Antifa and The Proud Boys (founded by Gavin McInnes) engage in brawls in New York and Portland

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Street beatings and melees broke out on both coasts this weekend during confrontations involving the Proud Boys and antifascists — ideologically opposed movements that both condone political violence and practice it with some regularity on their opponents.

Police in New York and Portland are investigating viral videos of the attacks but have not yet blamed either group. New York’s Democratic mayor, governor and attorney general, however, have accused the Proud Boys of instigating the weekend’s first act of violence. (Representatives for the Proud Boys could not immediately be reached.)

Authorities must review these videos immediately and make arrests and prosecute as appropriate. Hate cannot and will not be tolerated in New York.

New York, Friday

Gavin McInnes, who founded the Proud Boys in 2016 as a nationalist men’s club, was scheduled to speak at the Metropolitan Republican Club that evening about “Deep State Socialists” and “Western Values” — common themes for his group.

After the speech, about two dozen Proud Boys emerged from the club to find a similarly sized group of protesters waiting to confront them, including antifascists, as seen in cellphone videos. While antifascists, or “antifa” activists, are more loosely organized than the hierarchical, uniformed Proud Boys, both groups consider each other dangerous to U.S. society and condone violence to defend their notions of it.

“I recognized one” of the antifascists, McInnes later told HuffPost, recalling the confrontation. “He stole a Proud Boys MAGA hat and was immediately tuned up.”

Cellphone videos show an unidentified victim writhing on the sidewalk while several men take turns kicking him, and at least a dozen Proud Boys in uniform polo shirts, scream various slurs.

The video ends as police rush in to break up the confrontation.

New York police said the victim refused medical treatment but spoke to investigators, and three people have been charged with assault. The New York Times, however, reported that all three were affiliated with the anti-fascist group, rather than the Proud Boys, leading to confusion and messages from top state Democrats calling for more investigation.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which considers the Proud Boys an extremist group, wrote that its members were joined at the event by “an ultranationalist far-right skinhead crew,” which may have also taken part in the attack caught on video.

Portland, Saturday

The next night, on the other side of the country, Proud Boys were reported among a right-wing group that marched through downtown Portland toward their ideological opponents.

Portland, which has long seen clashes between the far left and far right, has been consumed for two weeks with Black Lives Matter protests over a fatal police shooting in September. Those protests, in turn, provoked right-wing groups when video emerged last weekend of demonstrators blocking traffic and beating on a passing driver’s car.

So on Saturday evening, a conservative group organized a “flash march for Law and Order” — marching toward the downtown plaza where a memorial had been set up for the police shooting victim, Patrick Kimmons.

“We’ve got Proud Boys running security,” one of the organizers said in a Facebook Live stream of the march.

Predictably, the marchers arrived at the plaza to find it full of counterprotesters chanting “Black Lives Matter.” The local antifascist group was among those live-tweeting from that side of Fourth Avenue.

The right-wing marchers paused on the other side of the street, waving U.S. flags and chanting back — “All Lives Matter,” and “U.S.A., U.S.A.!” and eventually shouted threats.

“Respect the memorial and vigil that’s going on over there,” a man with a loudspeaker said, as seen in one of several Facebook Live videos. “But if they come across the street, you gotta do what you gotta do.”

Portland police had apparently been expecting trouble and managed to dissuade it for half an hour or so by lining up in tactical gear along the street.

But after sundown, things kicked off.

The antifascists may have provoked the violence, according to Mike Bivins, a freelance reporter who documented the ensuing melee on Twitter. One of them burned an American flag as the Proud Boys and company were leaving, causing them to return. Another antifascist then doused the entire group with pepper spray, Bivins wrote.

From there, the scene devolved into something like an exponentially larger version of the Manhattan assault.

While it’s hard to tell who is who in cellphone videos, a man stepped out from a sea of red “Make America Great Again” hats and punched someone in the opposite crowd in the face. Various fistfights and scuffles then started, with some people scrambling across the street, slamming into windows or collapsing to the pavement in a flurry of kicks.

A man in a camouflage shirt followed the melee around, spraying liquid into the crowd.

Finally, an armored police officer stepped up and shot foam bullets into the sidewalk, which dispersed the combatants.

