Citizens pay healthcare for illegals? typical lib

I'm starting to get the feeling, based on the replies here, that some folks would be perfectly fine having a hospital dump a person right back on the sidewalk to bleed to death if it comes out they are illegal...

As a Canadian, I pay taxes that cover medical expenses for all people in the country. I couldn't care less if they are legal or illegal immigrants (or even just tourists). Human beings should have access to healthcare services in a time of need.

But hey, conservative capitalists would rather profit off of human suffering than alleviating it, so there's that.

Yeah, that's the feeling I'm getting as well.

Illegals aren't humans. They are something less. Sort of like saying white people... and just blacks. Something else, something lesser.

There are many non-US citizens that are here legally:

Tourists

Green card holders aka Resident Aliens aka permanent resident.

Various other US visa holders that allow foreigners to stay and work here.

My mother-in-law was a Resident Alien. On her own, she qualified for Medicaid (no income, elderly).

The problem here is posters are confusing health care with emergency care. In the US, everyone is entitled to emergency care, even illegals. It's a federal law. However, other aspects of health care such as chemotherapy are not included under that umbrella.

I agree.

I think tourists on vacation should be treated if there is an emergency, but i don't want to pay for a health plan for them.

Elites get tax cuts up the ying-yang and Trump golfs using my taxpayer money.

But yes, lets complain about some sick guy getting healthcare because they're not a citizen.

Shows the priorities of the faux americans. Time to kick them out.

Why are we paying for other countries citizens health care?

Do you read coloring books?

Why do our citizens go to other countries to get affordable healthcare? Because they can't afford it here.

The biggest thing that bothers me about these debates is that people think they have the right to spend other people’s money. Think the rich should pay more in taxes? Vote for a candidate that will do that. But sitting here and debating that illegals should get healthcare and the rich should pay for it is beyond stupid. There are other, more realistic ways to get the funding than going after people with wealth.

So we should pay for other countries health care?

lol wut

@zaryia: Not to pay for undocumented immigrants though.

Please post a link where most Americans support that.

California is already the poorest state in the nation so it doesn't seem like a wise choice for the biggest moocher in the nation. They want to give money they don't have. Blue states also spend the most on Welfare. So it appears they have the real moochers. No need for federal funds because they tax the shit out of the rich in their state to pay for it!

https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/states-that-spend-the-most-on-welfare

I never said all Americans support that. But they do support Dems on healthcare in general, solidly.

On average Red states are more poor (higher poverty, lower income, lower gdp) and bigger moochers (use the most dollars but least tax contributions). CA doesn't have this combo, while they spend a lot at least they have an insane GDP/TAX.

Red states are the takers, Blue states are the makers.

Red State Voters are Socialist Moochers

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/04/democrats-can-look-forward-to-the-coming-republican-era-being-a-disaster-for-republican-voters/?utm_term=.c4fc9c2d7876

AP FACT CHECK: Blue high-tax states fund red low-tax states

https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

FACT: Red States are ‘takers’ – Blue States are givers – GOP tax cuts hurt their own

https://egbertowillies.com/2018/06/22/states-red-takers-blue-givers-tax-cuts/

The 15 (mostly red) states that mooch the most off New Jersey taxpayers

https://www.nj.com/politics/2018/04/the_15_mostly_red_states_mooching_the_most_off_new_jersey_taxpayers.html

More likely the middle class is paying.

You'll never stop people from murdering other people. Might as well just make it legal and support it. It's probably cheaper right?

@zaryia: So no proof they support healthcare for undocumented immigrants? That's what this topic is about so stay on it.

California is worse then any red state. They are the poorest state in the nation.

https://fee.org/articles/california-has-the-highest-poverty-rate-in-america-why/?gclid=CjwKCAjwuqfoBRAEEiwAZErCsif-pZJbMnj72kYgjzzTO6pPbZEngJ5u4eTbi_MFe6KA0_sGAUW2PRoCp8QQAvD_BwE

Also do you read your links? Red states use that money for bridges, roads. schools. Blue states use them for welfare. So actually yes bluestates are the moochers. Most big businesses are in blue states. It's the only reason they have higher GDP. It doesn't change the fact 8 out of 10 welfare states are blue.

