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#51  Edited By deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@BlackShirt20: You have a biased right wing source, I gave actual numbers.

FYI, the actual numbers discredit your entire link.

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#52 MirkoS77
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No, I stand to profit off of American stupidity, something that’s not in short supply in the era of Trump. $100. Don’t let me down Trumpers!

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#53  Edited By deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@MirkoS77: I’ll pay double If Biden wins.

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#54 Eoten
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@thegreatchomp said:

@BlackShirt20: You have a biased right wing source, I gave actual numbers. Get lost.

FYI, the actual numbers discredit your entire bs link.

Good god you get pissy and hostile when people disagree with you. You may want to get that checked out.

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#55 BlackShirt20
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@thegreatchomp: https://www.wsj.com/articles/economists-credit-trump-as-tailwind-for-u-s-growth-hiring-and-stocks-1515682893

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/12/646708799/fact-check-who-gets-credit-for-the-booming-u-s-economy

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/07/how-trump-has-set-economic-growth-on-fire.html

You really are bad at this. Feels good man. Feels really good. 4 more glorious years.

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#57 deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@BlackShirt20: Dude, look at the numbers. They don’t back that up.

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#58 deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@girlusocrazy: Wow, I didn’t notice the date. Look at my numbers, the economy did better under Obama, even the stock market rose more. He just refuses to deal with reality.

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#59 BlackShirt20
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@thegreatchomp: My advice. Stop putting your head up face news ass and do your own research. They lie. A lot.

Media still claims Trump never condemned white supremacist at Charlottesville. Fact checker still claim Trump is responsible for child separation and cages at the border. He isn’t. Biden and Obama did and it was their bill to separate the families. Trump just upheld the law you guy put in effect.

So again, you don’t have to like it. But economists credit Trump. Not Obama. Remember Obama trying to mock Trump on job growth? What magic wand does Trump have? Yeah, Obama is a idiot.

Trust me junior. The American people haven’t forgotten the worlds greatest economy in history and lowest unemployment rates ever. Biden’s 4 trillion tax increase isn’t gonna help him either.

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#60  Edited By deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@BlackShirt20: You sure get mad when you lose. Lol. You posted outdated links, I gave you actual numbers covering all of Obama’s time and 3 years of Trump. Numbers don’t lie, but people do.

And you are bringing in white supremacy and immigration into an unrelated argument? And I didn’t post opinions, just actual numbers.

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#61 BlackShirt20
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@thegreatchomp: How are those outdated? They were at the beginning of our record breaking economic growth lol. Which lasted until we closed the country. Which proves my point. The American people haven’t forgotten who is responsible for the greatest economy in history.

I am sure you prefer solar energy to nuclear energy, knowing solar energy is poop.

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#62 deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@BlackShirt20: Those are from 2 years ago..... And what record breaking growth? Read the numbers, why are you refusing to and just continue to spout right wing talking points?

Greatest economy in history? What are you on?

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/gdp-growth-rate

Again actual numbers.

Since you keep deflecting and bringing in unrelated statements, we are done here. I’ve proved you wrong but since you refuse to listen. Good day.

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#63 BlackShirt20
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@thegreatchomp: I have already debunked your claim. You said Obama was responsible. No creditable economic analyst agrees with you. Sorry.

Can’t wait to see you screaming in the streets nov 4th.

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#64 LJS9502_basic
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@BlackShirt20 said:

@thegreatchomp: I have already debunked your claim. You said Obama was responsible. No creditable economic analyst agrees with you. Sorry.

Can’t wait to see you screaming in the streets nov 4th.

Stop getting your information from the far right talking sites.

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#65 BlackShirt20
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@LJS9502_basic: Yeah, The wall street journal NPR and CNBC are far right lol.

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#66  Edited By deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@BlackShirt20: lol. Keep ignoring the numbers you can’t disprove. I’ve completely obliterated you here. The numbers speak for themselves.

Some of the years our gdp grew faster.

1965

1966

1973

1977

1978

1984

1989

Pick a new fight.

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#68  Edited By Zaryia
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@BlackShirt20 said:

@thegreatchomp: It definitely prove me wrong. No economist credit Obama for the economy at its highest.

This wasn't your claim.

This is what you said first going by time stamps:

@BlackShirt20 said:

Yep. He had 8 years to fix it and didn’t.

@BlackShirt20 said:

As for your 4th point...... Barrack and Joe left office with a crippled economy.

These things are objectively incorrect.

You have now moved the goal post to "But Trump had a better economy (keyword had) before his current recession". That was not your original claims as the above quotes show.

Also Democrat economies are better than Republican ones over the last several decades. You have not refuted that fact yet either. This includes Obama vs Trump, as 2020 exists and does decimate Trump's average.

P.S. You still have not refuted the fact most domestic terror is by far right groups.

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#69  Edited By Zaryia
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@BlackShirt20 said:

No creditable economic analyst agrees with you.

Hey, since you like economic analysts....do you agree with one of the best in the industry?

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#70 MirkoS77
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@thegreatchomp: well I’d take you up on that if I knew ya.

