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#1 Zaryia
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GOP climate plan faces pushback — from Republicans

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/483187-gop-climate-plan-faces-pushback-from-republicans

“The Democrats have trained everybody to think that the only people who care about climate change are the ones who engage in hysterical alarmism or engage in real high-minded but ultimately false aspirations of ‘we’re going to decrease this much’... but they forget about the actual solutions,” said Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas), who is leading a bill on carbon capture research and development.

But the bill was immediately condemned by the powerful Club for Growth PAC and elicited grumbles from a handful of lawmakers.

“The next step needs to be the trash can for this stuff,” said Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), who has advocated for more carbon in the atmosphere, arguing it will spur plant growth.

In the first of three eventual proposals, the package

What....

"who has advocated for more carbon in the atmosphere, arguing it will spur plant growth."

GOP gonna GOP I guess.

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Gods, not even the Sweden Democrats would be this dumb.

How is New Delhi doing with all the smog they are dealing with?

How about something a bit closer to home, albeit a long time ago, before the EPA was founded.

And really? Club for Growth wanting to curb innovation, the key contributor to growth? Seems they are more interested in partisan nonsense than actual solutions. Carbon extraction could be a gold mine.

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Late stage capitalism has no room for any moderation or regulation. You can't maximize short term profit if your friends are like "whoa maybe this is too much even for me." Why even have friends at this point?!

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@zaryia said:

GOP climate plan faces pushback — from Republicans

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/483187-gop-climate-plan-faces-pushback-from-republicans

“The Democrats have trained everybody to think that the only people who care about climate change are the ones who engage in hysterical alarmism or engage in real high-minded but ultimately false aspirations of ‘we’re going to decrease this much’... but they forget about the actual solutions,” said Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Texas), who is leading a bill on carbon capture research and development.

But the bill was immediately condemned by the powerful Club for Growth PAC and elicited grumbles from a handful of lawmakers.

“The next step needs to be the trash can for this stuff,” said Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), who has advocated for more carbon in the atmosphere, arguing it will spur plant growth.

In the first of three eventual proposals, the package

What....

"who has advocated for more carbon in the atmosphere, arguing it will spur plant growth."

GOP gonna GOP I guess.

Technically what he said about carbon spurring plant growth is true actually, but there is a downside with more carbon in the air with rising temperatures and such. So what he said is technically correct.

Elevated carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere may increase water-use efficiency in crops and considerably mitigate yield losses due to climate change, according to a new NASA study.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-study-rising-carbon-dioxide-levels-will-help-and-hurt-crops

Love Dan Crenshaw, he is one of the few republicans I like right now.

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@Maroxad said:

Gods, not even the Sweden Democrats would be this dumb.

How is New Delhi doing with all the smog they are dealing with?

How about something a bit closer to home, albeit a long time ago, before the EPA was founded.

And really? Club for Growth wanting to curb innovation, the key contributor to growth? Seems they are more interested in partisan nonsense than actual solutions. Carbon extraction could be a gold mine.

Could be.

Oil already is. Fossil fuel is, and have been. And we all know that we will never run out of fossil fuel. /s

Edit: To be more serious and on topic. Higher CO2 in the air means also more acidic oceans since water absorbs CO2, Wiki article about it, this in return has huge negative impacts on everything in the ocean that uses calcium carbonate. Like crab shells.

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@Xabiss said:

Technically what he said about carbon spurring plant growth is true actually, but there is a downside with more carbon in the air with rising temperatures and such. So what he said is technically correct.

Elevated carbon dioxide concentrations in the atmosphere may increase water-use efficiency in crops and considerably mitigate yield losses due to climate change, according to a new NASA study.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-study-rising-carbon-dioxide-levels-will-help-and-hurt-crops

Love Dan Crenshaw, he is one of the few republicans I like right now.

I'm aware he's correct about the plant growth, it's the part where they want increased carbon in the atmosphere that is bats-hit insane and correct. That's because benefits are minuscule compared to the harms, so if he's not trolling he is just really f'd in the head.

