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#1 Kadin_Kai
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Hello.

I am a British born Chinese. I studied, worked and lived in the UK for 37 years. My parents were born in HK. But I chose to move to China a few years ago, I spend half my time in HK and the other half in China.

Over the past decade, when I was still in the UK I travelled to HK and China frequently for work and pleasure.

I have read so many comments from people on Gamespot and others that hate the Chinese Government or Chinese people.

I want to know why? What is your experience of China?

If you do hate, can you provide a logical, reasonable and informed argument?

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#2 Nuck81
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I don't hate the Chinese

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#3 PurpleMan5000
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I haven't noticed anyone who hates China.

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#4 LeicaM6
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The mainland Chinese government is a totalitarian, repressive regime, and one of the world’s grossest human rights abusers.

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#5 comp_atkins
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dunno.

but this is pretty fucked up

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

china be like:

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#6 LJS9502_basic
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Nothing against the Chinese people but I don't like their government nor their human rights violations.

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#7 SUD123456
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The fact that you have to ask disturbs me, especially since you have lived your whole life outside of China.

Except for a minority of people, aka racists, people in the west don't hate China or Chinese people. They hate the repressive commie in name only...err...fascist regime in charge. Why? Should be obvious. Which takes me back to the first line of my response.

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#8 SOedipus
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This reads like a troll post. Someone with education and travel experiences is wondering why people criticize the Chinese government?

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#9  Edited By Sancho_Panzer
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The Chinese people are a cracking bunch - no problems there.

Slightly less enthusiastic about the mobile execution units and what have you, though.

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#10  Edited By watercrack445
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It's most of the ring-wing people that hates China. They are stuck in the Cold War mentality.

Whenever They hear the word China, they time travel back to the 1960s. It's a trigger word for them.

If you spent at least a month on the interent you would've known already by now.

But seriously, China is always doing something to ruin its reputation. Its latest mistake was the the NBA/Bliizard/Activison fiasco. Every 3 months they show themselves something to dislike about them. All of has to do with its government and CCP.

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#11  Edited By PurpleMan5000
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@kadin_kai: Why do you hate Hong Kong?

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#12 Horgen  Moderator  Online
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The Chinese government has issues with respecting different opinions.

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#13 R-Gamer
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They make a bunch of shitty ripoff products and don't play by the rules every other country abides by. I don't hate their people but their government is terrible.

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#14  Edited By Vaasman
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Agreeing with the consensus here. Nothing against any of the people of China or the Chinese culture, but their government is mass censoring, exploiting other nations, and committing regular human rights violations on a large scale.

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#15 Horgen  Moderator  Online
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@Vaasman said:

Agreeing with the consensus here. Nothing against any of the people of China or the Chinese culture, but their government is mass censoring, exploiting other nations, and committing regular human rights violations on a large scale.

Even their culture isn't high on privacy from what I hear.

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#16 comp_atkins
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also.. what is this nonsense?

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/87772/chinese-copycat-cars-how-do-they-get-away-with-it




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#17 Kadin_Kai
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@leicam6:

@leicam6 said:

The mainland Chinese government is a totalitarian, repressive regime, and one of the world’s grossest human rights abusers.

Practically everyone I speak to in the Mainland are supportive of their government. Why shouldn't they be? They have lifted millions out of poverty in the fastest possible time. We just need to compare, India, I believe I asked you this before. Would you choose to spend the rest of your life in Delhi or Shanghai? I would certainly choose Shanghai.

When I was in Yunnan a few months ago, I learned something amazing. The amount of positive discrimination for high school, university and local government positions. For schooling, the minorities get places with lower scores and its the same for local government positions. It annoys some of the Hans sure, but they seem to accept this. In fact this kind of positive discrimination happens in many areas of China, Tibet is another.

While I touch upon the subject of Tibet, you really need to read what some of the old books (British, French and German explorers) describing the situation, it was a feudal society and (from memory) eight families controlled the entire region plus the Dalia Lama, which was the most powerful. (I think you can do some reading on this topic), Tibet was no haven, no Shangri La. (from memory again), the laws were pretty much an eye for an eye.

The world's grossest human rights abusers? I think we touched upon this before. About the One Child policy. Sure it was cruel, it was not right, but at the same time, if it did not happen, China's population would not be 1.40 billion people, it would be around 4 billion. The entire country will become a failed state. It would be all-round poverty and chaos.

