NFL now makes it mandatory for players to stand during the National Anthem

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#251  Edited By N30F3N1X
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@LJS9502_basic said:
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The NFL was losing viewers way before this happened. It's been in decline. Much of that is instant scores for those that gamble or play fantasy league. You don't need to keep an eye on the games anymore. And the length of most sporting events is hurting them.

The world was heating up before industrialization too, is anthropocentric climate change fake?

Straw mans and whataboutism..........stay on topic.

I was on topic dumbass. It's called analogy. If anything you're the one making a strawman by citing events that happened before and have no bearing on the topic.

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#252 Mercenary848
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6eMiIgaS94

Stephen A Smith made a really good point about trumps animosity against the nfl.

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#253 LJS9502_basic
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@N30F3N1X said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Straw mans and whataboutism..........stay on topic.

I was on topic dumbass. It's called analogy. If anything you're the one making a strawman by citing events that happened before and have no bearing on the topic.

You know you lost when you resort to insults. And no.......you weren't on topic. Sucks you can't see that. Maybe next time.

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#254  Edited By Nick3306
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NFL is stupid. This will just make them look like white supremacists to a lot of people when the people kneeling were kneeling because of injustices they saw in America. It may not be real to you but to them it's very real, and you need to respect that.

Why ya gotta throw egg at the protesters you disagree with? That's just not very American and hella ironic considering the flag represents those freedoms. I thought the whole kneeling thing was stupid but I wouldn't do this to a fellow American.

Nobody cares about some random dude on the interwebz theorizing about NFL owners being white supremacists.

NFL however does care about the immense rating losses they had since this stupid ass debacle began.

This will make it worse, much worse. The main thing that is different in the NFL opposed to other major sports leagues is that NFLPA and the owners have a huge disconnect that has only been growing (key example is the rule to stand in the NBA, players don't protest because the NBA actively supports them in other forms of protest and genuinely listens to them). The players feel disrespected by the league (for a big list of reasons, not just protesting)and that is why the NFL will not get away with this like they hope they will. The NFL did this without reaching out to the NFLPA to make a deal. That alone is another poor decision in a history of poor decisions for the NFL owners when it comes to protecting their league.

Just wait until the next bargaining agreement, this will come back to bite them, hard. This is also ignoring the fact that this will probably increase protests, a handful of owners have already come out and said they will pay all fines put onto their players from the league. Basically this was a panic move by the league because they didn't know what else to do and refused to even listen to their players. Now with owners willing to pay fines of protesting players the league will look even weaker as their rules will not be taken seriously.

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#255  Edited By N30F3N1X
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@N30F3N1X said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Straw mans and whataboutism..........stay on topic.

I was on topic dumbass. It's called analogy. If anything you're the one making a strawman by citing events that happened before and have no bearing on the topic.

You know you lost when you resort to insults. And no.......you weren't on topic. Sucks you can't see that. Maybe next time.

No, I know you lost when you couldn't do reading comprehension properly.

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#256  Edited By N30F3N1X
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This will make it worse, much worse. The main thing that is different in the NFL opposed to other major sports leagues is that NFLPA and the owners have a huge disconnect that has only been growing (key example is the rule to stand in the NBA, players don't protest because the NBA actively supports them in other forms of protest and genuinely listens to them). The players feel disrespected by the league (for a big list of reasons, not just protesting)and that is why the NFL will not get away with this like they hope they will. The NFL did this without reaching out to the NFLPA to make a deal. That alone is another poor decision in a history of poor decisions for the NFL owners when it comes to protecting their league.

Just wait until the next bargaining agreement, this will come back to bite them, hard. This is also ignoring the fact that this will probably increase protests, a handful of owners have already come out and said they will pay all fines put onto their players from the league. Basically this was a panic move by the league because they didn't know what else to do and refused to even listen to their players. Now with owners willing to pay fines of protesting players the league will look even weaker as their rules will not be taken seriously.

