If all Trump supporters are racist bigots, why aren’t the posters that support Trump banned from this forum?

Where's the option that to be banned they'd have to post those ideologies themselves? Bad poll/thread.

I would like to assume people that posted praise for people like David Duke or use bigoted slurs on their own are already subjected to being banned. But if you want that added maybe the mods can add it since I can't edit a poll after it is posted?

@ad1x2: Not all Trump supporters are bigots...

...but all bigots are Trump supporters. Or rather, Republicans/right-wingers/conservatives.

I picked the first option because your poll is stupid.

Are Trump supporters all Republican supporters or just a subset? Because most of the Trump supporters on this board are simply Republican/Conservative supporters in general or they like a specific policy of Trump or both.

I am hard pressed to identify many supporters of the man himself, and those that are can be classified as trolls or inexperienced at life and lacking in critical thinking skills or both. We should feel sorry for them.

Who knows?

Merry Impeachmas!

I didn't say Republicans, I said Trump supporters specifically. Megan McCain is Republican but she obviously despises Trump, for example. But to address what you said, many posters in this forum made it clear that if you don't hate Trump then you love him and are behind him 100%, with no middle ground.

And the poll still exposes the elephant in the room: if Trump supporters are bigots then by GameSpot rules they should obviously be banned. There are plenty of left-leaning forums out there outside of GameSpot that ban Trump supporters, to include one of the biggest ones r/politics on Reddit.

JK Rowling isn't a Trump supporter but apparently she is a bigot now, according to some people in this forum.

I don't agree with you there. A sizeable portion of the left/progressive crowd that espouses freedom/tolerance/equality etc. are massive hypocrites because they want to shout down religious/conservative people.

It is ok not to agree with LBGTQ viewpoints. It is okay to be concerned about your religious principles, etc. The progressive left that attacks the people that have these views are worse then anyone as such action is not tolerant at all and they should know better. They are bigots, by definition.

What they should stick to is the role of gov't in this area which is to ensure that all people are afforded equality in their rights. That is what we should agree with. Shouting down alternate private viewpoints and advocating the destruction of private institutions is not tolerance.

Some people aren't going to adjust as fast as others to changing social norms. That's ok. They can have their say as long as gov't protects the rights of everyone.

For the record, I am quite liberal on social matters and don't think gov't should concern itself with who you sleep with.

Merry Christmas.

Got it, but I had to ask. The reason being is that it is nigh impossible to discern who is a true Trump supporter just from the posts on this board. I hear you that many react as if any agreement with anything said or done by Trump automatically makes you a Trump supporter, but I am not so blunt of a thinker.

I happen to agree that something needed to be done about China. I happen to disagree with the policy choice/solution. Same on immigration/border security. Same on getting out of Syria/Afghanistan. Etc.

On Trump personally, I think he is a disgusting troll, extreme narcissist and pathological liar. Bobo the clown would make a better POTUS. But I am not about to say that all Trump supporters, as you choose to define it, are bigots and should be banned. Half of them are nothing more than: economy is good = Trump is good.

I've already tried to make my position clear. All it resulted in was several posters calling me a liar and an alt-right Trump worshipper. One poster a few months ago accused me of being a racist white bigot pretending to be black because I mentioned the term "white guilt" in response to one of his posts.

In regards to the man himself, there are several things I do not agree with him at all. Despite my opinion that Time only selected Greta as Person of the Year because they didn't want to piss off China by selecting the Hong Kong Protestors, I disagreed with Trump tweeting what he did about her. I don't agree with what he said about the deceased Congressperson. He should not have said what he said about John McCain, even though Chris Rock said something similar and nobody got mad at him because he was supporting Obama at the time.

But even with all of the cringe-worthy things Trump does, I would rather have him be president than pretty much any of the other candidates that actually have a chance of getting the nomination for several reasons. The Department of Veterans Affairs is something I want to be improved for veterans. China is a pretty bigoted place (look how they treat black people) and I would prefer not to have to deal with them at all, but since we have to I would rather us be on top. I have a cousin that in my opinion was screwed over in the court system (he was wrong, but not wrong enough to get the sentence he got) and thanks to the prison reform bill he'll get out next year instead of sometime between 2025 and 2030. There are other good things out there that don't get mentioned because the media focuses on mean tweets, Russia, how much Hollywood hates him, and impeachment.

On the other hand, Warren wants to spend tens of trillions of tax dollars on some plan that may not even work while claiming that she's going to get all of the money from the rich when even if they confiscated and liquidated every billionaire's fortunes it still wouldn't be enough to pay for it all. Bernie looked at Venezuela as a model country we should strive for a decade ago and today they have literally collapsed under socialism. Biden doesn't even know what state he is in half of the time and almost lost his cool against a guy during a Q&A he was in complete control of; what is he going to do on a debate stage with the president? Yang, Tulsi, Klobuchar, and others have no chance of getting the nomination.

Haha more fake right-wing victim complex bullshit. Imagine actually making this thread with a serious face.