I believe, the US is the biggest abuser of human rights. I believe they have killed more people since September 11, 2001, and caused more deaths than any other nation. Do they not count?

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#18 Kadin_Kai
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@PurpleMan5000: I do not hate Hong Kong at all.

But, I do hate the protesters in Hong Kong, smashing up and burning down the city. Threatening, beating and spraying people in the face with black ink.

It is paradoxical, they claim to fight for freedom, for freedom of expression, freedom of speech, freedom to move around. They claim to help Hong Kong people. But yet, we, who live here cannot travel freely anymore, there are protests (right now), we cannot say we support the police, we will get beaten up.

I've said this before, but it is a paradox. They're destroying the economy, (HK is in recession right now) and this only hurt the everyday employees losing their jobs, failing to pay for rent.

If the protests persist, the technical recession will become a depression, less tax revenue will only lead to cuts in social services, hitting the poorest the hardest.

My stance against the protests is because I care about this city.

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#19 Kadin_Kai
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@comp_atkins: Better than Guantanamo Bay I think

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#20 Kadin_Kai
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@horgen:

@horgen said:

The Chinese government has issues with respecting different opinions.

Ah Horgen, you have still yet to provide me with any evidence about your claim that it is the Hong Kong Police that are rioting.

I think you need to be a bit more specific.

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#21 HEATHEN75
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The haircuts.

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#22 Kadin_Kai
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@Vaasman:

@Vaasman said:

Agreeing with the consensus here. Nothing against any of the people of China or the Chinese culture, but their government is mass censoring, exploiting other nations, and committing regular human rights violations on a large scale.

Yes, the Chinese government does indeed censor stuff. From my experience in China, sometimes the BBC / Guardian / Independent app works a few months, then it doesn't work. Then I go back to China, it's all working again...

From this perspective, I believe you are right. I think the Chinese government is overly sensitive to some things such as the Tiananmen Square incident. This generation should just apologise and say that it was wrong. I think the fact that they have not sent the army into Hong Kong (despite many here are calling for it) is evidence that they knew it was very badly handled.

All pornography is banned too.

I've talked about human rights issues above, check it out (The US is the biggest violator of human rights). But I will add, the Chinese government does not go and try to hurt the population, practically everything they do has some sort of logic and reason.

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#23 Kadin_Kai
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Keep the comments coming! I gotta go to bed.

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#24  Edited By jeezers
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I have no problem with the people its more with thier government. How they censor so much shit, they dont recognize privacy, social credit scores, also they dont recognize intellectual property, you can get a good price building something you patened over in china but dont be surprised when companies over there start building off brand versions of your design, workers rights are poor, the way thier factories treat workers are poor, pollution seems excessive, yes china will get americans a better price on manufacturing, but it comes at a price that is hidden, because we dont have to see it from over here.

Also suicide nets...

Arent they putting muslims in reeducation camps?

And another thing why are they so harsh on pot.

Personally i would not want to live there. **** all that i like americas constitution/bill of rights too much. Chinas government from the outside looks like the prototype for a big brother/orwelian nation, something i hope america never turns too, but even sometimes here, people worry me..

Edit: just read your comment above, i diddnt know porn was banned as well.. I did not know that lol no wonder they have so many people. I'm not surprised, what about strip clubs? They ban those too?

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#25 deactivated-5de67c4d9cb12
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The PRC's human rights abuses both historical and ongoing are extensive and well documented, I'd have thought someone like yourself being raised and educated outside the mainland would at least be partially aware of that.

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#26  Edited By mrbojangles25
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I don't hate China. Swear to god a lot of people are acting like victims just like the right in the US. Cut it out, it just makes you look like a pussy.

With that said, I just dislike some of their policies:

  • Their "social credit" act
  • Their China-Tibet conflict
  • The "re-education camps" they force millions of Muslims into
  • One-Child policy, then how they undid it.
  • Pro-state Propaganda in general

I basically consider China as "North Korea-lite", more or less. The people are fed (not well), the people are free (not really), and the state is oppressive.

Yeah you go to the big cities and the tourist places and you come back and go "man I was so wrong about China, it's awesome" but then you go to the country, the villages, and read about the coal miners the farmers, see the brainwashing, etc.

*and please let's not turn this into any sort of "what about" argument. I know my own country has done some terrible things in the past and even does some nasty stuff now (immigrant detention centers), but we aren't doing it on a Chinese scale.