Indisputable fact.. blue states are socialist welfare states.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/states-that-spend-the-most-on-welfare

Also:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/10-states-spend-most-least-090000541.html

Straw-man #1. I never made that claim. I'm not going to provide proof for a claim I do not support.

Straw-man #2. I wasn't debating which state is the poorest (Although Red states on average are more poor than Blue states).

I was debating which states are the moochers. As in which states spend the most yet make the least (in both taxes and GDP). That would be red states, by far. This isn't refutable.

• Red State Voters are Socialist Moochers
• AP FACT CHECK: Blue high-tax states fund red low-tax states
• FACT: Red States are ‘takers’ – Blue States are givers – GOP tax cuts hurt their own
• The 15 (mostly red) states that mooch the most off New Jersey taxpayers

The above data is 100% Factual. This includes all 50 states and all aid programs, not just a silly top 10 lists of one program as you listed. High GDP High tax Blue states fund Low GDP low tax Red States. Red states on average spend more on social aid programs.

Red state are the takers, Blue states are the makers. Going by ALL known DATA.

In 2015, for example, New Jersey got back only 74 cents in federal spending for every tax dollar its inhabitants sent to Washington, according to the Rockefeller Institute of Government. New York got back 81 cents on the dollar, Connecticut 82 cents and Massachusetts 83 cents.

But when you turn to the red states, it's the opposite. Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar that its inhabitants sent to Washington. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky: $1.90 and South Carolina $1.71.

Taking the Trump administration's expansive view of the meaning of "welfare" to its logical conclusion to include all those benefiting from federal spending, this means blue states are sending welfare to red states -- the same red states that say they don't like welfare.

'Red State Socialism' graphic says GOP-leaning states get lion's share of federal dollars

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/

Many GOP-leaning states get more in federal funding than they contribute in federal taxes.

That's the point made by a graphic that’s circulating on the Internet, titled "Red State Socialism." A reader recently pointed us to it and asked us to check it out. The chart suggests that Republicans are hypocritical for bashing the federal government and federal spending, when Republican-leaning states are reaping the lion’s share of federal dollars.

New Study Finds 14 of The 15 Biggest ‘Moocher States’ Are Republican Controlled

As much as red states hate the federal government, they never complain about the level of other taxpayers’ dollars the feds send to Republican states to accommodate state laws that keep wages low, poor people hungry and unhealthy, and state income and corporate tax rates lower than the rest of the nation. In fact, it is reasonable to compare American taxpayers feeding, housing, and providing healthcare for Walmart employees barely surviving on low slave wages to red states inordinately collecting federal tax dollars to make up for low state tax rates primarily benefitting corporations and wealthy residents.

STOP MOOCHING, SOCIALIST SCUMBAG!

P.S. Why were you banned BlackHairedHero?

@zaryia: Republicans love socialism when it means others are paying for them.

@zaryia: That's not a Strawman that's the very topic the TC posted. Your entire argument is a Strawman if you can't prove that most people support healthcare for illegal immigrants. Any argument after that is worthless. Again stay on topic.

A moocher is the defenition of being on Welfare. Blue states are the welfare states, Thus blue states are the moocher states. Receiving federal funding for infrastructure isn't mooching. Wellfare is the defenition of socialist and mooching and that's all on blue states.

And no.. on average based off current poverty rates half of the top 10 poorest states are blue states.

http://www.aei.org/publication/suppose-you-live-in-americas-most-liberal-state-now-suppose-you-live-in-the-state-known-as-poverty-capital-of-america-but-i-repeat-myself/

Your opinion peace's are noted but it doesn't change the facts.

PS: I'm also not a socialist scumbag and I never claimed to be a Blackhairedhero.

All studies and fact checking sources on this matter disagree with you, BlackHairedHero. There is no official data set that shows the opposite.

Red States are the Moocher States going by literally all data on this topic. They use the most Federal aid per person yet pay the least taxes and have the least GDP. Please stop attempting to alter reality BHH. Those Blue states you keep whining about pay for themselves, where as Red States DEPEND on BLUE STATE FUNDING. Whether you like it or not, USA has some strong "socialist" policies. Ones that benefit Red States far more:

AP FACT CHECK: Blue high-tax states fund red low-tax states

THE FACTS: https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

Connecticut residents paid an average of $15,643 per person in federal taxes in 2015, according to a report by the Rockefeller Institute of Government. Massachusetts paid $13,582 per person, New Jersey paid $13,137 and New York paid $12,820. California residents paid an average of $10,510.

