Abandon Ship! Don Mattrick leaving Microsoft to join Zynga

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#101 LordOfPoms
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[QUOTE="LordOfPoms"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] In order for that to be logically followed the console companies would now have to be launching an entry product into the market. Thats not the case is it?blue_hazy_basic
You forget the challenge of balancing retail and digital with game consoles. PC doesn't have this issue because the market crumbled at retail. Remember, Steam sales didn't really start until a few years ago, but around mid-2000s big box retail and even GameStop stopped ordering retail copies of PC games. It was a considerably easier transition, but ultimately a good one and the market allowed it to happen without too much pushback. Consoles are not in this situation, not this gen -- maybe next. It's harder when you expect GameStop/Best Buy to be your No. 1 seller of the console and launch it into homes, then turn around and say "but we're going to take all our games out of your store and sell them through our store instead. Sorry." That's not going to fly with retailers, so there still needs to be a physical market and that market can't undercut your digital one because it's going to create all sorts of issues. Consoles can't just copy Steam because they need retail to begin with and retail won't want to sell their systems if they're going to get the short end of the stick in the long run. Furthermore, if one competitor doesn't go all digital, then you need to be at retail to compete with said non-digital competitior because you're going to lose there, hence why Sony forced Microsoft's hand. Steam/Valve doesn't need to worry about pleasing retailers or competition because there is none, unless you count Amazon Games/GOG, but even they're years behind Steam. The "be more like Steam" argument is shortsighted and frankly stupid because it assumes that you can just uproot your product entirely from the retail world without any repercussions and without threat of competition capitalizing on your decision.

Are you suggesting that the console companies need gamestop? Gamestop needs them not the other way round. There are plenty of other options, from Walmart to Target that will provide an alternative that don't rely on game sales. Or do ytou think the average console consumer is too stupid to not be able to find out things on their own?

If you think game companies don't want the support of the No. 1 game retailer in North America, then I have a bridge to sell you... GameStop is another conversation entirely and it should be telling that Microsoft's policy changes benefited one particular retailer and that one retailer has suddenly thrown a huge ad buy to broadcast the launch of Xbox One.

One doesn't need the other, they need eachother and if one system were not on sale at GameStop and the other was, I'd put some good money on the GS-supported system blowing the other out of the water. They're a force in the industry and writing them off  is pretty daft.

That's beyond the point of why Steam-like distribution isn't possible (yet) as a standard on consoles. Maybe next gen. Not this gen.

To your point, you're not wrong that consumers might migrate to another store but GameStop has an unbelievable amount of penetration in the market, so much so that they stole Best Buy's market share in gaming to the point that BB started doing used games and matching their midnight openings. That's impressive.

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#102 FoxbatAlpha
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HOLY SHIT, THIS IS FANTASTIC NEWS.

I'm fuking serious. I hope he was forced out.

heretrix
That's what I would gather from this. He was sat down in a room and quickly asked to leave.
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#103 lx_theo
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Well, things just got less entertaining :(

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#104 Heil68
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Someone had to pay for that abortion of a reveal and getting knocked the fvck out by Sony at E3..Good riddance.
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#105 jg4xchamp
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He did come off pretty douchey over the last few weeks, so good riddance. Hopefully the next rich white guy they put in place isn't just as bad.HadOne2Many

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#106 gago-gago
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MS should hire Ken Kutigari or however you spell his name.
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#107 Heil68
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people are already getting busy..lolz
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#108 legalize82
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this is whatwe call a sinking ship.
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#109 legalize82
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MS should hire Ken Kutigari or however you spell his name.gago-gago
bahahahaha u wish
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#110 TheRealBigRich
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Even if Xbox doesnt sell as much as ps4 but is profitable would it still be considered a sinking ship ?

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#111 heretrix
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people are already getting busy..lolz original.jpgHeil68
:lol:

I should make that my new sig.

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#112 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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people are already getting busy..lolz original.jpg Heil68
:lol:

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#113 superclocked
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]people are already getting busy..lolz original.jpg

:lol:
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#114 Heil68
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 hahahaha
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#115 LordOfPoms
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]people are already getting busy..lolz original.jpgsuperclocked
:lol:

Poor guy just wanted to watch some TV and snap Skype to 1/3 his screen. :P

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#116 shellcase86
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That's one step toward doing another 180, reverting to DRM, always-on. Skynet will be self-aware.

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#117 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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*looks at all the people helping Heil who can't put an image in a post properly*
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#118 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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original.jpghahahahaHeil68
Seriously is that hard? :? :P

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#119 navyguy21
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How is this a bad thing? If anything, its GOOD for MS. They should promote Phil Harrison I have no doubt that he is behind the push for all these new exclusives and IPs. Without him we wouldve been empty handed again.
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#120 LordOfPoms
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[QUOTE="navyguy21"]How is this a bad thing? If anything, its GOOD for MS. They should promote Phil Harrison I have no doubt that he is behind the push for all these new exclusives and IPs. Without him we wouldve been empty handed again.

