Impeachment hearings

Wasn't it them who said if Trump has nothing to hide he should let Mueller investigate unimpeded?

Why are Republicans so afraid of discussing the actions that led to an impeachment inquiry about their president?

What actions would those be? List all the actions you can factually prove.

Sorry but you can't ignore reality.

Those have been listed over and over in this thread.

If things are not as it seems, why do Trump not show evidence that clear his name? Why do not Republican politician show evidence that clear his name?

Like what evidence would clear his name? You're asking to prove a negative. Like if I said I seen you kick a homeless woman about 6 months ago, you'd deny it, and then ask for you to prove you didn't do it, how are you going to prove you didn't? There is a reason our legal system is "innocent until proven guilty." Unless you actually know of a piece of evidence that could be exculpatory such as the transcripts of the call that has already been released. Have you read them? There isn't any hint of any kind of bribery or quid pro quo in them.

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/25/764052120/read-transcript-of-president-trumps-call-with-ukraine-s-leader

That is the transcripts from the call that democrat "witnesses" are claiming Trump threatened and bribed and extorted the Ukrainian president. Do you actually see anything impeachable in any of that?

this whole debate is pointless.

who is congress trying to convince? the house will vote to impeach along party lines and the senate will vote to acquit along party lines.

one of the minority house members was lamenting about impeachment being used too often now.

there is a simple fix for that. stop electing people of shit character to the chief executive position in the land.

Several western countries and the GOP wanted Shokin out.

This was regular foreign policy practice. This is a fact checked conspiracy theory. You are lying.

Evidence that refutes the large amounts of evidence which shows he abused his power. It's like they haven't even tried to put up a real defense, other than nonsensical bullshit.

There is no evidence he abused his power, just conjecture and speculation. It's up to the accusers to provide evidence of a crime, they haven't. You seem to have a hard time understanding that someones impressions and feelings do not make evidence. That is something you clearly refuse to wrap your head around because the narrative to you is more important than reality.

Again, if I said I seen you punch a bum somewhere around 6 months ago, how would you disprove my allegations?

No reason to lie. Do you want links to the evidence? I think I've linked it 10 times ITT though.

Lying is bad.

Sorry to interrupt this baseless circle jerk and all, but

NEW NATIONAL POLL SHOWS EVERY PROSPECTIVE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE BEATING DONALD TRUMP

https://www.newsweek.com/new-poll-shows-top-democrats-beating-trump-2020-1476714

Wait, Republicans are really complaining that Biden sometimes says stupid and dumb things?

Really?

Do you remember what happened the last time you let polls get your hopes up? Hillary was supposed to win in a landslide.

Again, you've provided hearsay, hearsay that has been discredited by the actually people in on the call and the actual transcripts of it. Have you read the transcripts of the call?

I don't think you have clue one on what hearsay means. Actual witnesses have testified. trump's own transcript of the call backs up the impeachment grounds.

Those actual witnesses have also testified on record to themselves not having any evidence, and that their statements were impressions and conjecture but you certainly omit that from your ramblings. Have you read the actual transcripts of the call?

Again even trump's own transcripts shows he was in the wrong. YOU just refuse reality.

No, they don't. There is nothing nefarious in any of the transcripts, in fact they showed legitimate concern for corruption and wrongdoing, now this made up fear of an election. Trump isn't hillary, he doesn't need foreigners to dig up dirt on his opponents, his opponents defeat themselves.

@LJS9502_basic: provide the part of the transcript that is damning please

Yes, maybe you should listen to him speak.

Where is the crime in this impeachment?

You should tell that to Adam Shiff.

The charges have been changed daily to the point the current articles do not even come close to meeting the thresh hold for impeachment. The Democrats have stated why Trump must be impeached they can't beat him in the 2020 election.

No it doesn't lol.

1. The evidence shows why he must be impeached.

2. All of the Dem front runners are beating him in most polls for several months now.

1. But the 5 of you are clamoring on how this impeachment fiasco solidifies Trump's win. The only evidence we have so far shows this is not the case. At least I'm offering data, you're just giving me pure guess work. Can you at least offer some data?

2. The 2016 National Opinion Polls were correct for the most part.

Decorated , Ambassadors, Diplomats, War heroes (all under oath, and corroborating each other's accounts), text messages, transcripts, and 500+ Seasoned Constitutional scholars disagree with random guy on the internet.

Film at 11

They agree the transcripts show quid pro quo?

Some agree it shows bribery. Most agree it contains an abuse of power and obstruction. Impeachable offenses, easily. They also say if he isn't impeached for this then nothing is an impeachable offense.