At the other end, Mississippi residents paid an average of $5,740 per person, while West Virginia paid $6,349, Kentucky paid $6,626 and South Carolina paid $6,665. Low-tax red states also fare better when you take into account federal spending.

Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar the state sent to Washington in 2015, according to the Rockefeller study. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky got $1.90 and South Carolina got $1.71.

Meanwhile, New Jersey received 74 cents in federal spending for tax every dollar the state sent to Washington. New York received 81 cents, Connecticut received 82 cents and Massachusetts received 83 cents.

California fared a bit better than other blue states. It received 96 cents for every dollar the state sent to Washington. On average, states received $1.14 in federal spending for every tax dollar they sent to Washington. That’s why the federal government has a budget deficit.

Red state are the takers, Blue states are the makers. Going by ALL known DATA.

In 2015, for example, New Jersey got back only 74 cents in federal spending for every tax dollar its inhabitants sent to Washington, according to the Rockefeller Institute of Government. New York got back 81 cents on the dollar, Connecticut 82 cents and Massachusetts 83 cents.

But when you turn to the red states, it's the opposite. Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar that its inhabitants sent to Washington. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky: $1.90 and South Carolina $1.71.

Taking the Trump administration's expansive view of the meaning of "welfare" to its logical conclusion to include all those benefiting from federal spending, this means blue states are sending welfare to red states -- the same red states that say they don't like welfare.

FACT CHECK: 'Red State Socialism' graphic says GOP-leaning states get lion's share of federal dollars

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/

Many GOP-leaning states get more in federal funding than they contribute in federal taxes.

That's the point made by a graphic that’s circulating on the Internet, titled "Red State Socialism." A reader recently pointed us to it and asked us to check it out. The chart suggests that Republicans are hypocritical for bashing the federal government and federal spending, when Republican-leaning states are reaping the lion’s share of federal dollars.

New Study Finds 14 of The 15 Biggest ‘Moocher States’ Are Republican Controlled

As much as red states hate the federal government, they never complain about the level of other taxpayers’ dollars the feds send to Republican states to accommodate state laws that keep wages low, poor people hungry and unhealthy, and state income and corporate tax rates lower than the rest of the nation. In fact, it is reasonable to compare American taxpayers feeding, housing, and providing healthcare for Walmart employees barely surviving on low slave wages to red states inordinately collecting federal tax dollars to make up for low state tax rates primarily benefitting corporations and wealthy residents.

The evidence is overwhelming. Why are you trying to say all available facts and data on this topic are wrong?

If you live in a Red State you are a socialist scumbag. Sorry bro. Facts are facts. They also love socialism for Farmers, as Trump has shown.

Trump's Road to Socialism

"After all, Trump’s tariffs are not only a new tax for Americans, but a policy of directly picking winners and losers in the economy. The interests of steel workers, for example, are being placed above the interest of consumers and farmers. This leads to the government using tax dollars to prop up farmers. Of course this spending means that tax-paying consumers are hit yet again, with their tax dollars being used for this new welfare program.

Government interventionism doesn’t simply stop there. The natural result of these new government barriers is for businesses to seek ways around them, such as Harley’s decision to move some manufacturing to Europe. This, of course, sparked backlash from President Trump, threatening further retaliation for such a move. As we've seen time and time again, the more Trump digs in to his support for protectionism, the more he will seek to interfere with the actions of individual companies."

Indeed. They'll pretend they hate handouts, even though they mooch the most of said handouts.

It's a real nasty political party.

Please continue losing this debate here and stop ruining the other thread, Black Haired Hero.

@zaryia: You used broad state data to imply Republicans are moochers.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/

We now know this is false. Spin it all you want you lost.

Democrats 2x more likely to be on wellfare and food stamps.

End of discussion! Democrats are the moochers.

TIL foodstamps is the only way to mooch.

