JK Rowling ousts herself as a TERF

Why do you agree with raising the minimum age for smoking? Old enough to join the army and die for your country, old enough to smoke.

I may not have much of a dog in the fight and you can even call it concern trolling, but when you guys eat each other alive for not being progressive enough you drive people not as progressive as you to the other side. Call them all the names you want, those are more votes going against the agenda you want to be passed when they hit the polls.

Some of that may be hyperbole, but several of the points are 100% true especially with people trying to cancel her when she's one of the most liberal people out there and once stated Trump is worse than Voldemort if he was real.

@ad1x2: lol definitely concern trolling and made up bullshit. No one ever has said “oh no the left was mean to me now thus in response I’m going to become an alt-reich racist Trump supporter”.

@npiet1: Lmao who cares if it is or isn’t natural”? Air conditioning and iPhones aren’t “natural” either but who cares. Your post is just more gibberish from someone who is clearly out of his depth. Just stick to discussing Marvel movies and video games.

Made up? One of the most liberal authors in the world is now an irredeemable transphobic bigot according to some of the posters in this thread. Step out of your echo chamber for a few minutes and prove me wrong.

As for that other stuff you said, I didn't say a thing about them becoming "alt-reich racist Trump supporters." Being right-leaning ≠ being a Trump supporter. Why is the GOP defending Trump, you may ask? Not because they think he is infallible. It's because the alternative to him winning a second term is allowing Warren, Bernie, or Biden to become president.

They would rather tolerate him before trying to get an establishment Republican back in the White House in 2025 than to let him fail and watch a Warren or Sanders Administration push us into whatever socialist ideas they want to put in place in 2021 or watch whomever Biden picks as his VP act as the de facto president because he doesn't even know what city he is in half of the time.

To give you an example what I mean, as much as the people here hate Tulsi Gabbard if by some slim chance she got the nomination I can all but guarantee that they would vote for her anyway because they hate Trump that much more and would hope the DNC can reel her into their agenda, something they can't do to Trump.

Can you quote where anyone in the thread said this?

I can't find it?

Or are you making stuff up and intentionally exaggerating just to subtly insult posters you don't like?

You know the definition of a TERF now. The TC called her one with obvious contempt and a few other posters backed him up, so you can do the math.

You can't quote where anyone said that.

Got it.

So were you just exaggerating to subtly insult other posters?

im marley g

You're calling me out because nobody used the exact words "irredeemable transphobic bigot" while describing JK Rowling. But somehow I doubt you're going to call out @leicam6 for saying I suggested that liberals that get "canceled" over not being woke enough are going to turn into "alt-reich racist Trump supporters.”

@ad1x2: Gonna be honest with you I stopped reading your post after you said “Step out of your echo chamber”. Coming from a conservative Trump acolyte of all people is genuinely the height of irony lol. Thanks for the laugh! American right-wingers are the most stuck in the echo chamber bunch there is, short of radical Islamists.

@Nuck81: Did you not read the TC? Hes far left as they come and hes dumping her. You guys are fucking insane its hilarious.

Yet you're the same guy who tried to defend the lie Clinton told under oath eventhough I posted video evidence. So I realize facts in front of your face are worthless.

You're trying to say I'm the one in an echo chamber after you used the phrase "alt-reich racist Trump supporters" and calling me a "Trump acolyte"? You'll probably get away with it here but say that in a more neutral setting and even people that lean a little to the left may call you out.

To be fair, I don't know what it means for a liberal to get "canceled"

The TC said he was separating JK Rowling from Harry Potter. I even made a post saying it was ok to separate the artist from the art.

But nowhere did he say she was a bigot. You're grasping for straws that aren't there.


Regarding the Clinton comment, I don't remember that. Got a link so I can look at it?

@ad1x2: I’m not American so that’s not at all likely lol. Also, this is what you and other American right wingers on this forum here come off as to people outside your country and *gasp* echo chamber.

Because it goes in line with the age limit of buying and drinking booze in this country. And since you brought up the military, raise that to 21 too, if you're going to play it that way. 18 is still a teenager.

Like I said, the Republicans are not consistent on things like this.

I'm with you on raising the legal age where you can join the military, or at the very least the age that a young person can actually be in combat situations. I think the military preys on people who don't really understand death or what it's like to live the rest of their lives with injuries and/or ptsd.

Republicans have my support on the age for smoking tobacco as well. It's like the only thing they have supported in the last 10 years that's actually good for the general populace.

If it's not intended biological function it's a mental illness. plain and simple.

No the military doesn't prey on people. It's a choice. Also it's a way out of poverty for many people. I guess we could have more crime though if that makes you feel better.

why would anyone support firing someone on having an opinion on sex or gender? give it a rest, seriously why do some people want to live in a dystopian nightmare where people try to ruin your life because they disagree with their opinion. its stupid asf

humans have different opinions its normal, the day we all agree on everything is when we are all dead

side note: I dgaf about harry potter, always hated it tbh

The left are new puritans.