So not quid pro quo...which we've heard how many times?

Sigh.

https://www.duffylawct.com/the-difference-between-bribery-extortion-and-quid-pro-quo/

Is a “quid pro quo” the same as bribery or extortion?

“Quid pro quo” is a Latin phrase that means “something for something” or “this for that.” Every bribery or extortion charge necessarily has a “quid pro quo.” However, not every “quid pro quo” is a crime. If one person offers another $5,000.00 to purchase a car, that is simply a contract for the sale of a car. Although there is a quid pro quo (“I’ll give you $5,000.00 if you give me your car”) that is not illegal. On the other hand, if the quid pro quo is money in exchange for a public official’s act (“I’ll give you $5000.00 if you give my company the public works contract”) then that is certainly illegal.

@zaryia: Ok, now where can it be proven that Trump was trying to bribe for personal, political gain? I've read your links that you've posted. From what I read, one (forgot his name) he believed it was QPQ, but he presumed what Trump meant in his call.

I didn't see any actual evidence elsewhere.

All this considering Ukrainian Pres saying he felt no pressure.

It's not an impeachable offense because Trump isn't a democrat. You know this, zaryia.

So you're admitting there's no factual evidence to actually prove any of the accusations. Just an "eeeh, it COULD mean what I want it to, and that's good enough for me?" This is important, because next time democrats win the presidency, and republicans own the house and senate, they should just remove them since the precedent for doing so without evidence of any crime is being set.

Lmao, war hero? Really? You're trying to talk people up so your appeal to authority argument seems more valid. You've already admitted there's no evidence, the people you just mentioned admitted in front of congress that none of them has evidence. Just admit it, you want Trump gone and you do not care what means are used, or rules are broken to do it. Classic TDS.

Yet when ask none could see any impeachable offence's.

Bribery is not in the impeachable articles against Trump because the Democrat's would have to admit Joe Biden is guilty of the same thing.

Abuse of power is not a listed impeachable offence in the Constitution. Obstruction of congress is also not an impeachable offense. There is a separation of powers clause in the constitution to keep one branch of government form encroaching on the other branches. When disputes arise it goes to the courts to make a ruling. The Democrats did not want to go to the courts because they are on a time table they set. So obstruction of congress is out the window.

Zaryia is sinking like the Titanic in this thread.

BUT THEY'RE DECORATED SCHOLARS, WAR HEROS, THERE'S EVEN A PIRATE!

Yeah, it's an appeal to authority argument always used in lieu of a real one. Instead of having a response it's like saying "look how special these people are and they agree with me and you can't disagree with them, so I claim victory, neener neener *sticks out tongue then proceeds to plug ears while screaming*"

This is a really good interview of Adam Schiff on impeachment if anyone want to give these videos a watch. He lays the information out in a way that's very easy to understand.

Why didn't Adam Shiff appear before the judiciary committee to present his findings like done in past. He was afraid and he knew his arguments false.

Hitting the entertainment shows. This is a circus.

Of course he is. This isn't about law, or justice, or fighting the constitution. It's about trying to wrongfully influence the 2020 elections in hopes it'll help them win.

He did present his findings. Do you not know how Congress works or is this your way of avoiding the truth?

Schiff was not present to present his findings to the judiciary. He was supposed to show up so he could be questioned on the content of the report and he sent a lacky instead. Simply for the fact that had Schiff showed up, he'd have been asked questions under oath that if he answered one way or another, would have damaged his case. One such question he would have been asked would be if he knows who the whistleblower is. Throughout the hearings Schiff has made claims that he does not. But the reality is, he does. So if he says he doesn't, her perjures himself, if he answers truthfully, he's exposed.

Schiff skipped out to save his ass.

@LJS9502_basic: senate is judiciary?

You know who I'm waiting to show up in congress or at the very least send a lackey for a defense? Go on, you know who I'm gonna say.

Trump doesn't need to show up, dems never had an argument and no facts to disprove which is why the impeachment is never going to go anywhere. Schiff handed Trump a 2020 victory in a kamikaze attack by the DNC that failed to hit its targets.

He wants to though......oh, wait, that was before they invited him to do so. Now he's arguing that he doesn't want to and that's just as cool to argue in the minds of, well, you, I was going to say Trump supporters, but that's you so, whatever.

Trump says it and you will agree with him. Trump flip flops and says the exact opposite and you will continue to see nothing wrong. That's the world you live in, and it's why I can't take anything you say seriously.