We were talking about Federal Aid (or the Federal Dollar or Federal Handouts, whatever you want to call it) which isall programs. Not just Food Stamps or TANF (which account for less than 1%). Strawman Argument/Goal Post Move. You lost.

1. Food stamp are a very small percent of federal dependency expenditures. Red States, by far, are more federally dependent. Each person in these states get far more than what they put in. Blue states provide for Red states. Red states spend more and give back less, that's the definition of mooching.

I'm not sure why we are debating readily known fact checked facts:

• https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/
• https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/sns-201811121300--tms--amvoicesctnav-a20181112-20181112-column.html
• https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

In 2015, for example, New Jersey got back only 74 cents in federal spending for every tax dollar its inhabitants sent to Washington, according to the Rockefeller Institute of Government. New York got back 81 cents on the dollar, Connecticut 82 cents and Massachusetts 83 cents.

But when you turn to the red states, it's the opposite. Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar that its inhabitants sent to Washington. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky: $1.90 and South Carolina $1.71.

2. Even for just Food Stamps, those states pay much higher taxes and have a much higher GDP. That's not mooching. The above (1) is mooching.

Getting the last post in with a fallacy isn't winning a debate. Every single verified source and data point on this topic agrees with me. That's winning a debate.

@zaryia:

1. We were never talking about what states get the most federal aid. This again is an imaginary argument you pulled out of thin air. The topic of the thread is about how California Democrats want to pay for the healthcare of illegals. Odd choice since they are already the poorest state in the US. You then used broad state data and said red states are the biggest moochers. To imply Republicans are more likely to be moochers when in fact we clearly know now that's not the case. And that blue states, specifically Democrats are far more likely to be moochers. This is an undeniable fact.

Blue states spend far more on wellfare.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/features/states-that-spend-the-most-on-welfare

Democrats are over 2x likely to receive government benefits

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/

So we know now without question blue states and specifically democrats are the party of moochers.

All your data shows is that red states get federal aid( mostly for infrastructure). Which is understandable since people pay such high taxes in blue states. It would make sense they would need less federal aid. But if blue states would stop spending so much money perhaps they wouldn't have the worse debt.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gobankingrates.com/making-money/economy/states-with-the-most-debt/amp/

So let's have a recap of what happened. You tried to turn a thread about Democrats wanting to pay for illegal immigrants into a thread about red states receiving federal aid to imply that Republicans are moochers.

When in fact every reliable source including Pew Research the largest independent research source shows the following.

1. Blue states spend the most on wellfare

2. Democrats are 2x more likely to receive government benefits

3. 9 of the top 10 states with the worse debt are blue states.

You got destroyed son.. seriously you should have just took your loss the first time.

LIAR! Yes we were! Your entire debating style revolves around literally pages of straw-man arguments after losing a debate.

This was the first post that started the Moocher "debate"

And the article dealt with all Federal Aid to states. Not just 1% of it, which you oddly keep deflecting to. My entire point was Red Voters cry and cry about other people getting federal aid they don't like but hypocritically use by far the most total federal aid that they do like.

I then used multiple articles to further prove this fact on Federal Aid as the debate continued.

As much as red states hate the federal government, they never complain about the level of other taxpayers’ dollars the feds send to Republican states to accommodate state laws that keep wages low, poor people hungry and unhealthy, and state income and corporate tax rates lower than the rest of the nation. In fact, it is reasonable to compare American taxpayers feeding, housing, and providing healthcare for Walmart employees barely surviving on low slave wages to red states inordinately collecting federal tax dollars to make up for low state tax rates primarily benefitting corporations and wealthy residents.

You WIN! Democrats use the most of that 1% of federal aid that goes to STAMP and TANF. Horray! Guess who uses the most of that other 99% per person and pays the least back?

The most Federally Dependent states are Red. They also give the least tax revenue back at the same time. Infrastructure is extremely important for the daily lives of citizens of those shit-hole states. You can't just randomly exclude facts you don't like.

There is no way around it. You lost this debate. The only way you don't lose this debate is if we change the subject to only STAMP and TANF, which is less than 1% of Federal Funding for states....

In 2015, for example, New Jersey got back only 74 cents in federal spending for every tax dollar its inhabitants sent to Washington, according to the Rockefeller Institute of Government. New York got back 81 cents on the dollar, Connecticut 82 cents and Massachusetts 83 cents.