They are willing to burn witches at the stake for blasphemy.

First you commited a logical fallacy, and now you dodged his question.

What is an intended biological function? Evolution has no intent, it merely passes on biological mutations of successful individuals. Regardless of how useful they are or not. Last year I slipped on ice and broke my tailbone while walking my dogs. There is no intent in biology, nor any other field of science. Life as we know it exists as a consequence of the laws of chemistry and physics.

Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness, and transitioning is the most widely used way to treat it. WHO as well as other leading medical organizations stopped classifying transgender as a mental illness.

Personally, I agree with this.

Cancel Culture is toxic. Trying to shut down any form of discussion one might like is not how you have a healthy discussion, and even though the transgender community is generally in the right here (gender dysphoria is VERY real).Which for a complex topic like this, is disasterous. Not just because there are multiple forms of gender dysphoria, but because some arguments thrown around are flat out wrong. I would rather not have transgender issue turn into a New Age All You Can Eat Woo Buffet where you pick your favorite scams of choice. I want to keep the issue medically grounded. Because as it is right now, there are juxtrapositions between individuals in the pro-transgender rights movement. Eventually these people will clash... in fact, I have seen them already do just this.

What is a TERF?

Fun to watch.

All biological functions have a reason for being there. Doesn't matter if it's good or not. How is transitioning treating it, 41% commit suicide and it's not even on the operating table. WHO has no proof other than we say so. I've been asking for proof more than we say its not a mental illness therefore it isn't.

Ever heard of Vestigial Organs?

For the record, one of the causes for why people feel gender dysphoria is when they have a male brain in a female body or vice versa. This isn't always the case (again Transgender is more of an umbrella thing rather than some monolith), but it is one of reasons for being there.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/research-on-the-transgender-brain-what-you-should-know/

How is transitioning treating it, 41% commit suicide and it's not even on the operating table.

First of all, that number varies greatly. From 32%-50%. Second it can be reduced. Which is why it varies so heavily.

How do we go around treating that problem? It is not easy but we have identified several factors. Gender-based victimization, discrimination, bullying, violence, familial rejection, friends, and community; harassment, be it by partners, friends, family, public and police. There may be further causes than these, but these are the most widely identified causes.

At the very least, you finally explained what you meant by 41%.

WHO has no proof other than we say so. I've been asking for proof more than we say its not a mental illness therefore it isn't.

1. They have, quite clearly explained why they removed it. The reasoning has to do primarily with an increased understanding of the condition, as well as a move to remove stigma from it, resulting in a net good for those afflicted.

2. "You can't prove me wrong, therefore I am right"... as if your crimes against logic in this thread couldnt get any worse. Sorry that they can't disprove a negative.

Smh, starting from conclusions and working from there.

And lol to you're link, Either the papers only care about their feelings on they were on hormones during studies which causes structure changes to the brain as I already previously mentioned.

Given the number of pretty blatant stereotypes that many, including myself, originally missed/excused in the Harry Potter universe (i.e. Jewish goblin bankers), it doesn't surprise me that she's a TERF. They are a very vocal minority among most women.

1. But not anymore. "If it's not intended biological function" is what you said. Vestigial organs have no intent, they are merely there. Which again, goes with my point of there being no such thing as intent in biology. Evolution just is.

2. You are massively strawmanning what is actually going on with transgender people. If you are wondering why I am responding so negatively to you it is because you keep being so disingenous.

3. Again, the issue I am pointing out is that you are shifting the burden of proof. Especially in the context of the sentence above. You seemed to have a much easier time accepting Transgender as a mental illness than now rejecting it (I would argue Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness). Which is a very pseudoscientific way of thinking. My opinion on everything related to transgender has changed in one form or another. Adapting my conclusions as my understanding increases.

Which one? Because I posted quite a few throughout this thread, but I assume you mean the meta-analysis based on what yo usaid. Yes there are limitations. This applies to EVERY SINGLE scientific experiment out there. This is the nature of science. Having limitations, while far from ideal, is par on course. Just look at ANY discussion section which will include limitations of the experiment. So you get a lot of papers together, to get around the limitations of the others. When you have a meta-analysis of 70+ published papers (several of them with 30+ citations), each doing individual testing, but ultimately coming to complementary conclusions. It is pretty safe to say, the meta-analysis did a fine job.

In this thread all you have done is throw a number which falls apart at any slightest scrutiny (pretty much any credible research done, shows that number can be DRASTICALLY reduced by eliminating the constant prejudices they face, implying the cause isn't what you like to claim what it is), throw a conspiracy theory (Of the Ben Stein order), Commit a appeal to nature fallacy, dodge @leicam6's question, throw in a few more logical fallacies (strawman being hte most recent one), reject a meta-analysis because some of the papers have limitations despite the whole thing forming a pretty clear big picture. I bid you a good day, because this is just a waste of time.

