GOP climate plan faces pushback...from Republicans

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#51 R-Gamer
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@LJS9502_basic: His GDP growth is ahead of Obama.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/presidents-economy-gdp-trump-5d042c64-ace6-4904-8602-40003f917719.html

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#53 LJS9502_basic
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@r-gamer: That's not significant. It's also growing at the same rate as the last years of Obama. Unemployment has also continued that same trend. Wages have increased but that is due in part to blue states raising the minimum wage. Not trump. Governet debt and trade deficits are increasing. Business investments are lessening. And of course Americans without health insurance are increasing.

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#54  Edited By R-Gamer
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@LJS9502_basic: You saw the charts hes higher then Obama on average.

Your bias opinion is irrelevant. Saying wage increases is due to blue states raising minimum wage and then mentioning business investments are lessening as if that has nothing to do with increased minimum wages. You also forget that more Americans are without health insurance because the mandatory penalty was dropped. So many choose not to carry shitty health insurance just to avoid the massive tax penalty like under Obama.

You live in a fantasy world where Trump is responsible for everything bad and the Democrats are responsible for everything good.

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#55 LJS9502_basic
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@r-gamer said:

@LJS9502_basic: You saw the charts hes higher then Obama on average.

Your bias opinion is irrelevant. Saying wage increases is due to blue states raising minimum wage and then mentioning business investments are lessening as if that has nothing to do with increased minimum wages.

You live in a fantasy world where Trump is responsible for everything bad and the Democrats are responsible for everything good.

I stated facts I've culled from experts. You need to learn what opinion is.

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#56 Zaryia
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@n64dd said:
@zaryia said:
@n64dd said:
@zaryia said:
@eoten said:

They do not. You based almost everything you believe based on polls, not fact, but the opinions of others.

That's BS. To say every single national poll, survey, or study for the last 10 years on public opinion are wrong is asinine. They are incredibly accurate and show what I'm stating.

Even if they were wrong (they aren't), what counter-data have you even given?

Until shown otherwise, the will of the people is not on the GOP's side. Even their strategists know this, hence the gerrymandering, voter suppression, bills piling up on Mitch's desk (too scared for votes, because those bills have very high approval) and completely relying on the EC.

Polls aren't facts.

Their results are factual data though. They are highly accurate estimations that beat out Eoten's feelings. The GOP hasn't had the will of the people for a long time.

P.S. GOP strategists rely on them and Gerrymander based off of that data.

Had the will of the people last election. Trump won, republicans took the house and senate. Facts don't care about your "estimates".

What....Dems had more votes in 2016 and 2018.

Eoten said will of the people. Not the EC.

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#57 R-Gamer
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@LJS9502_basic: With 0 citation and without context.

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@r-gamer: You're going to have a hard time finding any credible economist saying that the decrease in investment is due to an increase in pay that covers only a very low % (2%?) of the working force.

It's pretty well established that decrease in investment comes from tax breaks not being effective, the trade war and more recently the Corona virus. But it's also truth that most economists are not too concerned right now.

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#59 Jacanuk
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@r-gamer said:

@zaryia: The first two? The Economy is booming under Trump and Republicans. Healthcare is an area that neither have an answer to. And the left seem to be fumbling on immigration.

The economy is not booming and hasn't significantly changed since the Obama administration.

You are correct.

Obama never left office and the economy is just following his plans.

/facepalm

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#60 LJS9502_basic
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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@r-gamer said:

@zaryia: The first two? The Economy is booming under Trump and Republicans. Healthcare is an area that neither have an answer to. And the left seem to be fumbling on immigration.

The economy is not booming and hasn't significantly changed since the Obama administration.

You are correct.

Obama never left office and the economy is just following his plans.

/facepalm

Having problems with context again?

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#61 Jacanuk
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@r-gamer said:

@zaryia: The first two? The Economy is booming under Trump and Republicans. Healthcare is an area that neither have an answer to. And the left seem to be fumbling on immigration.

The economy is not booming and hasn't significantly changed since the Obama administration.

You are correct.

Obama never left office and the economy is just following his plans.

/facepalm

Having problems with context again?

Having problems with facts again?

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#62 LJS9502_basic
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@r-gamer said:

@LJS9502_basic: With 0 citation and without context.

/www.npr.org/2018/09/12/646708799/fact-check-who-gets-credit-for-the-booming-u-s-economy

/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/20/trump-v-obama-economy-charts/

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#63 Jacanuk
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@r-gamer said:

@LJS9502_basic: With 0 citation and without context.

/www.npr.org/2018/09/12/646708799/fact-check-who-gets-credit-for-the-booming-u-s-economy

/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/20/trump-v-obama-economy-charts/

First of all, no economy will grow at the same rate especially considering that we are at an unemployment % that is so low that the people in the line are the ones "unemployable"

Also, your link to the post is a highly anti-trump left-wing biased source who has been known to make up facts like the "hacking of a powerplant by Russians" a claim that was disproven by another media in 2min by calling the plant.

But I am glad that you admit that the growth is all due to Bush.

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#64 LJS9502_basic
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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@r-gamer said:

@LJS9502_basic: With 0 citation and without context.