In statement sent to The Washington Post on Facebook, a representative for Patriot Prayer, the group that organized the march, said most of the people in the melee were not members but “people who gathered with us as we marched.”

“The Tyranny.of Social Justice and its army of black clad, masked up enforcers is coming to an end,” the statement continued.

“The Police Bureau is aware that people were assaulted during today’s demonstration,” police wrote in a statement afterward. They had made no arrests by Sunday morning but, like their counterparts in New York, continued to investigate copious amounts of amateur footage.

Officers spotted not only pepper spray in the crowd, but also “hard-knuckled gloves, firearms, batons and knives,” police wrote — not to mention flagpoles turned into clubs.

Police did not specify which weapons belonged to which group.

Okay, if we're going to call Antifa terrorists, can we at least say the same for the Proud Boys?

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Yes.

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What kind of name is that?

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I feel like the Gyllenhaal sibling's dad in Family Guy where they're arguing, and I just go in and say how terrible they are.

ANTIFA..."Proud Boys"...I don't care about either one.

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#5  Edited By tjandmia
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Unite the right is the real threat. I don't care about people yelling at one another in the streets, but I care about right-wing terrorists emulating Muslim terrorists and ramming crowds of people with cars.

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@tjandmia: Yep!

@mrbojangles25:See, that's fair enough. Both are scum, but I'm just sick of one side taking all the blame and being the sole side of terrorism, when it's hardly fair.

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Come on, give us the video!

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@nintendoboy16: One side taking the blame? Mass media glorifies Antifa for **** sake.

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@blackhairedhero said:

@nintendoboy16: One side taking the blame? Mass media glorifies Antifa for **** sake.

Shhhh, ignore that.

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@lordlobster said:

What kind of name is that?

They are Incels mostly.

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@blackhairedhero said:

@nintendoboy16: One side taking the blame? Mass media glorifies Antifa for **** sake.

Do they? I thought Antifa were a bunch of violent people. This article doesn't give me reason to believe anything else.

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@nintendoboy16 said:

@tjandmia: Yep!

@mrbojangles25:See, that's fair enough. Both are scum, but I'm just sick of one side taking all the blame and being the sole side of terrorism, when it's hardly fair.

Agreed. I mean both are terrible, but which is the side with the neo-nazis?

It's pretty obvious who is the lesser evil in this case. I just refuse to settle for it. to support it.

@blackhairedhero said:

@nintendoboy16: One side taking the blame? Mass media glorifies Antifa for **** sake.

I've never, ever read anything by "mass media" glorifying ANTIFA. You're making this shit up, or delusional. Seeing left-wing ghosts in the shadows.

Is this all part of the Deep State Agenda as well? I must be one of those brainwashed leftist.

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@mrbojangles25: We all know you are, we just haven't told you yet. :P

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I can't take them seriously with a name like Proud Boys.

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@n64dd said:

I can't take them seriously with a name like Proud Boys.

Come on man............didn't you create the name.......;p

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#16  Edited By Maroxad
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Sounds like Gang Violence,

The Proud Boys have a four-degree initiation process for new members.[15] In the first degree, a recruit must declare "I am a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world."[16]The second degree involves five or more Proud Boys punching the recruit until he names five breakfast cereals. To earn the third degree, the recruit must get a Proud Boy tattoo.[17] The Proud Boys' website says that the fourth degree is reserved for those who have "endured a major conflict related to the cause."[18][19] The Southern Poverty Law Center has said this requires the recruit to get into a physical fight with an Antifa activist at a public rally.[20]

Now it really sounds like gang violence.

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Proud boys? Sounds like some gang in a Fallout game.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@n64dd said:

I can't take them seriously with a name like Proud Boys.

Come on man............didn't you create the name.......;p

I could do better.

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@n64dd said:

I can't take them seriously with a name like Proud Boys.

A. Causing violence and maybe Death

B. Name of Gang

some how I think A has more weight in judgement then B.

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@tryit said:
@n64dd said:

I can't take them seriously with a name like Proud Boys.

A. Causing violence and maybe Death

B. Name of Gang

some how I think A has more weight in judgement then B.

?

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#21  Edited By TryIt
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@n64dd said:
@tryit said:
@n64dd said:

I can't take them seriously with a name like Proud Boys.

A. Causing violence and maybe Death

B. Name of Gang

some how I think A has more weight in judgement then B.