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#27 PurpleMan5000
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I'm not at all a fan of the current US government. The difference between the US and China is that I can go on the internet and criticize my government without fear of any sort of repercussion. I can't say that I blame the people of Hong Kong for protesting. What else can they do? Immigration isn't very easy.

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@kadin_kai said:

@horgen:

@horgen said:

The Chinese government has issues with respecting different opinions.

Ah Horgen, you have still yet to provide me with any evidence about your claim that it is the Hong Kong Police that are rioting.

I think you need to be a bit more specific.

Oh that.

Anyhow the Chinese government isn't really respecting a different culture. I guess this is all fake news, right?

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#29  Edited By KungfuKitten
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I don't hate China, but I don't understand China. In the west we tend to think that China doesn't care at all about its people. I don't think that's how Chinese view it. From a distance, they seem to think about their people and their problems in a very scientific or mathematical manner.

What is the solution to overpopulation? Tell people they are to stop making more than one child. What is the solution to a shortage of organs? Kill the lesser people in penal camps to farm the organs for the better people outside of them. How do you solve crime? You prevent it by placing people into brainwashing camps where they sing songs about the pride of China and are forced to smile through their torture until their thoughts are corrected. Who needs a defence in court of law? If you are prosecuted, you must be guilty of something. How do you solve employees throwing themselves off their factory roof? You tell your employees to make no-suicide pledges and span nets around the factory so they can't do it as easily. All these things make sense in some way, but none of them would satisfy the people of the west.

All of the solutions that we hear of lack empathy. A complete disregard for someone's individuality. It makes us wonder: Does China ever think about whether something is OK to do? What if you were born as someone else? It's always a group based solution, either by applying a very practical and cold solution, or by social engineering. Often on an impressive scale and with a swiftness that I think is necessary for such a large nation. But never by asking. It's never based on people's desires aside from creating a distance to their fears. It's never about improving their lives in a manner that goes beyond effectiveness. It's always in service of keeping the whole of China functioning.

I think part of that is because China is just so big. But it's definitely a paradigm shift. One that seems so chilling and cold and without hope (what dreams are being chased with this way of thinking other than keeping China as a whole functioning?) that I do have trouble accepting it. Is China chasing a Paradise on Earth? I think everyone in this world is both chasing an ideal and running from our biggest fears at all times. I think those are the underlying forces behind all of our actions and as we dominate our fears our dreams shine through. Yet to me it almost seems like China is stuck in 'survival mode.' Like they are always combating fears. Like it has to step all over people's desires, just to keep control and keep functioning, and doesn't have time to consider what makes people happy. However, that could be because in China there are so many people. And what I consider to be my dreams may not be the dreams of someone born in China. Maybe they think that with a happy government there will somehow be happy people.

It's really interesting how different societies seem to weigh what is valuable in life. For instance, the value of authority. In my country, authority is almost meaningless except a bit in law and business. You can have authority but it mostly means you work for us now. For instance our police used to be called our servants. It's not like in the USA where authority means you should listen to that person without asking many questions, but it's OK to still have an opinion as long as you are extremely careful voicing it. And in China, it's almost like it's not even OK to have an opinion about authority.

So my biggest question would be: Does China dream (or does it only have time to move away from fears)? What is the world that China dreams of (if it can)? Does it have any drive to make the world a nicer place, or will it always place this much emphasis on maintaining control?

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#30 sonicare
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Why do mainlanders look down on the taiwanese people so much? Why does china feel the need to subvert and conquer the indigenous people of taiwan?

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#31 br0kenrabbit
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I can admire how the Chinese can keep their political efforts focused, but I suppose that's the blessing of a one-party system. On the other hand, that pretty much requires quelling any opposing political opinions, especially criticism.

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#32 one_plum
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Censorship and lack of freedom of expression are my main complaints about the Chinese government. Their cultural assimilation appears aggressive too. But China also gets a bad rep because of the media; so I don't believe they are always as bad as the media make them out to be.

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#33 SUD123456
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@kadin_kai said:

@leicam6:

@leicam6 said:

The mainland Chinese government is a totalitarian, repressive regime, and one of the world’s grossest human rights abusers.

Practically everyone I speak to in the Mainland are supportive of their government. Why shouldn't they be? They have lifted millions out of poverty in the fastest possible time.

Thought I would address this one simple point.

The exact same thing could be said about Nazi Germany in the period between the fall of the Weimar Republic and the start of WWII.