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#71 deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@MirkoS77: I could cash app it to you.

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#72 MirkoS77
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@thegreatchomp: sorry man it’s nothing personal. Out of general principle I don’t make large bets online with those I don’t know, especially on such a contentious issue. I honor my word, but trust is something I don’t easily grant in such anonymity.

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#73 deactivated-5fab1400b2fcc
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@MirkoS77: That’s ok, I wasn’t going to pay you anyway. ;)

(I wasn’t being entirely serious)

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#74 BlackShirt20
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@zaryia: lol they did the same shit in the last election. We know how the economy turned out then don’t we?

You can cry all you want. But joe had 50 years to fix America. Trump did it in 2.

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#75 LJS9502_basic
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@BlackShirt20 said:

@zaryia: lol they did the same shit in the last election. We know how the economy turned out then don’t we?

You can cry all you want. But joe had 50 years to fix America. Trump did it in 2.

The country is in shambles. High unemployment, a pandemic raging, civil unrest and you call it fixed? No one could seriously look at this country and think it's in better shape now than 4 years ago. No one.

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@MirkoS77 said:

No, I stand to profit off of American stupidity, something that’s not in short supply in the era of Trump. $100. Don’t let me down Trumpers!

Losing that $100 would be worth it. I hope for both of us you're out the money!

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#77 super600  Moderator
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So I am curious OP. What will happen if Biden wins by a semi decent margin or in a landslide? Anyway in the remote chance trump wins I do expect things to be chaotic for awhile and things to get worse in the next four years in the US

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#78  Edited By Zaryia
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@BlackShirt20 said:

@zaryia: lol they did the same shit in the last election. We know how the economy turned out then don’t we?

Trump did it in 2.

What the HELL are you talking about. The economy is a disaster right now...

Good lord this is a cult.

Also you did not refute my data. It's all true.

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#79 JimB
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@zaryia said:
@BlackShirt20 said:

When Trump wins. How many of you are gonna riot in the streets and set fire to buildings because you lost again?

Will you be joining the BLM and antifa terrorist to continue to rack up hundreds of millions in damages that tax payers have to cover while you guys go back into your parents basemen?

1. Most domestic terror is from the far right.

2. Most incels are are far right.

3. Blue States fund socialist leech Red States.

I hope Biden wins. He is better for the economy and listens to scientists.

I don't see any one from the right destroying cities that is the left. It is also the left planning violence if Joe Biden loses. If the Blue states are funding the red states why are the people living in blue states leaving in droves to go to a red state. Joe Biden has no idea about the economy other than what he can get for his family by selling his office. One last piece of advice be careful what you wish for you just might get it.

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#80 tenaka2
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@JimB said:

I don't see any one from the right destroying cities that is the left. It is also the left planning violence if Joe Biden loses. If the Blue states are funding the red states why are the people living in blue states leaving in droves to go to a red state. Joe Biden has no idea about the economy other than what he can get for his family by selling his office. One last piece of advice be careful what you wish for you just might get it.

None of this is true, why do right wingers feel the need to make stuff up?

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#81 BlackShirt20
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@zaryia: Due to a pandemic. We will have a record recovery with Trump. Has already added 11 million jobs back.

Remember when crazy Joe said Abraham Lincoln was one of the most racist presidents in history? LOL Joe is a moron.

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#82 tenaka2
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@BlackShirt20 said:

We will have a record recovery with Trump.

No, no you won't.

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#83 BlackShirt20
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@tenaka2: We will find out. Dude is gonna win.

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#84 tenaka2
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@tenaka2: We will find out. Dude is gonna win.

I hope not for the sake of america but going by your name there is no surprise why you worship trump.

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#85 Sevenizz
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@tenaka2: ‘None of this is true, why do right wingers feel the need to make stuff up?’

Oh? What city or cities has the right rioted in lately? What red state has mass exodus comparable to California? What has Biden ever done to improve the economy?

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#86 LJS9502_basic
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@JimB said:

I don't see any one from the right destroying cities that is the left. It is also the left planning violence if Joe Biden loses. If the Blue states are funding the red states why are the people living in blue states leaving in droves to go to a red state. Joe Biden has no idea about the economy other than what he can get for his family by selling his office. One last piece of advice be careful what you wish for you just might get it.

You don't? They've been arresting right wing agitators for starting problems during the protests for some time now.

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#87 tenaka2
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@Sevenizz said:

@tenaka2: ‘None of this is true, why do right wingers feel the need to make stuff up?’

Oh? What city or cities has the right rioted in lately? What red state has mass exodus comparable to California? What has Biden ever done to improve the economy?

Oh so its not destroyed cities anymore now its just rioting? What evidence do you have of this mass exodus?

Can you even see Cali from Canada?

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#88 Sevenizz
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@tenaka2: Yea, the world can. Your point? I have relatives and friends in Los Angeles and they say it’s a mess. High taxes, high regulations, high homelessness, high rent, and poor services. Yea that’s anecdotal - but so was your question.