?

You said:

I can't take them seriously with a name like Proud Boys.

I am saying

Causing violence and maybe Death might take precedence of importance over the name of the gang

your being dismissive about a gang because of their name, despite them causing violence.

again...weak sauce

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@zaryia said:
@lordlobster said:

What kind of name is that?

They are Incels mostly.

Aren't Incels usually straight though?

I mean, the Proud Boys logo is literally a cock.

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stupid kids

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@blackhairedhero said:

@nintendoboy16: One side taking the blame? Mass media glorifies Antifa for **** sake.

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@nintendoboy16: Proud boys did nothing wrong, because Antifa instigated the voliolence. Again, you only cheer for one side. The proud boys kicking a man down after winning the fight was wrong, which is why Gavin ordered them to take them down. But of course you, only trust the biased media that only gave you a half truth

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@FireEmblem_Man said:

@nintendoboy16: Proud boys did nothing wrong, because Antifa instigated the voliolence. Again, you only cheer for one side. The proud boys kicking a man down after winning the fight was wrong, which is why Gavin ordered them to take them down. But of course you, only trust the biased media that only gave you a half truth

LOL you must be Republican with your double standards. Can't make this stuff up people........hahahaha.

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@LJS9502_basic said:
@FireEmblem_Man said:

@nintendoboy16: Proud boys did nothing wrong, because Antifa instigated the voliolence. Again, you only cheer for one side. The proud boys kicking a man down after winning the fight was wrong, which is why Gavin ordered them to take them down. But of course you, only trust the biased media that only gave you a half truth

LOL you must be Republican with your double standards. Can't make this stuff up people........hahahaha.

And he did the "but they started it" defense. Something I expect out of CHILDREN when parents break up an argument.

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@FireEmblem_Man: I've only seen videos of several Incel Boys beating and kicking people on the floor. They also yelled anti gay stuff.

Do you have links showing otherwise?

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Are we really splitting hairs? they're both hate groups.

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@n64dd said:

Are we really splitting hairs? they're both hate groups.

no that also would not be accurate.

being a violent activist group does NOT make you a Hate Group. Hate groups are specific to protected classes, its a legal difference that matters

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@n64dd said:

I can't take them seriously with a name like Proud Boys.

LOL it sounds like a gay club band :)

So ya no one takes them seriously.

But @nintendoboy16 It´s funny I never hear you or for that matter most of the other leftists in here taking any distance to ANTIFA or their terrorist activities?

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#32  Edited By TryIt
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@Jacanuk said:
@n64dd said:

I can't take them seriously with a name like Proud Boys.

LOL it sounds like a gay club band :)

So ya no one takes them seriously.

But @nintendoboy16 It´s funny I never hear you or for that matter most of the other leftists in here taking any distance to ANTIFA or their terrorist activities?

nobody takes a violent group seriously because of the name they decided to give themselves?

is that how the FBI decides which gangs to investigate? by the name?

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@tryit:

It's FBI, they are straight up a terrorist group themselves with zero morals. They would fit in perfectly fine.

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@Gatygun said:

@tryit:

It's FBI, they are straight up a terrorist group themselves with zero morals. They would fit in perfectly fine.

The FBI are straight up terrorist group?

wow how times have changed, nobody on the Right would have said that 10 years ago.

what happened?

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My money is on the proud boys, antifa cant fight they just flip trash cans and throw shit

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@jeezers said:

My money is on the proud boys, antifa cant fight they just flip trash cans and throw shit

which is why I find it pathetically hysterical when people on the Right pretend to be afraid of Left wing violence.

They actually say that seriously and expect others to not laugh

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#37  Edited By jeezers
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@tryit: yeah they aren't a big threat, but at the same time they try to act like they are, most of the time they just end up destroying public property, which is still annoying tho, that's why I like watching videos on youtube of them pissing people off and getting thier ass kicked, they are weasels, they aren't fighters, but that's why they use bike locks and clubs , hand to hand they are weak, usually just poor college hipsters that do too many drugs.