@leicam6: It beats the posts about counting non-citizens in the census being equivalent to foreign government interference in our elections or about Democrats eating babies.

@leicam6: yeah, Trump soft bitch personality is spreading

That's a fair point. Good to see that the OP is trending upwards.

@ad1x2: The world is full of simpletons who reduce things to simple left/right, good/bad etc. and who have limited real understanding of the issues.

I get that many/most political issues are relatively complex and/or nuanced which make them difficult for the average person to assess. I also get that even the brightest people cannot possibly assess all the issues since it is impossible to have domain knowledge in everything.

What is sad, and especially sad for you Americans due to your two party system, is the excessive political polarization that exists. It debases the issues.

I have read many of your posts. While I disagree with you on quite a few points, I don't perceive you as a rabid Trump supporter nor do I think you are a frothing at the mouth bigot/racist. Most of the time I see you post reasoned opinions. I happen to disagree with many, but that does not mean there is no merit in your points or that I would auto-dismiss them.

And I agree that the Democrat field is pretty weak.

Cheers

I voted for all options because I could.

You're correct. Worked for me as well...….

Except the thing about counting illegal aliens in the census (what I specifically said, but saying non-citizens seems like an attempt to paint me as being against ALL immigrants) resulting in liberal areas taking representative slots from conservative areas with much fewer illegal aliens is not a false statement. They can't legally vote, but their presence gives the districts they live in more votes in the house that affect actual citizens and legal immigrants.

As for the other one, we realized she was a troll and then we moved on. Bringing it up seems like you wanting to attack the messenger so you don't have to put as much effort into attacking the message.

@ad1x2: I said non-citizens because the Constitution lays out that the census counts population. I thought you were advocating counting only citizens rather than population because that would have made some level of sense. Counting green card holders as population but not undocumented immigrants is an even weirder distinction.

The racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, islamaphobic, ageist, fat shaming, man splaining, you are just a bigot rhetoric is just a leftist tactic. Its not like Trump is the first republican to be attacked as such. Its a tactic used by the left. It will be used against every Republican in the future as well. The left is obsessed with idenity politics and its an easy way to rile up thier base. Your talking about a section of people that follow 3rd wave feminist rhetoric. They believe in the patriarchy, they believe in thier own hierarchy of oppresion based on race, sex, and sexual orintation. They make thier boxes and then place people in them as such.

Diversity of thought is lost on the left.

I like to bring up socioeconomics as the actual hierachy present in the US. But this usually just pisses off modern progressives, they want it to be about race, sex, and orientation. Socioeconomics being the root of the problem kind of takes away from the theory that thier race or gender is whats holding them back by the "man".

Truth is, if you come from money your chances of making it are higher,

gender, sexual orientation, and race has much less if if any impact.

How about we ban them for being trolls? Which, let's be honest, half of them are.

I mean he's literally a meme president propped by bot accounts to make people you don't like as mad as possible. It's textbook.

@mrbojangles25: Really? I know alot if bigots that hate Trump.

The irony is that while the left has strived to have the most "inclusive" party/ideology. They have become the most divisive.

They eat thier own, the jk rowling situation is just one example of this.

Then start your own thread making that argument.

This thread is asking if Trump supporters should be banned because the popular opinion here is that Trump supporters are all bigots and bigotry is a violation of GameSpot's rules.

@ad1x2: you could go a step further and test this theory if you want. Try making posts that agree with President Trump's most extreme rhetoric how you believe all, or nearly all, immigrants from Mexico are drug dealers, rapists, and come from a "shithole" country and how some white nationalists are very fine people and have good reason to believe the things they believe. Don't just say that you support the man, which only implies your support of his extreme ideas, but truly explicitly support his most extreme ideas and see how that goes.

Seriously, make those posts, use an alt account if you need to and see if you get banned for doing so. I would seriously put money on you be banned for doing it.

@mrbojangles25: That's not true and you know it, I expect much better from you but lately you're just becoming a typical lefty troll. :(

@r-gamer: you know a lot of bigots?

Is that the company you keep?

"according to some people".

No, she is not a bigot. Bigot can be objectively defined (contrary to popular belief) and arguing the difference between scientific fact and societal interpretations does not make you a bigot.

No where in Rowling's statement did she say anything about hate, mistreatment, or anything negative.

That's why I included far right and conservative in there too. I think. If I didn't ,I meant to hahaha.

Should probably throw half of libertarians in there as well :P

It's fine to disagree, but when those disagreements are a.) founded on ridiculous principles like religion and race and so on, and b.) spur you to actively hate someone and take action against them, that's when you become a bigot.

Donating campaign money to a racist political official, marching in rallies against equal rights for all....that is what makes someone a bigot.

With that said, you make a good point; we are starting to see leftist bigots. It's hard to spot them because they're are not bigoted against "traditional" things like race or ethnicity, but instead against relatively new things like perceived gender discrimination and so on.

As you said, it's going to take time. Progressives need to realize that the world they want won't arrive for a generation or two. Sad, but true. The world is not going to uniformly accept transgender people, and forcing people and condemning them is only going to make it take longer.