/www.npr.org/2018/09/12/646708799/fact-check-who-gets-credit-for-the-booming-u-s-economy

/www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/08/20/trump-v-obama-economy-charts/

First of all, no economy will grow at the same rate especially considering that we are at an unemployment % that is so low that the people in the line are the ones "unemployable"

Also, your link to the post is a highly anti-trump left-wing biased source who has been known to make up facts like the "hacking of a powerplant by Russians" a claim that was disproven by another media in 2min by calling the plant.

But I am glad that you admit that the growth is all due to Bush.

NPR and the Washington Post. Both credible.

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#65 Jacanuk
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:

First of all, no economy will grow at the same rate especially considering that we are at an unemployment % that is so low that the people in the line are the ones "unemployable"

Also, your link to the post is a highly anti-trump left-wing biased source who has been known to make up facts like the "hacking of a powerplant by Russians" a claim that was disproven by another media in 2min by calling the plant.

But I am glad that you admit that the growth is all due to Bush.

NPR and the Washington Post. Both credible.

The post is not credible.

NPR is "meh"

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#66 LJS9502_basic
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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:

First of all, no economy will grow at the same rate especially considering that we are at an unemployment % that is so low that the people in the line are the ones "unemployable"

Also, your link to the post is a highly anti-trump left-wing biased source who has been known to make up facts like the "hacking of a powerplant by Russians" a claim that was disproven by another media in 2min by calling the plant.

But I am glad that you admit that the growth is all due to Bush.

NPR and the Washington Post. Both credible.

The post is not credible.

NPR is "meh"

Enjoy your FauxNews.

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#67 Jacanuk
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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:

The post is not credible.

NPR is "meh"

Enjoy your FauxNews.

Ironic much.

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@Jacanuk: NPR is extremely credible. "High factual reporting" and near center. Award winning as well. Both are merely sourcing factual data. No opinion you type will refute the facts they listed. You must cite a source with numbers that prove they are wrong. By the way dozens of links show what they say in regards to the economy. From several trusted sources.

This is a continuation of Obama's trend line. It's weaker in some areas and stronger in others, but overall it's close. This is a fact. A ten year growth period. Trump did not inherent a disaster and did not change the overall trend by any large degree.

That's not to say Trump did nothing to continue it and tweak it. It IS his now, but it's just not much different and worse at jobs. Although that deficit lol.....In such a growth period it shouldn't go that way.

But anyway get back on topic this is about the GOP always sucking on climate change.

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@zaryia said:

@Jacanuk: NPR is extremely credible. "High factual reporting" and near center. Award winning as well. Both are merely sourcing factual data. No opinion you type will refute the facts they listed. You must cite a source with numbers that prove they are wrong. By the way dozens of links show what they say in regards to the economy. From several trusted sources.

This is a continuation of Obama's trend line. It's weaker in some areas and stronger in others, but overall it's close. This is a fact. A ten year growth period. Trump did not inherent a disaster and did not change the overall trend by any large degree.

That's not to say Trump did nothing to continue it and tweak it. It IS his now, but it's just not much different and worse at jobs. Although that deficit lol.....In such a growth period it shouldn't go that way.

But anyway get back on topic this is about the GOP always sucking on climate change.

Highly Liberal and slanted.

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@zaryia: gtfo with facts you liberal! Obama bad!! He's a Kenyan! USA! USA! /drives away in pickup

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@JimB: NPR is highly accurate and credible no matter what anyone types here.

You can't even refute their economy facts or climate change facts.

And why do dozens of other sources show the same numbers?

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@zaryia said:

@Jacanuk: NPR is extremely credible. "High factual reporting" and near center. Award winning as well. Both are merely sourcing factual data. No opinion you type will refute the facts they listed. You must cite a source with numbers that prove they are wrong. By the way dozens of links show what they say in regards to the economy. From several trusted sources.

This is a continuation of Obama's trend line. It's weaker in some areas and stronger in others, but overall it's close. This is a fact. A ten year growth period. Trump did not inherent a disaster and did not change the overall trend by any large degree.

That's not to say Trump did nothing to continue it and tweak it. It IS his now, but it's just not much different and worse at jobs. Although that deficit lol.....In such a growth period it shouldn't go that way.

But anyway get back on topic this is about the GOP always sucking on climate change.

I am no disputing that NPR is what you could call left of the center and their reports are usually done by people who do not have much to gain by being too partisan.

As to the post, again they have proven time and time again that they are far-left and their lies which was reported on and have been linked countless times.

As to this being a contiunation of Obama, well again then you are also admitting that Bush is to blame for most of Obama´s since bush in his period began to lay the groundwork.

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@JimB said:
@zaryia said:

@Jacanuk: NPR is extremely credible. "High factual reporting" and near center. Award winning as well. Both are merely sourcing factual data. No opinion you type will refute the facts they listed. You must cite a source with numbers that prove they are wrong. By the way dozens of links show what they say in regards to the economy. From several trusted sources.

This is a continuation of Obama's trend line. It's weaker in some areas and stronger in others, but overall it's close. This is a fact. A ten year growth period. Trump did not inherent a disaster and did not change the overall trend by any large degree.

That's not to say Trump did nothing to continue it and tweak it. It IS his now, but it's just not much different and worse at jobs. Although that deficit lol.....In such a growth period it shouldn't go that way.

But anyway get back on topic this is about the GOP always sucking on climate change.

Highly Liberal and slanted.

NPR is credible dude.