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@jeezers said:

@tryit: yeah they aren't a big threat, but at the same time they try to act like they are, most of the time they just end up destroying public property, which is still annoying tho, that's why I like watching videos on youtube of them pissing people off and getting thier ass kicked, they are weasels, they aren't fighters, but that's why they use bike locks and clubs , hand to hand they are weak, usually just poor college hipsters that do too many drugs.

yes as a lefty myself I get that.

which is why people on the right pretending to be a afraid of the violence from the left is just pathetic.

if you can...make that stop because its painful

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@tryit: I can't stop anything bud im just a dude on gamespot lol. Im not even right wing im libertarian, even though the left seems to put us in the exact same box as conservatives.

I think the right wing is exposing antifa as the facists themselves, thats the irony. Even though They are a pretty pathetic group they have been successfully stopping people on the right from speaking at public events. Even though They are cowards wearing ninja masks they still break alot of stuff, throw stuff at people, pepper spray people and burn stuff. They dont scare me, but they definently arent peaceful.

I found,d out about the proud boys on YouTube, they dont push for violance , the are just a very pro American christian biker group. One of,the,main guys called "Tiny" is,pretty,funny guy. The other thing about the proud boys thats funny is they have a pretty diverse group of people, its not like a race group or anything

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@jeezers said:

@tryit: I can't stop anything bud im just a dude on gamespot lol. Im not even right wing im libertarian, even though the left seems to put us in the exact same box as conservatives.

yeah I would.

just do your best to make it stop I dont want to hear the rest.

laterz

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Tiny from the "proud boys" https://youtu.be/g9DUdbtNJyk

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@jeezers: I feel bad for his kid.

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@jeezers said:

@tryit: I can't stop anything bud im just a dude on gamespot lol. Im not even right wing im libertarian, even though the left seems to put us in the exact same box as conservatives.

libertarians are worse if anything

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And he did the "but they started it" defense. Something I expect out of CHILDREN when parents break up an argument.

You like being wrong all the time, Nintendoboy? Because Proud Boys didn't start the fight, NYPD completed their investigation and has footage on who started the scuffle. So your argument is bad and you should feel bad

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@lordlobster: how so? we just want gay couples to able to grow pot, own fire arms, say what ever they want, have the least amount of government control over people as possible. Basically dont bother me I wont bother you. Limited government

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#46  Edited By deactivated-5c2e78cbd8d85
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@lordlobster: how so? we just want gay couples to able to grow pot, own fire arms, say what ever they want, have the least amount of government control over people as possible. Basically dont bother me I wont bother you. Limited government

Well it depends on how radically anti-government you take libertarianism. Most libertarians I've met are pretty much opposed to everything but enforcement of "property rights". It all sounds good until you realise you've just ended up privatising tyranny. Now the private concentrations of power that already exist in society can act with total impunity in nearly every aspect of life. We've actually already had several glimpses in history at what forms this impunity takes, lets just say that it's bad for human rights.

Shut down the government and abolish welfare are two elements of the Proud Boy's platform on their website. So we have an idea of where they stand on all of that.

Ironically so is shutting down the border.

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#47  Edited By deactivated-6068afec1b77d
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@lordlobster: the Proud boys want to shut down the government? Would that mean they are a fringe group?

So, Proud Boys potlical spectrum is anarchism if they don't want a government.

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#48 nintendoboy16
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@FireEmblem_Man: I don't give a DAMN who started the fight and neither should law enforcement. The fact is, Proud Boys were just as much involved in the violence like Antifa were and Gavin McInnes has a RECORD of advocating it, making him basically a terrorist. If you're involved in a crime, it doesn't matter who started it as long as multiple parties are involved. Just like how a parent scolds children during a fight, no matter who started it.

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#49 TryIt
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@lordlobster: how so? we just want gay couples to able to grow pot, own fire arms, say what ever they want, have the least amount of government control over people as possible. Basically dont bother me I wont bother you. Limited government

that reply is so transparent I dont even need rain-x.

just stop

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#50 FireEmblem_Man
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@nintendoboy16: why am I not surprised that your stupid video source comes from Right Wing Watch, that has omitted a ton of clips to smear Gavin McInnes? Why Gavin is endorsing violence? Because when his organization always post on meet ups, there will always be an angry mob following them! Also, learn the definition of Terrorist, if you want to label Terrorists, then label Antifa because they're the ones causing more Terrorist acts for destructing property and instilling fear to common people.

Again, your argument is weak with fake sources