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#89 Zaryia
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@BlackShirt20 said:

@zaryia: Due to a pandemic. We will have a record recovery with Trump. Has already added 11 million jobs back.

Trump's current economy is shit. It's projected Biden's will be better for either candidate in 2021+. Democrat Presidents have better economies on average.

@BlackShirt20 said:

Remember when crazy Joe said Abraham Lincoln was one of the most racist presidents in history? LOL Joe is a moron.

It's clear what he was talking about.

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#90 tenaka2
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@Sevenizz said:

@tenaka2: Yea, the world can. Your point? I have relatives and friends in Los Angeles and they say it’s a mess. High taxes, high regulations, high homelessness, high rent, and poor services. Yea that’s anecdotal - but so was your question.

so no proof and anecdotal evidence... your comments are worthless.

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#91  Edited By Zaryia
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@JimB said:
@zaryia said:
@BlackShirt20 said:

1. Most domestic terror is from the far right.

2. Most incels are are far right.

3. Blue States fund socialist leech Red States.

I hope Biden wins. He is better for the economy and listens to scientists.

I don't see any one from the right destroying cities that is the left.

Suspected Boogaloo Bois member arrested and charged with rioting

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/23/us/boogaloo-bois-arrest/index.html

White supremacists remain deadliest US terror threat, Homeland Security report says

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/politics/white-supremacists-anarchists-dhs-homeland-threat-assessment/index.html

Wray: Racially motivated violent extremism makes up most of FBI's domestic terrorism cases

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/516888-wray-says-racially-motivated-violent-extremism-makes-up-most-of-fbis

@JimB said:

If the Blue states are funding the red states why are the people living in blue states leaving in droves to go to a red state.

This is a red-herring. The two can be true, and it has a lot to do with taxes. Please don't say "IF" to an established fact. Blue States fund leecher Red states.

Mind you the states they are leaving to are becoming Purple, and better.

@JimB said:

Joe Biden has no idea about the economy other than what he can get for his family by selling his office.

Economists disagree with your opinion. As do detailed analytics.

@JimB said:

One last piece of advice be careful what you wish for you just might get it.

For the sake of the country I hope I do get that wish. Facts > Opinions.

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#92 Sevenizz
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@tenaka2: ‘Yea that’s anecdotal - but so was your question.‘

Reading comprehension is hard - I know.

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#93 tenaka2
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@Sevenizz said:

@tenaka2: ‘Yea that’s anecdotal - but so was your question.‘

Reading comprehension is hard - I know.

evidence is anecdotal questions are not, looks like the educational system in canada is lacking.

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@zaryia: Liberal projections yes. Trump economy reached record highs. Joe and Obama cannot say that. Again, a majority of economists credit Trump for record high economy.

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#95 tenaka2
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@BlackShirt20 said:

@zaryia: Liberal projections yes. Trump economy reached record highs. Joe and Obama cannot say that. Again, a majority of economists credit Trump for record high economy.

Don't make stuff up, the US economy is in the toilet thanks to trump, along with record unemployment.

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@BlackShirt20 said:

@thegreatchomp: https://www.wsj.com/articles/economists-credit-trump-as-tailwind-for-u-s-growth-hiring-and-stocks-1515682893

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/12/646708799/fact-check-who-gets-credit-for-the-booming-u-s-economy

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/07/how-trump-has-set-economic-growth-on-fire.html

You really are bad at this. Feels good man. Feels really good. 4 more glorious years.

I have some legit questions for you.

Do you actually read your own links and do you actually understand what you are reading? I imagine 90%+ of people don't really understand the basics on economics. I ask the question because none of those links are really saying what you think they are saying based upon your other comments in this thread.

Second, why do you think that Presidents have much material effect on the economy in the first place?

Third, to the degree that Presidents' actions/policies do have an effect, which exact policies do you give Trump credit for?

Fourth, and assuming your answer to #3 includes his tax cut, could you explain why you think a tax cut in a very heated economy is a good policy choice?

Fifth, if you think his tax cut was wise, can you explain what you think happens when the inevitable downturn occurs and what the best policy choice would be then?

Also, in the interest of full disclosure I do not blame Trump for the economic meltdown resultant from Covid. I do blame him for the severity of casualties and for the failure to respond nationally on both the health side and on the economic response side. In short, he didn't create the problems but his response blows.

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@HoolaHoopMan: so do I.

It’s either going to be the worst money I’ve ever made, or the best money I’ve ever spent. Unfortunately I don’t think I will be losing this bet. I just have a feeling that Trump will take it.

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We need a new party. I'm disappointed in both the left and the right. Total shitheads. Seriously.

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@sonicare: I can't believe you're STILL engaging in both sidesism.

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#100  Edited By BlackShirt20
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@zaryia: Let me guess. He was taken out of context? How many times does this guy need context to back up his claims?

Was he taken out of context when he said blacks were super predators? Was he taken out of context when he said blacks were thugs in hoodies? Was he taken out of context when he was for segregation? Was he taken out of context when he pushed a crime bill that setback black communities decades with some of those communities still hurting today?

Knowing all of this do you think Joe Biden is racist?