During a 2019 House Oversight Committee hearing on the impact of climate change, Massie suggested that concerns over rising carbon dioxide levels were exaggerated, asking a witness, former senator John Kerry, why carbon dioxide levels millions of years ago were higher despite the non-presence of humans.[73][74]CNN and The Washington Post described Massie's exchange with the witness as "surreal" and "bizarre".[73][74]

Massie supports dismantling the Environmental Protection Agency.[75] He voted to block the Department of Defense from spending on climate adaptation.[76] He voted to repeal the Stream Protection Rule, which imposed stricter requirements on coal mining to prevent coal debris from getting into waterways.[77]

Sadly there was even a bunch of right wingers here who agreed with some of these Republicans saying we should increase carbon levels lol. Was a funny thread.

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Dumbasses dont know the difference between carbon and carbon dioxide

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Courting young conservatives, Republicans speed up their ‘evolution’ on climate change

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article240298461.html

I agree with a lot of this article. The GOP pretty much had to evolve their incorrect position on climate change or continue to face a shrinking base. They need those younger voters.

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@zaryia said:

Courting young conservatives, Republicans speed up their ‘evolution’ on climate change

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article240298461.html

I agree with a lot of this article. The GOP pretty much had to evolve their incorrect position on climate change or continue to face a shrinking base. They need those younger voters.

Correct me if I am wrong, but does the article say anything more than plant trees?

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GOP: "Look, we're not crazy. We want to help keep pollution under control, just in a way that doesn't hurt our economy".

Also GOP: "You're a lying deep state secret socialist, just like John Bolton".

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@judaspete said:

GOP: "Look, we're not crazy. We want to help keep pollution under control, just in a way that doesn't hurt our economy".

Also GOP: "You're a lying deep state secret socialist, just like John Bolton".

Funny joke there

Also, no-one called Bolton a "secret socialist" since we all know his reasoning behind the leaked "info/lies", after all his book just went from "Nah, don´t really want to spend cash on that" to "New York bestseller #1" and he pretty much guaranteed himself tv-appearances and spots on various if not all cable news shows.

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Cons don't know how to govern anymore. It's all based on popularity now not an ideology.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

Cons don't know how to govern anymore. It's all based on popularity now not an ideology.

ROFL, I have heard a lot of jokes on this forum but this is the best so far.

Talk about "kettle, black, pot syndrome"

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Cons don't know how to govern anymore. It's all based on popularity now not an ideology.

ROFL, I have heard a lot of jokes on this forum but this is the best so far.

Talk about "kettle, black, pot syndrome"

Your post is a subjective opinion.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Cons don't know how to govern anymore. It's all based on popularity now not an ideology.

ROFL, I have heard a lot of jokes on this forum but this is the best so far.

Talk about "kettle, black, pot syndrome"

Your post is a subjective opinion.

And?`we are on a debate forum.

Also, I hope you are not under any illusion that you have at any point shown to be objective about anything?

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Your post is a subjective opinion.

And?`we are on a debate forum.

Also, I hope you are not under any illusion that you have at any point shown to be objective about anything?

Ah so now I can see why you lost all the "debates" here. You think opinions matter.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Your post is a subjective opinion.

And?`we are on a debate forum.

Also, I hope you are not under any illusion that you have at any point shown to be objective about anything?

Ah so now I can see why you lost all the "debates" here. You think opinions matter.

I hope you see the irony in your comments here.

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@Jacanuk said:
@judaspete said:

GOP: "Look, we're not crazy. We want to help keep pollution under control, just in a way that doesn't hurt our economy".

Also GOP: "You're a lying deep state secret socialist, just like John Bolton".

Funny joke there

Also, no-one called Bolton a "secret socialist" since we all know his reasoning behind the leaked "info/lies", after all his book just went from "Nah, don´t really want to spend cash on that" to "New York bestseller #1" and he pretty much guaranteed himself tv-appearances and spots on various if not all cable news shows.