@npiet1

I really wish this would end but... I will entertain you one last time.

1. Nothing is designed with any function in mind. Everything merely exists as a consequence of other underlying laws, and phenomenon. While you are correct that gender dysphoria doesnt have any function, and gender dysphoria itself is a mental illness. BUT a transgender person usually doesnt suffer from gender dysphoria, they may have done so in the past, but people transition to treat their mental illness. While depression and anxiety usually come coupled with people being transgender, they are not inherent, and experts can easily seperate someone being transgender from someone being depressed/anxious.

3. Something not being Normal != Mental Illness. Being transgender in itself usually isn't the root cause of all the issues they face, the issues generally comes from the insane ammount of stigma these people face. With proper medical treatment and acceptance by society, many of the people who transition reach normative levels of mental well being. Because many come back with normative levels of mental well being, especially when the outside factors were supportive. WHO, and pretty much every credible medical institution agreed to take it off the list as a mental illness (that and the fact that classifying it as one was doing more harm than good). If you are going to handwave meta-analysises over silly reasons, disagree with leading medical experts on this topic, then any more discussion is futile.

For the record, I sent you not one, but two links in this thread. One of a Meta-analysis, the other of a medical website. That is why I had to ask.

So she's a TERF? Well at least she's not a (BERFL/GTRX)^2

im not even gonna ask lol...

You know, people tie Hollywood and the entertainment industry with the left, yet I see more people on the right defend a celebrity when they are alleged/confirmed to be a scumbag.

(Exception being Weinstein)

TERF, as @nintendoboy16 said, are supposed feminists who believe trans identities are not valid, and that they are just men invading their space, or women betraying their sex. And this isn't new from J.K Rowling either. Rowling has been a known a TERF for years and much of the online HP fan base despises her because of this.

Edit: I treat transgender people with respect and they are still "Humans" boys/girls. And as for J.k Rowling opinion, I respect her stand and it doesn't change the way I see HP or FB series. Again, I think transgender people should be treated like human beings. However, I do not see how they fit in the traditional LGBT grouping.

That is also saying something.

Anyway thanks for explaining it :)

The confusion over the issue stems from the existence of intersex people. These are people who have a genetic abnormality, with XXY or XYY genes. This genetic abnormality occurs in a very small percentage of the population.

However, most intersex people are not trans. They're two different groups of people. Most intersex are not trans, and most trans are not intersex. If anything, most intersex people do not identify as LGBT at all, but most simply identify as either straight male or straight female, and are often unaware that they are intersex at all.

Some LGBT activists have a habit of lumping intersex and transgender together, when in reality they're two different unrelated groups of people. In other words, most trans-females are biologically of the male sex, not the female sex or inter-sex.

Rowling used goblins in her books which have also been used in antisemitic propaganda by the nazi's. They love money and run the banks and have big noses and are only ever presented as nasty creatures in her books.

So not only is she a TERF, she is also a nazi. So now it's OK to harass her online because once you paint someone as an unreasonable enemy anything goes. It's time we start depicting goblins in a respectful manner so that we can stop offending the Jews.

You can't make this stuff up.

Context matters. Harry Potter books aren't exactly WW2 propaganda written during WW2. If something is used in the past in a bad way it doesn't say much about someone's intentions when they use it now. Goblins have been in many works and as a fantasy creature they have their fans. And no, not nazi fans. There's more to life than nazi's. And there are very few nazi's in the world. For a reason. What they believe doesn't make sense. It's one of the reasons why making sense is so important in life. Why making sense is so much more important than going by feeling.

The idea that Rowling used a reference to WW2 propaganda to secretly plant antisemitic seeds in the minds of children seems a little far fetched. If we are to find any analogy between the Harry Potter books and WW2, I'd say the more obvious reference would be how Voldemort turns Europe into something somewhat reminiscent of when we were occupied by German forces, where pure-bloods are the only ones respected. And he isn't exactly considered the hero. I already find the idea of 'representation' in the media ridiculous. But to stretch it to fantasy creatures is... well it's stretching it a little thin isn't it?

And stating facts shouldn't lead to somebody getting fired. Why should it? Because it hurts people? Anything said in this thread hurts people. There are legit things said in this thread that hurt me. We can't operate like that. That she couldn't get her job back even after appealing to court is disconcerting. I suppose education and science are next on the chopping block. I already read an article about how the SAT is racist. And how mathematics is racist. There's really no end to it, is there? I didn't expect there to be. But I did expect people to take this movement more seriously by now.

Shit like this makes me how we invented the wheel.

By accident.

Just like penicillin vaccines?