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#34 THUMPTABLE
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@LJS9502_basic said:

Nothing against the Chinese people but I don't like their government nor their human rights violations.

10 4 this.

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#35  Edited By sakaiXx
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Just wondering, can you search for Pewdiepie on your local chinese youtube without vpn? The guy said he is banned from China and all his videos is not watchable anymore. Link

Also, are those support for China genuine? Because from link here, dissidents in China who voiced against central government rule got rounded up and captured. And yes foreigner and business entity can use VPN but what about locals? You might be woke enough but what about other people who feeds on news provided by the central Chinese government?

Us in the free world can voice our opinions, this why political page on gamespot is quite active where we can voice opinions on current issues regarding our governments. I do doubt you guys can do this. You guys dont even know what Winnie the Pooh looks like.

Also reports regarding current human rights crisis in minority area within china is really chilling. Over a million sent to "reeducation" camps and we have reports with international condemnation regarding organ harvesting targetted towards minorities. That is crazy dude.

Personally on China, its an authoritarian government. Its citizen accepts the way government runs things because currently it provides growth and stability.

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Not sure why everyone here says "nothing against the people/culture", when the people are using said culture to drive multiple endangered species into extinction just to make their bullshit limp-dick medicine.

And why not blame the people for their own government? After all, they are the only ones who can change it but are doing jack shit about it.

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#37 jeezers
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@rmpumper: you cant force them to stand up to authority and try a revolution, also many of these people have not been outside of China, its hard to wish you had what you dont know about.

This could be said for the people of NK as well.

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#38  Edited By phbz  Online
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I have nothing against the Chinese. When people are born into a system/culture it's difficult for them to have a clear perspective. Much like when Americans praise the US as a beacon to the world, yet they are responsible for millions of deaths, have (one of ?) the highest incarceration rates, torture people, separate migrant families, and support oppressive governments if there's profit in that.

But the Chinese government absolutely sucks. It's totalitarian, oppressive, currupt and racist. Yes they did make a significant economical progress, but that's not everything. They also completely destroyed China before rebuilding it, so there's that.

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#39  Edited By rmpumper  Online
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@jeezers said:

@rmpumper: you cant force them to stand up to authority and try a revolution, also many of these people have not been outside of China, its hard to wish you had what you dont know about.

This could be said for the people of NK as well.

And yet the Chinese immigrants in other countries are hardcore protectors of their government.

Plus, just look at some of Kadin_Kai posts - he's in love with the Communist party, but has the access to all the information anyone would ever need.

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#40 Litchie
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Don't have anything against the chinese, and I don't hate China. Their government seems insane though.

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#41  Edited By joebones5000
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The women are hot. How could anyone not love "Chiner"?

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#42  Edited By LeonFreeman
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I like China and I love their products, particularly all the great handheld gaming devices and mods they do. I love companies like Brook, who make controller adapters, as well as 8Bitdo, who makes fantastic controllers like the ones for the Switch. I’m also an avid AliExpress buyer. And I own a Huaweu phone (Mare 20 Pro) and I’m American.

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#43 Kadin_Kai
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@horgen: There are 56 ethnic groups in China. Over 92% are the Han Chinese.

As I have said above, you probably do not believe me, I suggest you do some research about positive discrimination in China. How University placements require lower scores for ethnic minorities and positions are reserved for ethnic minorities in Government positions.

Horgen, did you know this? Did you do any research or attended any of these events?

@horgen said:

The Chinese government has issues with respecting different opinions.

@horgen said:
@Vaasman said:

Agreeing with the consensus here. Nothing against any of the people of China or the Chinese culture, but their government is mass censoring, exploiting other nations, and committing regular human rights violations on a large scale.

Even their culture isn't high on privacy from what I hear.

The that you said, "Their Culture," is stereotypical. Fifty-six ethnic groups and you generalise all 56 with 5,000 years of history into, "their culture." Can you see the problem here?

You're starting to sound like the family in American History X.

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@sonicare: Legally, Taiwan is a part of China. If you google Taiwan passport, what does it say on the front-cover? The Republic of China! It is recognised by almost every country in the World, that Taiwan is part of China.

I cannot say whether Chinese Mainland people look down on those in Taiwan. The indigenous people of Taiwan are from Mainland China.

The reality is people from Mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong & Macau all travel around and many of us have families in most if not all the regions.

@sonicare said:

Why do mainlanders look down on the taiwanese people so much? Why does china feel the need to subvert and conquer the indigenous people of taiwan?