Yes, I was exaggerating as a joke, but not by that much really. He was called a tool for the radical Dems, a RINO, and a cog in the deep state conspiracy against Trump.

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@judaspete said:
@Jacanuk said:
@judaspete said:

GOP: "Look, we're not crazy. We want to help keep pollution under control, just in a way that doesn't hurt our economy".

Also GOP: "You're a lying deep state secret socialist, just like John Bolton".

Funny joke there

Also, no-one called Bolton a "secret socialist" since we all know his reasoning behind the leaked "info/lies", after all his book just went from "Nah, don´t really want to spend cash on that" to "New York bestseller #1" and he pretty much guaranteed himself tv-appearances and spots on various if not all cable news shows.

Yes, I was exaggerating as a joke, but not by that much really. He was called a tool for the radical Dems, a RINO, and a cog in the deep state conspiracy against Trump.

Yup.

But it's funny how the sworn testimonies and documents all agree with Bolton's statements and leaked book info. Also funny how several GOP members agree what happened, but simply didn't find it impeachable. Apparently the guy with over 15k lies is more reliable than 10 corroborating sworn testimonies and documents.

It's as if....gasp....it all happened.

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@LJS9502_basic said:

Cons don't know how to govern anymore. It's all based on popularity now not an ideology.

Yes, imagine a form of government where the people elected representatives, to represent them and to do what it was the people elected them to do. It's literally the job description of a congressman to do what his/her constituents put them in office to do. The problem is, you think YOUR ideology supersedes the will of the people.

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@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Cons don't know how to govern anymore. It's all based on popularity now not an ideology.

the will of the people.

It's more like "the will of the empty farm land".

Will of the people hasn't been a thing for a while. Some people simply have much more voting power (EC) and gerrymandering is a thing. Democrat policy is much more popular and they get millions of more votes nation wide for decades now.

That being said, Red states and counties have a much lower average Human Development Index so he's right about their governing part. They have to appeal to people's irrational fears.

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@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Cons don't know how to govern anymore. It's all based on popularity now not an ideology.

the will of the people.

It's more like "the will of the empty farm land".

Will of the people hasn't been a thing for a while. Some people simply have much more voting power (EC) and gerrymandering is a thing.

Democrat policy is much more popular and they get millions of more votes nation wide for decades now. Red states and counties have a much lower average Human Development Index so he's right about their governing.

Dude, the DNC couldn't even run a fair election within their own party and feels the need to control the outcome rather than the voters.

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@eoten said:
@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Cons don't know how to govern anymore. It's all based on popularity now not an ideology.

the will of the people.

It's more like "the will of the empty farm land".

Will of the people hasn't been a thing for a while. Some people simply have much more voting power (EC) and gerrymandering is a thing.

Democrat policy is much more popular and they get millions of more votes nation wide for decades now. Red states and counties have a much lower average Human Development Index so he's right about their governing.

Dude, the DNC couldn't even run a fair election within their own party and feels the need to control the outcome rather than the voters.

Not a good example as comparing HDI of red vs blue areas. Or the economy of Red vs Blue presidents over a long period of time, which also helps LJ's point.

But yeah you really should stay away from using the term "The Will of the People" as a Republican. That's kind of a joke at this point for that party. House, Senate, POTUS. All millions less votes nation wide. Same goes for polling on most major policies.

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@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Cons don't know how to govern anymore. It's all based on popularity now not an ideology.

the will of the people.

It's more like "the will of the empty farm land".

Will of the people hasn't been a thing for a while. Some people simply have much more voting power (EC) and gerrymandering is a thing.

Democrat policy is much more popular and they get millions of more votes nation wide for decades now. Red states and counties have a much lower average Human Development Index so he's right about their governing.

Dude, the DNC couldn't even run a fair election within their own party and feels the need to control the outcome rather than the voters.

Not a good example as comparing HDI of red vs blue areas. Or the economy of Red vs Blue presidents over a long period of time, which also helps LJ's point.