Not really.

Nobody cares about what players think. The reason players are named players and not thinkers is because they aren't paid to think. The NBA pretends they do, but they don't. Players are expendable, viewership and brand trust built over years are not.

It may absolutely bite them back in the arse considering the damage is already done and this move may not recover the losses the NFL has taken since this bs protest begun while it could attract more negative coverage, but still, had they done this the week after their players started we wouldn't be talking about this in the first place.

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#257 LJS9502_basic
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@N30F3N1X said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@N30F3N1X said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Straw mans and whataboutism..........stay on topic.

I was on topic dumbass. It's called analogy. If anything you're the one making a strawman by citing events that happened before and have no bearing on the topic.

You know you lost when you resort to insults. And no.......you weren't on topic. Sucks you can't see that. Maybe next time.

No, I know you lost when you couldn't do reading comprehension properly.

At least you're admitting defeat.

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#258 Nick3306
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@N30F3N1X said:
@Nick3306 said:
This will make it worse, much worse. The main thing that is different in the NFL opposed to other major sports leagues is that NFLPA and the owners have a huge disconnect that has only been growing (key example is the rule to stand in the NBA, players don't protest because the NBA actively supports them in other forms of protest and genuinely listens to them). The players feel disrespected by the league (for a big list of reasons, not just protesting)and that is why the NFL will not get away with this like they hope they will. The NFL did this without reaching out to the NFLPA to make a deal. That alone is another poor decision in a history of poor decisions for the NFL owners when it comes to protecting their league.

Just wait until the next bargaining agreement, this will come back to bite them, hard. This is also ignoring the fact that this will probably increase protests, a handful of owners have already come out and said they will pay all fines put onto their players from the league. Basically this was a panic move by the league because they didn't know what else to do and refused to even listen to their players. Now with owners willing to pay fines of protesting players the league will look even weaker as their rules will not be taken seriously.

Not really.

Nobody cares about what players think. The reason players are named players and not thinkers is because they aren't paid to think. The NBA pretends they do, but they don't. Players are expendable, viewership and brand trust built over years are not.

It may absolutely bite them back in the arse considering the damage is already done and this move may not recover the losses the NFL has taken since this bs protest begun while it could attract more negative coverage, but still, had they done this the week after their players started we wouldn't be talking about this in the first place.

Until a lockout happens. Ask the NHL how that went for their sport, Ill give you a hint, not well. Players are not expendable, people watch to see the players, I'm not even sure why you tried this argument.

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#259 N30F3N1X
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Until a lockout happens. Ask the NHL how that went for their sport, Ill give you a hint, not well. Players are not expendable, people watch to see the players, I'm not even sure why you tried this argument.

A lockout didn't happen. "Until x happens" is not an argument since not all wars turn nuclear. Random appeals to consequences are a big no-no in general. Which is even funnier because you're totally wrong, in the long run NHL fans weren't affected by that lockout. Attendance for the 2012-2013 NHL season actually went up compared to the previous season, the only money loss for the NHL came from literally not being able to sell their product, not from people losing interest in it.

Besides you obviously understand very little of how markets work if you think that any of these leagues care about any of the players any further than how much money the players can make for them, or if you think the players legitimately care about anything they say they care about but do nothing about other than some random inconsequential gesture to follow up their yapping. Everything is a marketing scheme until you put your money into it.

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#260  Edited By KungfuKitten
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If you can't earn the respect, then force them to show compliance instead of respect.

This almost happened in my country when it came to judges. Doesn't work. The people who make these decisions are in the wrong positions.

Think for 2 seconds about what this actually means. Before this, people could show a form of respect or disrespect. Most people show a form of respect and man, that's nice. Now nobody can show a form of respect. All they can do is comply to the rules or get fined. Congratulations you just made it worse.

I'm telling you: We need more philosophers to get involved in rule drafting because there's a lot of stupid rules people make up that backfire.