2022 Midterms Election Thread: GOP wins narrow House majority, Democrats hold the Senate. Red Wave fails to materialize.

@Maroxad: The proposals to raise the voting age piss me off sooooooo much. I can't describe in words how ****ed it is to attemp to raise it beyond the age:

To be tried as an adult

To be drafted

To be enter into a binding contract

Gotta make high, be like voting age is 40 or 50 and up. Maybe GOP could win then :P

And the proposals to lower the voter age pisses off everyone else.

Why? Are they not fans of people voting?

So, republicans have officially reached 218 seats which means they've won the house. Democrats currently stand at 211. There's 6 races left and here's where they stand, Levin in CA49 is projected to win his so leave that out.

It would be very interesting to see republicans end up with a one or two person majority and just how difficult it would be for Kevin McCarthy to keep that majority united in the House. I don't envy anyone in that job, frankly, and I think the only person who has been at all good at the job since I've been paying attention to politics has been Nancy Pelosi.

Sadly, not making anything up

https://www.indy100.com/news/brigitte-gabriel-midterm-elections-gen-z

Hard to tell if this is in the fringe or not just yet. But ACT is one of the more prominent right wing groups out there.

That's a random author. No actual government official/ or even politician has said they want to raise the voting age lol

But on the Flipside Democrats are pushing HARD for kids to be able to vote.

Because Democrats rely on low information voters, they want voters who can be manipulated emotionally and children are easy targets.

https://lieu.house.gov/media-center/in-the-news/125-democrats-and-1-republican-vote-lower-voting-age-16

That is the leader of ACT for America. A well known far right group notorious for promoting bigotry against muslims.

@Maroxad: what's her position in the government?

She doesnt have one, but that isn't even remotedly relevant to my argument.

The fact that those sentiments of raising the voting cap were trending is pretty alarming. Enough that it saw quite a bit of coverage. It is likely most republicans still want the voting age at 18. But that doesnt change the reaction we saw coming from the midterms results.

And while I am at it. Voter suppression is far worse than opening up the vote. I don't think 16 year olds should vote, but I would rather have the voting age be at 16, rather than 21. Voter disenfranchisement is a big no-no.

Will GOP focus on Hunter Biden laptop now?

The majority regularly oppose their policy, so yes. Back to scapegoats and identity politics for 2+ years.

What is rumoured to be on it again?

Evidence of dirty dealings for Hunter. Hookers and blow and porn, but more importantly they think it has evidence of shady activity when he was on the board of Burisma. By extension, they hope to prove Joe Biden acted inappropriately while vice president at the time.

Of course, the reality is that the laptop probably doesn't exist (there is 'a' laptop, but evidence Hunter ever owned it is sketchy at best). And even if it did, even someone as zonked out as Hunter probably as the good sense not to save dark money on the harddrive.

It's even less likely you deposit such a dark-dealing laptop in a random repair shop, as opposed to, say, a fire, or nearby compactor.

But it sure does sound spooky and conspiratorial, which is all the red meat needed for MAGA morons to not get bored while the Republican house does jack shit for the next 2 years.

Oh that sounds lovely. I am sure that laptop will provide plenty of fuel to the burning fire for as long as Biden is president.

Really? Several democrats have expressed a desire to lower the voting age to 16. Gotta get kids when they're too stupid to know what they're voting for ya know? Since people learn better as they get older and vote for far left policies at a much lower rate.

what the age that you want? for voting?

Meanwhile a republican congresswoman thinks wanton killing is a Chinese dish.

@firedrakes: 18 is when your considered a legal adult. So 18 is good. If they can serve they can vote.

Yes really.

Because as I said. Neither are good. But Voter Disenfranchisement is a big no-no.

If you are old enough to serve, you are old enough to vote. Hence 18 being good.

But the fact that you are trying to deflect my point, rather than the blatant anti-democratic position of several prominent influencers on the right tells even you agree that raising it to 21 and violating the US constitution is a bad idea. Since instead of trying to defend it, you immediately tried to deflect it.

Your whataboutism failed again.

At least SargentD's defense is perfectly reasonable. But my point ultimately is that I hope Republicans do NOT listen to these people. Not that it is a mainstream position in the GOP.

k. yeah that fine. i know some super craazy far right people want it 21(where talking lizard people/school shooting are fake ones)

Screaming "whataboutism" when someone else calls out hypocrisy doesn't work.

Also, why can't the right to vote have a higher age put on it? How is raising it to 21 disenfranchising people? And what are they being disenfranchised from?

This is stupid, you have to actually catch the poster defending Democrats for wanting to lower the voting age to 16 to say it's hypocrisy. Otherwise it is a whataboutism in an attempt to push the topic away from something that you dislike.

Is this real? This is like explaining stuff to a 11 year old.

By increasing the age to 21 you're disenfranchising people by now letting them vote anymore. It is currently 18 (some down to 16 depending on the election). 🤦‍♂️

Disenfranchised Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

Who Can and Can’t Vote in U.S. Elections | USAGov

Anyone for this is JUST for this because it would make their party win more. Absolutely insane tribalism.

So you're trying to tell me setting an age limit above 18 is denying someone their rights?

Obviously. They currently have the RIGHT to vote.

I'll keep that stance in mind as there are some court cases that may land in front of SCOTUS soon related to people's rights being denied if they're 18-20 years old. So I agree with the premise, however, I apply it to ALL rights, as does the constitution.