But yeah you really should stay away from using the term "The Will of the People" as a Republican. That's kind of a joke at this point for that party. House, Senate, POTUS. All millions less votes nation wide. Same goes for polling on most major policies.

First off, I'm not a republican. Second of all, I'll say whatever the hell I damn well please. Fix your own party before you start crying about "the will of the people." The DNC has made it clear they do not give a damn about any election they have no control over. Hence the hilarious impeachment attempt to try to harm Trumps chances going into 2020.

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@eoten said:

fix your own party before you start crying about "the will of the people." The DNC has made it clear they do not give a damn about any election they have no control over. Hence the hilarious impeachment attempt to try to harm Trumps chances going into 2020.

I agree, that is very stupid of the DNC to subvert the public's opinion. Either way, the GOP loses against the Dems in terms of "will of the people" in almost every facet. Their policy is just less popular and they have less people voting for them.

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back on topic

the world just experienced its hottest January in 140+ years.

https://www.noaa.gov/news/january-2020-was-earth-s-hottest-january-on-record

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@zaryia said:
@eoten said:

fix your own party before you start crying about "the will of the people." The DNC has made it clear they do not give a damn about any election they have no control over. Hence the hilarious impeachment attempt to try to harm Trumps chances going into 2020.

I agree, that is very stupid of the DNC to subvert the public's opinion. Either way, the GOP loses against the Dems in terms of "will of the people" in almost every facet. Their policy is just less popular and they have less people voting for them.

They do not. You based almost everything you believe based on polls, not fact, but the opinions of others. You only believe the majority of people want what you want because you listen only to the polls that tell you what you want to hear.

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@Jacanuk said:
@LJS9502_basic said:
@Jacanuk said:

And?`we are on a debate forum.

Also, I hope you are not under any illusion that you have at any point shown to be objective about anything?

Ah so now I can see why you lost all the "debates" here. You think opinions matter.

I hope you see the irony in your comments here.

I post links. I post well established facts. You never do. And in fact most of your posts are about subjective feelings about subjects. Hell you even do that with constitutional law.

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@eoten said:
@LJS9502_basic said:

Cons don't know how to govern anymore. It's all based on popularity now not an ideology.

Yes, imagine a form of government where the people elected representatives, to represent them and to do what it was the people elected them to do. It's literally the job description of a congressman to do what his/her constituents put them in office to do. The problem is, you think YOUR ideology supersedes the will of the people.

That's just an incredibly naïve view of what their job entails. They are elected to do the right thing for their constituency. If their constituency is uneducated...……*cough*trumpbase*cough*……..then they should NOT do harmful policies just because the people have the wrong facts.

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@eoten said:
@zaryia said:
@eoten said:

fix your own party before you start crying about "the will of the people." The DNC has made it clear they do not give a damn about any election they have no control over. Hence the hilarious impeachment attempt to try to harm Trumps chances going into 2020.

I agree, that is very stupid of the DNC to subvert the public's opinion. Either way, the GOP loses against the Dems in terms of "will of the people" in almost every facet. Their policy is just less popular and they have less people voting for them.

They do not. You based almost everything you believe based on polls, not fact, but the opinions of others.

That's BS. To say every single national poll, survey, or study for the last 10 years on public opinion are wrong is asinine. They are incredibly accurate and show what I'm stating.

Even if they were wrong (they aren't), what counter-data have you even given?

Until shown otherwise, the will of the people is not on the GOP's side. Even their strategists know this, hence the gerrymandering, voter suppression, bills piling up on Mitch's desk (too scared for votes, because those bills have very high approval) and completely relying on the EC.

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@zaryia: Alot of Democratic practices are not more popular. Wanting open boarders and combining that with wanting to give away free shit to everyone is why they will lose again.

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@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@zaryia said:
@eoten said:

fix your own party before you start crying about "the will of the people." The DNC has made it clear they do not give a damn about any election they have no control over. Hence the hilarious impeachment attempt to try to harm Trumps chances going into 2020.