But when you turn to the red states, it's the opposite. Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar that its inhabitants sent to Washington. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky: $1.90 and South Carolina $1.71.

FACT CHECK: 'Red State Socialism' graphic says GOP-leaning states get lion's share of federal dollars

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/

Many GOP-leaning states get more in federal funding than they contribute in federal taxes.

That's the point made by a graphic that’s circulating on the Internet, titled "Red State Socialism." A reader recently pointed us to it and asked us to check it out. The chart suggests that Republicans are hypocritical for bashing the federal government and federal spending, when Republican-leaning states are re

Red States depend on Blue state funds, while giving very little back.

Moochers.

@n64dd: Can you let @Zaryia know what the topic of this thread is about? He seems confused.

I was calling out the hypocricy of Red voters who cry about federal handouts while using the most federal dollars.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/

Many GOP-leaning states get more in federal funding than they contribute in federal taxes.

That's the point made by a graphic that’s circulating on the Internet, titled "Red State Socialism." A reader recently pointed us to it and asked us to check it out. The chart suggests that Republicans are hypocritical for bashing the federal government and federal spending, when Republican-leaning states are reaping the lion’s share of federal dollars.

Don't cry about handouts you subjectively don't like while objectively benefiting the most from federal handouts.

This isn't complex.

@zaryia:

Again stop trying to weasel your way out of this. You posted that irrelevant link to imply that red states and therefore Republicans were moochers... and you quickly got destroyed .

Again we know Blue states do the following

1. Spend the most on wellfare

2. Democrats are 2x more likely to receive federal aid.

3. Have the most debt.( that means they spend more then they make)

Also your 1% number is a lie... again do you read your links?

https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/policy-basics-where-do-our-federal-tax-dollars-go

It's 9% actually and Democrats are 2x more likely to take the benefits.

Face it you lost. Democrats are the moochers. Taxing their own people into poverty to receive less federal aid doesn't change that!

That's multiple programs, not just food SNAP and TANF. TANF by itself is 1%. Also, this isn't helping your case either way. This still puts Red states far ahead of Blue states for Federal Spending, as all known data shows.

And they mostly get that from Blue States.

Red states use by far the most federal aid and pay the least back. Blue states Fund Red States. All studies and fact checking sources on this matter disagree with you, BlackHairedHero. There is no official data set that shows the opposite.

Red States are the Moocher States going by literally all data on this topic. They use the most Federal aid per person yet pay the least taxes and have the least GDP. Please stop attempting to alter reality BHH. Those Blue states you keep whining about pay for themselves, where as Red States DEPEND on BLUE STATE FUNDING. Whether you like it or not, USA has some strong "socialist" policies. Ones that benefit Red States far more:

AP FACT CHECK: Blue high-tax states fund red low-tax states

THE FACTS: https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

Connecticut residents paid an average of $15,643 per person in federal taxes in 2015, according to a report by the Rockefeller Institute of Government. Massachusetts paid $13,582 per person, New Jersey paid $13,137 and New York paid $12,820. California residents paid an average of $10,510.

At the other end, Mississippi residents paid an average of $5,740 per person, while West Virginia paid $6,349, Kentucky paid $6,626 and South Carolina paid $6,665. Low-tax red states also fare better when you take into account federal spending.

Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar the state sent to Washington in 2015, according to the Rockefeller study. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky got $1.90 and South Carolina got $1.71.

Meanwhile, New Jersey received 74 cents in federal spending for tax every dollar the state sent to Washington. New York received 81 cents, Connecticut received 82 cents and Massachusetts received 83 cents.

California fared a bit better than other blue states. It received 96 cents for every dollar the state sent to Washington. On average, states received $1.14 in federal spending for every tax dollar they sent to Washington. That’s why the federal government has a budget deficit.

Red state are the takers, Blue states are the makers. Going by ALL known DATA.

In 2015, for example, New Jersey got back only 74 cents in federal spending for every tax dollar its inhabitants sent to Washington, according to the Rockefeller Institute of Government. New York got back 81 cents on the dollar, Connecticut 82 cents and Massachusetts 83 cents.