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#45 comp_atkins
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@comp_atkins: Better than Guantanamo Bay I think

ah. so as long as another country does shitty stuff, it's ok the china does shitty stuff?

is that the standard we hold our governments to these days?

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#46 Kadin_Kai
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@SUD123456:

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@kadin_kai said:

@leicam6:

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The mainland Chinese government is a totalitarian, repressive regime, and one of the world’s grossest human rights abusers.

Practically everyone I speak to in the Mainland are supportive of their government. Why shouldn't they be? They have lifted millions out of poverty in the fastest possible time.

Thought I would address this one simple point.

The exact same thing could be said about Nazi Germany in the period between the fall of the Weimar Republic and the start of WWII.

Here is the problem with your comment, it is not comparable. Most people in the UK supported the Tory government in the last three UK elections.

My point is the Chinese people approve of their government.

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@kadin_kai said:

My point is the Chinese people approve of their government.

How the **** would you know that about a country with no free elections, no independent polling, and essentially state controlled access to information?

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#48 deactivated-5de67c4d9cb12
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I can't imagine the 50 Cent Army would bother with Gamespot. So I'm going to assume OP is just delusional.

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#49 Kadin_Kai
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@r-gamer: They don't play by the rules? Well, you were not specific, so allow me to answer some common ones.

CURRENCY MANIPULATION

China sets its own currency exchange rate and allows it to trade at a narrow range. Recently it devalued its currency. The US and the Federal Reserve do not do this, along with other countries with Independent Cental Banks and freely floating currencies.

But consider what the Fed does. It increases and decreases interest rates and it prints money and it can also reduces the money supply. China has all these tools plus directly setting the exchange rate against the USD.

When the Fed raises rates, the USD strengthens (investors and speculators buy the USD), when the Fed cuts rates the USD weakens (investors sell it for other currencies) - simple supply and demand. When the Fed engages in Monetary easing (Obama era QE1, QE2 and later QE infinity) this weakened the USD.

In essence, all central banks aim to influence the strength and weakness of its currency to suit and support its economy. Why is China considered a currency manipulator is really nonsensical, they just have an extra tool. Besides, there were US Central Banks in the US before the mighty FED! Some were not independent.

STATE SPONSORED COMPANIES

This happens for some of the massive Chinese companies, Huawei is not one of them. China Mobile, China Unicom and many others are state-sponsored. But did Mr Obama not bailout a few US companies? Do US firms not get grants and tax breaks? Isn't Amazon a massive recipient of US tax breaks? Doesn't the EU provide R&D grants to thousands of companies? Yes, they do!

If Labour in the UK wins the election, Jeremy Corbyn plans to re-nationalise the Railway companies. Fix energy prices too.

COPYCATS

Yes, this has happened, it is unfortunate and I do not think it is right. If you look back at history, the same accusations were made about Japan when their economy shot up during the 70s and 80s.

I think it is wrong. However, I am seeing changes in China. If you ever visit the Zhuhai, go to Gongbei's Underground shopping centre, I would say around 15% of the stores are selling knock offs!

I was in this shopping centre back in June/July and the knock off stores were all shut as the police were hunting them down. I will be back in the area in late Nov/early Dec, I pop in there for coffees, if I see a crackdown, I'll take some photos.

But increasingly I am seeing some more companies breaking out of this mould. I think Xiaomi is one of them, BYD and Geely (you probably haven't heard of them) are big car manufacturers, they are making some original designs.

Industrial Espionage

I think this happens everywhere.

Give me more specifics and lets talk!

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@kadin_kai: This is actually false. The rest of the world definitely does not recognize Taiwan as part of the People’s Republic China. Is it perhaps part of what we historically consider “China”, the land mass? Sure. But these are two different things. When you say “part of China” you tend to mean “under the jurisdiction of the government of the People’s Republic of China”, which Taiwan demonstrably is not.

Their passports only say Republic Of China because that is Taiwan’s official name. Also, the fact that they even have their own passport should tell you it’s not part of mainland China. Compare this to a Hong Kong passport which is only given out if someone is a citizen of the mainland too.

The world’s policy on Taiwan with regards to China is a policy of strategic ambiguity. The US for example only “acknowledges” the One-China Policy rather than recognizing it. Taiwan since the KMT fled to the island is a de facto sovereign, independent state. Everyone knows this hence why they operate de facto embassies on the island, including the US. This is a fact.