I agree, that is very stupid of the DNC to subvert the public's opinion. Either way, the GOP loses against the Dems in terms of "will of the people" in almost every facet. Their policy is just less popular and they have less people voting for them.

They do not. You based almost everything you believe based on polls, not fact, but the opinions of others.

That's BS. To say every single national poll, survey, or study for the last 10 years on public opinion are wrong is asinine. They are incredibly accurate and show what I'm stating.

Even if they were wrong (they aren't), what counter-data have you even given?

Until shown otherwise, the will of the people is not on the GOP's side. Even their strategists know this, hence the gerrymandering, voter suppression, bills piling up on Mitch's desk (too scared for votes, because those bills have very high approval) and completely relying on the EC.

Polls aren't facts.

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@n64dd said:
@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@zaryia said:

I agree, that is very stupid of the DNC to subvert the public's opinion. Either way, the GOP loses against the Dems in terms of "will of the people" in almost every facet. Their policy is just less popular and they have less people voting for them.

They do not. You based almost everything you believe based on polls, not fact, but the opinions of others.

That's BS. To say every single national poll, survey, or study for the last 10 years on public opinion are wrong is asinine. They are incredibly accurate and show what I'm stating.

Even if they were wrong (they aren't), what counter-data have you even given?

Until shown otherwise, the will of the people is not on the GOP's side. Even their strategists know this, hence the gerrymandering, voter suppression, bills piling up on Mitch's desk (too scared for votes, because those bills have very high approval) and completely relying on the EC.

Polls aren't facts.

Their results are factual data though. They are highly accurate estimations that beat out Eoten's feelings. The GOP hasn't had the will of the people for a long time.

P.S. GOP strategists rely on them and Gerrymander based off of that data.

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@r-gamer said:

@zaryia: Alot of Democratic practices are not more popular. Wanting open boarders and combining that with wanting to give away free shit to everyone is why they will lose again.

You can cherry pick a few policies and for some you are right, but Dems overall are objectively more popular as are more of their policies than the GOP.

Majority of Americans support progressive policies such as higher minimum wage, free college

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/27/majority-of-americans-support-progressive-policies-such-as-paid-maternity-leave-free-college.html

The majority of Americans tend to agree with Democrats on top issues, polling shows

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/07/politics/democratic-positions-majority/index.html

Which is why they had 10+ Million more votes in 2018.

P.S. Several of the House bills sitting on Mitch's desk poll 70-90%+.

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@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@zaryia said:
@eoten said:

fix your own party before you start crying about "the will of the people." The DNC has made it clear they do not give a damn about any election they have no control over. Hence the hilarious impeachment attempt to try to harm Trumps chances going into 2020.

I agree, that is very stupid of the DNC to subvert the public's opinion. Either way, the GOP loses against the Dems in terms of "will of the people" in almost every facet. Their policy is just less popular and they have less people voting for them.

They do not. You based almost everything you believe based on polls, not fact, but the opinions of others.

That's BS. To say every single national poll, survey, or study for the last 10 years on public opinion are wrong is asinine. They are incredibly accurate and show what I'm stating.

Even if they were wrong (they aren't), what counter-data have you even given?

Until shown otherwise, the will of the people is not on the GOP's side. Even their strategists know this, hence the gerrymandering, voter suppression, bills piling up on Mitch's desk (too scared for votes, because those bills have very high approval) and completely relying on the EC.

Polls do not poll the entire country, polls are often wrong, and even slanted to guide opinions of people, like you, who put such undying faith into what they say. From what I've read from you, you only seem to agree with opinions you believe to be popular, as if you have this strong urge to be accepted with a larger chunk of society. This allows you to be easily manipulated by polls which are pretty useless.

How many predictions have climate cultists been making over the last 50 years, all of which, to date, have never come to fruition?

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@eoten said:

Polls do not poll the entire country,

You have no clue how statistics work.

@eoten said:

polls are often wrong,

National polls are not often wrong. Or at least the ones I'm using.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-are-all-right/

https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/2019/11/19/a-field-guide-to-polling-election-2020-edition/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/01/the-sky-is-not-falling-two-major-studies-show-election-polls-are-not-getting-less-accurate/

Liberal policies poll higher and they got more votes in 2016 and 2018.