But when you turn to the red states, it's the opposite. Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar that its inhabitants sent to Washington. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky: $1.90 and South Carolina $1.71.

Taking the Trump administration's expansive view of the meaning of "welfare" to its logical conclusion to include all those benefiting from federal spending, this means blue states are sending welfare to red states -- the same red states that say they don't like welfare.

FACT CHECK: 'Red State Socialism' graphic says GOP-leaning states get lion's share of federal dollars

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/

Many GOP-leaning states get more in federal funding than they contribute in federal taxes.

That's the point made by a graphic that’s circulating on the Internet, titled "Red State Socialism." A reader recently pointed us to it and asked us to check it out. The chart suggests that Republicans are hypocritical for bashing the federal government and federal spending, when Republican-leaning states are reaping the lion’s share of federal dollars.

New Study Finds 14 of The 15 Biggest ‘Moocher States’ Are Republican Controlled

As much as red states hate the federal government, they never complain about the level of other taxpayers’ dollars the feds send to Republican states to accommodate state laws that keep wages low, poor people hungry and unhealthy, and state income and corporate tax rates lower than the rest of the nation. In fact, it is reasonable to compare American taxpayers feeding, housing, and providing healthcare for Walmart employees barely surviving on low slave wages to red states inordinately collecting federal tax dollars to make up for low state tax rates primarily benefitting corporations and wealthy residents.

The evidence is overwhelming. Why are you trying to say all available facts and data on this topic are wrong?

Black Haired Hero. We, why are you deflecting to a fraction of the fraction (1-9%) of Spending?

Why do you always goal post move and straw-man when losing?

@zaryia:

Democrats are more likely to be moochers: by 2x.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/12/the-politics-and-demographics-of-food-stamp-recipients/

See valid source above. Democrats are the party of moochers. That was my argument. I never talked about what states received the most federal aid. That's a Strawman argument.

You getting the last post doesn't change this. Stop making up claims that I never made.

Democrats are the moochers. Broad state data doesn't change the fact.

Who's more likely to mooch? I say Democrats. That's my argument.

Blue states should make up most if the federal funds because their supporters are 2x more likely to receive it.

Your arguments are the defenition of a Strawman. Democrats are the party of moochers end of discussion.

That's less than 9% of the Federal Funds to a state. 1% for the main Program you are crying about. The lion's share goes to Red States, who don't pay it back and depend on Blue States. States with mostly RED VOTERS.

You lost this one, own up.

New Study Finds 14 of The 15 Biggest ‘Moocher States’ Are Republican Controlled

As much as red states hate the federal government, they never complain about the level of other taxpayers’ dollars the feds send to Republican states to accommodate state laws that keep wages low, poor people hungry and unhealthy, and state income and corporate tax rates lower than the rest of the nation. In fact, it is reasonable to compare American taxpayers feeding, housing, and providing healthcare for Walmart employees barely surviving on low slave wages to red states inordinately collecting federal tax dollars to make up for low state tax rates primarily benefitting corporations and wealthy residents.

Federal Anti-Poverty Programs Primarily Help the GOP's Base

Republicans want to shrink government. But their core voters benefit from assistance, like the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, the most.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/gop-base-poverty-snap-social-security/516861/

@zaryia: You do realize Democrats live in red states as well?

And are 2x more likely to mooch?

Stop calling Republicans moochers we now know without question Democrats are the moochers regardless of what state their in.

They want to shrink government so they don't end up like blue states with the worse debt. 9 of the top 10 are deep blue.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gobankingrates.com/making-money/economy/states-with-the-most-debt/amp/

Also you claimed Republicans use 99% of the tax funds? Citation needed please.

We know Blue states spend far more on Medicaid which is 26% of that pie.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/top-10-states-for-medicaid-spending?slide=10

We know they use more safety net programs which is 9%. And we know 15% is military budget which is neutral. So where do you get this 99% from?

Again I ask you? Why be like blue states when they have the highest debt and their supporters are far more likely to mooch? Taxing your own people in your state to pay for shit you can't afford doesn't mean your not a moocher.

Pay for your own stuff and stop being a bum.

Uh huh,

Federal Anti-Poverty Programs Primarily Help the GOP's Base

Republicans want to shrink government. But their core voters benefit from assistance, like the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, the most.