Phil Harrison was the reason MS's policies were so muddled and unclear. His answers ;post-reveal alone caused about 100 articles on used games fees and always online check-ins. I'm not sure if he's the guy to put in the driver's seat -- he didn't seem to be on the same page as MS/Mattrick -- but I have no clue who behind him is better. Who knows maybe he is better. Exciting time for MS fans, I guess.
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#121 johny300
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LOL he made MS look bad before leaving.
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#122 whiskeystrike
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MS really been cleaning house lately. Good news for everyone. Sony needs solid competition and Nintendo ain't got it.

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#123 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]original.jpghahahahablue_hazy_basic

Seriously is that hard? :? :P

it usually works with [img] tags..:(
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#124 way2funny
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Remember when Steam had blocked out trading licenenses of games by firstly downgrading the ownership of your games to mere licenses? This was in direct violiation of new European laws that allowed the resale of digital content and licenses by court order. That's a scumbag move if I ever saw one. Steam is not a saviour of gaming just because they have 75% to 90% off of licenses from time to time. They first win the trust of gamers and consequently do anti-consumer moves like those, holding your games for ransom until you accept their UELA. On consoles, you can always play your game even if you do not accept an UELA on system level.DrTrafalgarLaw

Steam did that in response to a lawsuit, in order to survive its a necessity.

Stop with the excuses. It's a putrid scumbag move that deserves to have the "Saviour of Gaming" title rescinded.

For any piece of software, you don't own it, you've always just owned a license to use it. Software has been like this for years now. 

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#125 Heil68
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LOL he made MS look bad before leaving.johny300
Bad? He embarrassed them and they had to do their 2ns 180 and come crawling back saying" lol..we didnt really mean it gaiz!!11!!"
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#126 RR360DD
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people are already getting busy..lolz

original.jpgHeil68

:lol:

The terrible photoshop is funnier than the pic itself

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#127 superclocked
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[QUOTE="johny300"]LOL he made MS look bad before leaving.Heil68
Bad? He embarrassed them and they had to do their 2ns 180 and come crawling back saying" lol..we didnt really mean it gaiz!!11!!"

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#128 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Heil68"][QUOTE="johny300"]LOL he made MS look bad before leaving.superclocked
Bad? He embarrassed them and they had to do their 2ns 180 and come crawling back saying" lol..we didnt really mean it gaiz!!11!!"

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niiiiceeee....hahaha
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#129 TheDidact
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FOR THE LOVE OF GOD MS, BRING BACK J ALLARD OR PETER MOORE TO REPLACE HIM!!!!!!!!!! Or Frank O'Connor :cool:
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#130 Lionheart08
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Sounds like a forced resignation.

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#131 Douevenlift_bro
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]people are already getting busy..lolz original.jpgheretrix

:lol:

I should make that my new sig.

:lol:

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#132 BPoole96
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About time he left. Hopefully Larry "Douchebag" Hryb gets let go as well
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#133 k2theswiss
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he can take Steve with him too!
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#134 Heil68
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Sorry Don :twisted:
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#135 lhughey
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Its more than likely that Zynga offered him a $hitload of money. They would have to for him to leave M$ to go to Zynga. If I were him, I'd require they double my salary. He went from one of the most successful gaming companies to one on the rocks. They HAD to recruit him with promise of grandeur and gold.
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#136 gago-gago
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Looks like Microsoft are really listening to the gamers. It took years for Sony to release Kutagari but by then too much damage was done on the PS3 while MS are making sure the XO sails smoothly.
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#137 GONtheSKYLORD
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We knew this was coming. Word came down from the top.
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#138 legalize82
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its done

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#139 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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Sorry Don :twisted: Heil68
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#140 GONtheSKYLORD
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Looks like Microsoft are really listening to the gamers. It took years for Sony to release Kutagari but by then too much damage was done on the PS3 while MS are making sure the XO sails smoothly.gago-gago
lol what damage? PS3 passed 360 in sales brah!
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#141 GONtheSKYLORD
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Sorry Don :twisted: blue_hazy_basic

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Why is there no like button on the forums?
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#142 LordOfPoms
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its done

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Winner.
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#143 navyguy21
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[QUOTE="Heil68"]Sorry Don :twisted: blue_hazy_basic

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He shouldve did the official mic drop on stage at E3. That wouldve lived on forever :P

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#144 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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He shouldve did the official mic drop on stage at E3. That wouldve lived on forever :Pnavyguy21
Indeed, and people said MS were the ones that had missed opportunities at E3 :P
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#145 Ghost120x
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Sounds like he would make the move regardless. The Xbox one PR screw up is unrelated.
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#146 johny300
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Good bye don.

lol

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#147 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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Good bye don.

lol

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*tips hat* best one yet :lol:
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#148 bbkkristian
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M$ restricting used games again in 3, 2, 1...
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#149 pcgamingowns
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Finally some good news about the xbox brand.

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#150 LordOfPoms
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[QUOTE="johny300"]

Good bye don.

lol

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*tips hat* best one yet :lol:

I'm revoking the winner title and placing it on Johny300's post now.