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From what I've read from you, you only seem to agree with opinions you believe to be popular, as if you have this strong urge to be accepted with a larger chunk of society.

No. I don't agree with all of those popular opinions. I'm just telling you they ARE popular opinions.

You are incapable of refuting that.

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polls which are pretty useless.

GOP Strategists disagree with you.

@eoten said:

How many predictions have climate cultists been making over the last 50 years, all of which, to date, have never come to fruition?

Several climate predictions came true. Climate Change is real, as is AGW. The GOP lost on this subject, like how they lost on evolution. The GOP sucks at science.

Polling had nothing to do with Climate Change. The public opinion increased on that due to the overwhelming evidence. The GOP could not hold public opinion on CC/AGW because they did not have the facts. As they usually do not.

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My god GOPys are so fkn crazy Its scary.

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@zaryia said:
@eoten said:

Polls do not poll the entire country,

You have no clue how statistics work.

@eoten said:

polls are often wrong,

National polls are not often wrong. Or at least the ones I'm using.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-are-all-right/

https://www.pewresearch.org/methods/2019/11/19/a-field-guide-to-polling-election-2020-edition/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/06/01/the-sky-is-not-falling-two-major-studies-show-election-polls-are-not-getting-less-accurate/

Liberal policies poll higher and they got more votes in 2016 and 2018.

@eoten said:

From what I've read from you, you only seem to agree with opinions you believe to be popular, as if you have this strong urge to be accepted with a larger chunk of society.

No. I don't agree with all of those popular opinions. I'm just telling you they ARE popular opinions.

You are incapable of refuting that.

@eoten said:

polls which are pretty useless.

GOP Strategists disagree with you.

@eoten said:

How many predictions have climate cultists been making over the last 50 years, all of which, to date, have never come to fruition?

Several climate predictions came true. Climate Change is real, as is AGW. The GOP lost on this subject, like how they lost on evolution. The GOP sucks at science.

Polling had nothing to do with Climate Change. The public opinion increased on that due to the overwhelming evidence. The GOP could not hold public opinion on CC/AGW because they did not have the facts. As they usually do not.

Polling doesn't have to have anything to do with climate change for climate change to be discussed on a climate change thread. I am bringing the thread back on topic. If there are several predictions that have come true, show me some.

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@zaryia: They had more votes in 2018 due to Trump winning the election. It's doubtful it was all because of policy. And unless you can prove many of these topics are top priorities for voters it's pretty irrelevant . It's also the combination of policies that will destroy them. For an example it's hard to offer free college and Medicare for all when you want open boarders with it. The two don't work together.

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@r-gamer said:

@zaryia: They had more votes in 2018 due to Trump winning the election. It's doubtful it was all because of policy. And unless you can prove many of these topics are top priorities for voters it's pretty irrelevant.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/244367/top-issues-voters-healthcare-economy-immigration.aspx

Top Issues for Voters in 2018: Healthcare, Economy, Immigration

%
Healthcare80
The economy78
Immigration78
Way women are treated in U.S. society74
Gun policy72
Taxes70
Foreign affairs68
Way income and wealth are distributed in the U.S.68
The recent confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court64
U.S. trade and tariff policies61
Climate change53
Investigation into Russian involvement in the 2016 U.S. election45
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For an example it's hard to offer free college and Medicare for all when you want open boarders with it. The two don't work together.

We'll see. Those first two have polled higher than the GOP alternatives. Not many Dems literally want open borders btw. I'm willing to bet more people will vote Democrat again for 2020 like the last 4 General Elections. I could be wrong, but the data strongly points towards that.

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Polling doesn't have to have anything to do with climate change for climate change to be discussed on a climate change thread. I am bringing the thread back on topic. If there are several predictions that have come true, show me some.

Climate Denial in 2020 lol. You may as well tell me how evolution and vaccines are fake news.