But after accounting for the impact of federal anti-poverty and income-support programs—including Social Security, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (known formerly as food stamps), Supplemental Security Income, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (generally described as welfare), and the earned-income and children’s tax credits—6.2 million of those non-college-educated white adults were raised above the poverty line. That reduced their poverty rate to less than one in seven, and meant that government benefits lifted fully 44 percent of otherwise poor, non-college-educated whites above the poverty line.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/gop-base-poverty-snap-social-security/516861/

FACT CHECK: 'Red State Socialism' graphic says GOP-leaning states get lion's share of federal dollars

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/

Many GOP-leaning states get more in federal funding than they contribute in federal taxes.

That's the point made by a graphic that’s circulating on the Internet, titled "Red State Socialism." A reader recently pointed us to it and asked us to check it out. The chart suggests that Republicans are hypocritical for bashing the federal government and federal spending, when Republican-leaning states are reaping the lion’s share of federal dollars.

AP FACT CHECK: Blue high-tax states fund red low-tax states

https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

In 2015, for example, New Jersey got back only 74 cents in federal spending for every tax dollar its inhabitants sent to Washington, according to the Rockefeller Institute of Government. New York got back 81 cents on the dollar, Connecticut 82 cents and Massachusetts 83 cents.

But when you turn to the red states, it's the opposite. Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar that its inhabitants sent to Washington. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky: $1.90 and South Carolina $1.71.

Taking the Trump administration's expansive view of the meaning of "welfare" to its logical conclusion to include all those benefiting from federal spending, this means blue states are sending welfare to red states -- the same red states that say they don't like welfare.

High blue voter states got less back, but gave a lot. High red voter states got more back, but gave little.

Keep living off that blue gold. Take it all, give nothing back. Have crap GDP to boot. MOOCH BABY MOOCH.

@zaryia:

Oh I don't mooch I don't have any federal programs that help me... But I'm also not a Democrat.

https://www.pewresearch.org/

"Overall, a Pew Research Center survey conducted late last year found that about one-in-five Americans (18%) has participated in the food stamp program, formally known as the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. About a quarter (26%) lives in a household with a current or former food stamp recipient.

Of these, about one-in-five (22%) of Democrats say they had received food stamps compared with 10% of Republicans. About 17% of political independents say they have received food stamps."

If only those Democrats would stop mooching in red states!

And blue gold? They have no money left!

https://smartasset.com/credit-cards/states-with-the-most-debt

And it appears blue states are generally run worse.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/95207486

Snap is a very small % of Federal Aid.

The Lion's Share of Federal Aid goes to Red States.

Federal Anti-Poverty Programs Primarily Help the GOP's Base

Republicans want to shrink government. But their core voters benefit from assistance, like the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, the most.

But after accounting for the impact of federal anti-poverty and income-support programs—including Social Security, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (known formerly as food stamps), Supplemental Security Income, Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (generally described as welfare), and the earned-income and children’s tax credits—6.2 million of those non-college-educated white adults were raised above the poverty line. That reduced their poverty rate to less than one in seven, and meant that government benefits lifted fully 44 percent of otherwise poor, non-college-educated whites above the poverty line.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/gop-base-poverty-snap-social-security/516861/

FACT CHECK: 'Red State Socialism' graphic says GOP-leaning states get lion's share of federal dollars

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/

Many GOP-leaning states get more in federal funding than they contribute in federal taxes.

That's the point made by a graphic that’s circulating on the Internet, titled "Red State Socialism." A reader recently pointed us to it and asked us to check it out. The chart suggests that Republicans are hypocritical for bashing the federal government and federal spending, when Republican-leaning states are reaping the lion’s share of federal dollars.

AP FACT CHECK: Blue high-tax states fund red low-tax states

https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

In 2015, for example, New Jersey got back only 74 cents in federal spending for every tax dollar its inhabitants sent to Washington, according to the Rockefeller Institute of Government. New York got back 81 cents on the dollar, Connecticut 82 cents and Massachusetts 83 cents.

But when you turn to the red states, it's the opposite. Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar that its inhabitants sent to Washington. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky: $1.90 and South Carolina $1.71.