As quoted above, Rowling is not a bigot; the people that got that professor fired, however, are.

We all have our prejudices but we don't act on them, just like we all have our inner demons but we don't listen to them. Simply thinking things, even out loud, generally doesn't make you a bigot. You'd have to say something really blatant like "I hate all _____ and wish they'd die" to be a bigot. Saying "I think Christianity is wonderful and I want to convert all non-believers" does not make you a bigot.

Fair enough, and you're right. I apologize.

Part of the reason people from the right are less likely to take you seriously is the selective outrage. We can both agree that he had no business saying those things about people being drug dealers, rapists, etc. back in 2015. But we can disagree on the target: people cut out the part where he was talking specifically about illegal immigrants and made it appear he was talking about ALL Mexicans.

Same issue with the "fine people" thing, since he said this shortly after the statement people like to play:

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

By all means, fact check it. He was ranting and being incoherent, but that doesn't change the fact that it is dishonest to claim he was praising neo-nazis during his rant.

If you still believe that people that support Trump are bigots, then do you believe we should be banned from this forum? That's pretty much what this thread is about.

@ad1x2:

"The Democrat Hillary Clinton outpaced President-elect Donald Trump by almost 2.9 million votes, with 65,844,954 (48.2%) to his 62,979,879 (46.1%), according to revised and certified final election results from all 50 states and the District of Columbia."

Its crazy to me to see how many just jumped on the "you voted for trump so your a bigot" vote here...

As if the 62,979,872 trump voters are all the bigots

and all 65,844,954 of Hillary's voters are all the good people.

and then supporting banning people for their political leanings.... for not being a democrat...

Yeah just ban them and silence them! that will work! or it will just make people see you as a fascist hypocrite.

Reminds me of Hillary calling the people who voted against her deplorable. All it did was rile up those who didn't like her. What a horrible strategy

This thread is amazing because you cornered them.

Worth noting that he has had a few white nationalists in his cabinet. Stephen Miller, a white nationalist, is currently one of his advisors, and Steve Bannon, also a white nationalist, was a former advisor to Trump as well.

So it's not like he totally condemns white nationalism like he said right there. More like he gives a wink and nod to it, then walks back in a statement later for the purposes of providing cover, and employs the members of the groups he supposedly condemns.

Back to the main topic of your post, it shouldn't be enough for gamespot mods to suspect your beliefs based on the politicians you support. However, if you provide proof of your hateful and bigoted beliefs to the forum and make posts about them, even if they directly align with the president, I would bet money on them banning you for it.

Yes tar and feather all Trumpers.

Then answer the question, do you believe the posters that are Trump supporters should be banned?

I like my title better. Feel free to start your own thread with that title if you like.

Not just banned but take their guns.

@zaryia: full blown facist eh..

@mrbojangles25: Ahhh ok so your a part of the group that thinks the left can't be bigots. Lol that's delusional at this point.

No, I definitely think they can be, I just think that relative to the right they are pretty much harmless.

I mean, one side wants to condemn gays to hell, bomb abortion clinics, and limit the rights of people based on skin color and sexual preference...

...and one side wants to blackball conservative actors from Hollywood and demands you use whatever terminology they deem correct for whatever the hell is going on with gender...

...what's the greater evil here?

Don't get me wrong; the left drives me absolutely bat shit insane, but they don't hurt me, and they are easily ignored and forgotten.

Also deport them!

@mrbojangles25: I disagree because the extreme right you're talking about is largely condemned and considered a major threat. The mainstream media can't condemn them more then they already do.

The left on the other hand is far more main stream and actually having effects on policy change. Don't want to agree with 50 different genders? Well you deserve to lose your job. Told an offensive joke ? That's a hate crime you need to go to jail. Misused a pronoun? We will need to investigate that.

That's an interesting perspective and not totally untrue I suppose.

I'll be honest I definitely feel insecure at my job in the last few years when I did not before, like I have to watch myself. We went from about 250 people and privately owned to about 2500 people and corporate. I had to take tolerance training classes and when I laughed at the video, I got talked to.

It's hilarious though because they're like "Don't make sexual jokes" then they show this absolutely corny video where a guy tells a sexual joke and it's so bad you can't help but laugh, then people look at you like you're the asshole.

I guess you could say they're both terrible; whereas the right might be more blatant and overt and hostile, the left tends to be a bit more subversive and sneaky about it.

I wish everyone would just calm the **** down and learn the power of ignorance. Not like ignorance in being dumb, but like the ability to ignore (tolerate, maybe) things you don't like. Like someone tells a joke about women being naggy; yeah that's lame, but you don't need to get his ass fired and then go tell the whole internet about it so people dox him.

whens nancy going to get them papers over to the senate zaryia?

@jeezers: Jesus, that picture. don't scare me like that.

lol

How does the bigots respond to different opinions?

One thing I learned quickly here, way before I became a moderator here; it's how you voice your opinions.

Tolerance vs intolerance paradox.