Anyway,

How reliable are climate models?

"Models successfully reproduce temperatures since 1900 globally, by land, in the air and the ocean."

A 2019 study led by Zeke Hausfather evaluated 17 global surface temperature projections from climate models in studies published between 1970 and 2007. The authors found "14 out of the 17 model projections indistinguishable from what actually occurred."

https://skepticalscience.com/climate-models.htm

Don't even try it.

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So, you do not have a list of any predictions that have come true, do you? Just a model that contradicts past statements by the same IPCC that also claimed there have been no rise in temperature since the late 1990s. Coastal cities aren't under water, there was never any new ice age, the world isn't ending in 12 years. Just selling fear with nothing to back it up.

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@eoten said:

So, you do not have a list of any predictions that have come true, do you?

A 2019 study led by Zeke Hausfather evaluated 17 global surface temperature projections from climate models in studies published between 1970 and 2007. The authors found "14 out of the 17 model projections indistinguishable from what actually occurred."

Your team lost this one. Just like Evolution. Vaccines. Weed (Soon). Gay Marriage. Throw in the bin and move on.

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Bahaha, promote more carbon in the air to stimulate plant growth, that's something a grade 2 kid would say. What does plant growth have to do with climate change anyways? We end up using the carbon to build human infrastructure and leaving less land for those plants to grow in the first place. These politicians are either dumb as bricks or geniuses at misleading their flock.

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@zaryia said:
@n64dd said:
@zaryia said:
@eoten said:
@zaryia said:

I agree, that is very stupid of the DNC to subvert the public's opinion. Either way, the GOP loses against the Dems in terms of "will of the people" in almost every facet. Their policy is just less popular and they have less people voting for them.

They do not. You based almost everything you believe based on polls, not fact, but the opinions of others.

That's BS. To say every single national poll, survey, or study for the last 10 years on public opinion are wrong is asinine. They are incredibly accurate and show what I'm stating.

Even if they were wrong (they aren't), what counter-data have you even given?

Until shown otherwise, the will of the people is not on the GOP's side. Even their strategists know this, hence the gerrymandering, voter suppression, bills piling up on Mitch's desk (too scared for votes, because those bills have very high approval) and completely relying on the EC.

Polls aren't facts.

Their results are factual data though. They are highly accurate estimations that beat out Eoten's feelings. The GOP hasn't had the will of the people for a long time.

P.S. GOP strategists rely on them and Gerrymander based off of that data.

Had the will of the people last election. Trump won, republicans took the house and senate. Facts don't care about your "estimates".

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@n64dd said:
@zaryia said:

Their results are factual data though. They are highly accurate estimations that beat out Eoten's feelings. The GOP hasn't had the will of the people for a long time.

P.S. GOP strategists rely on them and Gerrymander based off of that data.

Had the will of the people last election. Trump won, republicans took the house and senate. Facts don't care about your "estimates".

But you lost the House once in power. That SHOULD tell you something.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:
@zaryia said:

Their results are factual data though. They are highly accurate estimations that beat out Eoten's feelings. The GOP hasn't had the will of the people for a long time.

P.S. GOP strategists rely on them and Gerrymander based off of that data.

Had the will of the people last election. Trump won, republicans took the house and senate. Facts don't care about your "estimates".

But you lost the House once in power. That SHOULD tell you something.

That we had the will of the people in 2016, he said a long time. 4 years ago isn't that long?

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"who has advocated for more carbon in the atmosphere, arguing it will spur plant growth."

I suppose if humanity does perish, The flora of Earth might in time grow even more vibrant.
So he's..technically correct?

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@zaryia: The first two? The Economy is booming under Trump and Republicans. Healthcare is an area that neither have an answer to. And the left seem to be fumbling on immigration.

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@zaryia: The first two? The Economy is booming under Trump and Republicans. Healthcare is an area that neither have an answer to. And the left seem to be fumbling on immigration.

The economy is not booming and hasn't significantly changed since the Obama administration.