Taking the Trump administration's expansive view of the meaning of "welfare" to its logical conclusion to include all those benefiting from federal spending, this means blue states are sending welfare to red states -- the same red states that say they don't like welfare.

High blue voter states got less back, but gave a lot. High red voter states got more back, but gave little.

@zaryia: You keep posting the same links but fail to read anything. That may be why you keep making the same dumb arguments.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/slideshows/top-10-states-for-medicaid-spending?slide=11

That's 26% of the pie and dominated by blue states. Then they use 9% on safety blanket programs as well.

Again where is the 99% of federal funds used by Republicans? You're not weasling your way out of this. Again this is largely irrelevant because it's a Strawman created by you to talk about federal funds per a state. But since you want to talk about that we need to mention that blue states are broke!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1836603/amp

My argument is Democrats are more likely to be moochers and my link's are concrete.

My original claim was Red States use the most federal and and give the least back, which makes them moochers. I used the AP-Fact Check in my first post. This claim is still 100% factually accurate, until you can disprove AP. I'm going to keep posting my fact checking sites and studies that are saying exactly what I'm saying until you refute them. Republicans are hypocritical for bashing federal spending in Blue States when Red States use the most federal spending (by far) and giving very little back in comparison.

Anything else is a goal post move or straw-man.

"Yes, that's right. Red States — the ones governed by folks who think government is too big and spending needs to be cut — are a net drain on the economy, taking in more federal spending than they pay out in federal taxes. They talk a good game, but stick Blue States with the bill."

Posting a red-herring that shows Democrats used more of a 1% program isn't proving me wrong, I mentioned all Federal Aid in my very first post on this topic. Red States benefit the most.

https://www.apnews.com/2f83c72de1bd440d92cdbc0d3b6bc08c

In 2015, for example,New Jersey got back only 74 cents in federal spending for every tax dollar its inhabitants sent to Washington, according to the Rockefeller Institute of Government. New York got back 81 cents on the dollar, Connecticut 82 cents and Massachusetts 83 cents.

But when you turn to the red states, it's the opposite. Mississippi received $2.13 for every tax dollar that its inhabitants sent to Washington. West Virginia received $2.07, Kentucky: $1.90 and South Carolina $1.71.

Taking the Trump administration's expansive view of the meaning of "welfare" to its logical conclusion to include all those benefiting from federal spending, this means blue states are sending welfare to red states -- the same red states that say they don't like welfare.

Many GOP-leaning states get more in federal funding than they contribute in federal taxes.

That's the point made by a graphic that’s circulating on the Internet, titled "Red State Socialism." A reader recently pointed us to it and asked us to check it out. The chart suggests that Republicans are hypocritical for bashing the federal government and federal spending, when Republican-leaning states are reaping the lion’s share of federal dollars.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/26/blog-posting/red-state-socialism-graphic-says-gop-leaning-state/

By the way, even when we do look at those programs where Blue States get more benefit, you have to remember those Blue States aren't being funded by Red States and actually pay their share. While getting less back in return than Red States.

That's not mooching.

@zaryia: Again I never made any argument about broad state data. I know the only reason you used that data was to imply that Republicans in general are moochers based off state funds. Was this not your argument? Do you acknowledge that those that are Democrats are far more likely to be moochers?

We know that the vast majority of safety blanket programs Wellfare and Foodstamps are used by Democrats. We also know Democrats use far more Medicaid and Medicare. That makes your claim of red states using 99% of the funds False! It also proves without question that Democrats not Republicans( regardless of what state they live in) are far more likely to mooch.

You also seem to not really know what mooching is. Blue states mooch off their own citizens by taxing them into oblivion. It's the reason deep blue states are Broke!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailywire.com/news/7619/9-most-bankrupt-states-america-yours-list-aaron-bandler%3famp

Why do you keep ignoring this? They have spent more money and used more programs to the point that they are In massive debt.

Mooching off your own citizens is still mooching.

And it's odd that 9 out 10 of these states are deep blue.

Hmm.....

30 Republican-controlled legislatures

18 Democratic-controlled legislatures

2 Split legislatures[1]

50 Total

But funny meme again Zar.

If not the citizens, who are going to pay what it cost to run the state?