You do that, while everyone laughs at you for thinking the two things are alike or directly comparable. Also stay on topic it seems like you're already setting up another derail.

Rights are rights. What is applied to one can be applied to them all. Thinking otherwise is already a derailment on your end.

Ah whataboutism. It's all you have, well that and mis/disinformation. Sums up your entire posting history here.

You need to learn some new words.

Kind of comical how nobody wants to talk about Arizona despite the big events going on there right now in relation to this past election.

Well, it appears that the senate and governor went blue and their House seats are divided, but mostly republican. What events would you like to discuss?

Imagining hypocrisy where there is none is a common trend among those who rely on whataboutism fallacies.

And you seem to be having issues with the 26th amendment.

These sum up Eoten so well

1. Ad Hominem (Attacking others for not being american for instance)
2. Whataboutism
3. Lie
4. Deny

4 things actions define his posts. He could be a pokemon with 4 moves. Might as well give him a passive ability too in the form of ignoring academic papers.

The county which comprises of more than half the voters in the state had catastrophic problems in more than half of the voting stations. Thousands of people had to wait for hours upon hours with many inevitably having to return home or back to work. Counting is STILL going on because of large scales procedural and equipment failures. Do you find this acceptable?

Aah, stop whining. All you know about the US is by what you read online. Not a damn thing reaches you without going through the filters of corporate media interests and I've pointed out several times where you've been completely wrong in your comical assumptions about the US. That's why your opinions on the matter are usually little more than comedy.

Secondly, pointing out hypocritical statements from people like you, or politicians is simply that, pointing out the dishonesty of disingenuous arguments based on criteria not equally applied. Liberals have a tendency to virtue signal and pearl clutch over crap they're equally guilty of, or even more guilty of. Then in a last ditch effort for you people not to face your own hypocrisy on many matters you scream "whataboutism." Sorry dude, that doesn't work.

Lie and deny? ROFLMAO, call me a liar while you whine about ad hominems on the same list... one might call that a double standard but then you'll just whine about whataboutisms.

LOL. I've read his posts and he comes across as more knowledgeable than several so called Americans do. Of course, they're all right leaning so it's no surprise they come in under a foreign individual in knowledge. FYI, you are less educated on American politics than Maroxad.

Imagine trying to defend your actual ad hominem fallacies. As others have pointed out. I am way more prudent about US politics than you are. Aren't you the guy struggling to comprehend 26th amendment itt? The fact that you don't see how barring people from voting is voter disenfranchisement is hilarious.

There is nothing hypocritical in criticizing my opposition to increasing the age range. Hell, the US constitution EXPLICITLY states that 18 is the federal minimum age for voting.

Pointing out that you have a history of lying and denying is not an ad hominem.

It's the typical know-it-all mentality. You think you know everything and so anyone who doesn't agree, must not be telling the truth. But I've lost track of how many stupid comments you've made about US society or culture that doesn't even come close to reality, and then how often you've tried applying that to US politics. An actual intellectual would at least understand that they don't know everything, they would at least recognize that MAYBE someone who has actually voted in a US election might actually know more about the process than someone who has merely read about it. But no, not you, you already know everything and so everyone else is lying.

And by all means, talk about Ukraine all you want. ROFLMAO, the part where you thought there weren't large Neo Nazi groups with authority in Ukraine was funny. You actually believed that was just some Russian lie. Which only proves the point that according to you, a lie is simply something you do not believe.

Hahaha the irony.

Whether you are American, European Brazillian or Chinese, the value of a post comes from the contents of the post, not the background of the person making them. Unfortunately you have a long history of whining when a non-american such as myself comments on US politics.

FYI: There is a reason I warned people that they shouldnt be too certain of a democratic, or republican win in the midterms, or 2020.

And I have pointed out several times that many of your posts when it comes to the US have been without context or understanding, seen through the lens of political advertising. You refuse to believe it and double down on inaccuracies. That's where the problem is. You have way too much ego to consider the information you've been spoon fed could be wrong. You've shown many times you have little understanding on how US elections are conducted, or why, and instead of learning, you simply call everyone a liar who doesn't agree with your spoon fed textbook narrative on the subject.

More iron from you. You get all your information from propaganda sites.

I would raise voting age to 26. Before that your brain is not developed and 98% of people (specially males) are idiots. This

is kind of the threshold in which you can be considered to start being a person.

Before that you are simply a large, sexually developed and occasionally agressive toddler that other people tolerate because they hope age will take the stupid out of you as it happens with most people.

I would also add a maximum age of 70 since by then you are so disengaged with labour and society and well in to cognitive decline you are now are person that should be taken cared of , not a desition maker.

Are you not taxing those individuals then?

@eoten: "The county which comprises of more than half the voters in the state had catastrophic problems in more than half of the voting stations. Thousands of people had to wait for hours upon hours with many inevitably having to return home or back to work. Counting is STILL going on because of large scales procedural and equipment failures. Do you find this acceptable?"

I honestly hadn't heard about it. That said, I find it to be expected when one party, Republicans, has/had a strategy of voter suppression in hopes of capitalizing on decreased access to both mail in ballots and voting booths.

If this strategy bit Republicans in the ass it's basically a "leopards ate my face" situation, no?

@LJS9502_basic: maybe we could compromised by offering free education and healthcare.

No taxation without representation. One of the basis of the country. You cannot disenfranchise people and take their vote away. Also I don't know about you but I could understand political issues at 18.