17 killed in shooting at high school in Parkland, Florida

Seems the shooter was a student who had been expelled

• 17 people were killed, according to officials, both inside and outside Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida
• The shooting started around 2:30 p.m. ET on Wednesday as the fire alarm sounded
• A suspect, Nikolaus Cruz, 19, a former Douglas High student believed to have been armed with a semiautomatic rifle and multiple magazines, is in custody

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Honestly I don't even know what to say about this shit anymore

Fucking crazy people

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It is a horrible situation.

The only good thing about it is that the alleged shooter was taken alive, meaning that he can face questioning and justice.

That won't bring back the 17 that were murdered, but it means he didn't get to take the easy way out like other mass shooters via lead poisoning.

Oh look, another "thoughts and prayers" day, just another in America.

For ****'s sakes....arm the teachers, or hire security guards that are. Implement bulletproof classroom doors and a lock down system with metal detectors at entrances. I'd like to believe schools should be places of peace and learning, but they are now also slaughtering grounds for the biggest cowards to rampage through. Guns will never be eradicated, they are too deeply interwoven into our national identity and cultural heritage, this is not a practical, much less a logistical, possibility. We need to start treating schools as battlegrounds, as that is a hell of a lot more preferable to them functioning as abattoirs.

Sandy Hook was the point of no return. If some nut murdering dozens of babies with an AR-15 couldn't get anything to change, nothing ever will. Our politicians care about the profits of the gun companies lining their pockets. They don't give a crap about our children.

Being reminded about that still makes me super fucking mad, as I pick up a kid from pre-school almost every day and they are so damn cute just playing and being happy.

The GOP are fucked in the head.

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This kid had some fucking serious red flags

"But it's not the time to talk about gun control." - Trumplicans.

Shame. Feel for the families but until we lose this obsession with guns nothing will change.

nothing is ever going to change

If sandy hook didn't change things, nothing will.

Solution: Mandate public school teachers to not only carry, but as part of their teaching requirements train with these weapons multiple times a year to become comfortable and proficient in them. Teachers who do not want to put their student's lives first will have to look for another job or work at a private school. These school shooters are fucking cowards. They only attack people and groups they know are going to be easy targets. If they knew that every public school teacher was mandated to be protectors that can lawfully use deadly force, these already very statistically low school shootings would almost never happen.

Now let me rant about guns, because like all school shootings they become political tools to bitch about guns. The 2nd amendment exists for a reason. It does not exist for collecting guns, for the fun of shooting guns, or for hunting with guns. It exists so that if the government becomes an ACTUAL TYRANNY then the people can rise up en mass and fucking kill the tyrants and reinstate the Constitution. That's it. 17 dead people is nothing compared to millions that would be slaughtered if we (or our children) had to deal with an actual tyrannical US government. By and large, people in this country are soft and weak. They do not like to think about having to defend themselves or others in a life or death situation. Violence and death will never go away, they are inherent to the human experience, so stop cowering and hoping it will go away. It will not. Instead learn to fight, learn to protect yourself, and if you ever find yourself in the awful situation where deadly force is necessary, show them no mercy, because they will surely show you none.

So many red flags.

Principal should be fired for not contacting authorities when he threatened his students.

@ruthaford_jive: I would much rather have the police take cops off of giving traffic tickets and have them at schools instead. I'm a teacher and I really don't like guns. And I can see some way a student will get access to a teacher's gun and that would open up other issues.

You know that would require a constitutional amendment right? Even to make AR-15's illegal. Of course the government finds a way.

Back in my day, we settled our differences with a good old fist fight.

Watch as gun sales increase and gun manufacturers' stock go up. Mass shootings are great for business.

In all seriousness, America has a sick, disgusting obsession with guns, our reluctance to do anything sensible about these annual mass killings reveals a rotten defect in our society.

I'm not willing to sacrifice my rights for a handful of people.

While I can see your logic...common sense says that forcing a gun into every classroom will drastically increase the number of shooting deaths in schools. There might be several fewer mass shootings each year (not that school shooters have shown any sign that they are afraid of being gunned down...), but there'd be accidental or deliberate teacher-on-student/student-on-student shootings all over the place.

I don't buy there would be. There exists technology that won't allow for the firing of a gun if a palm print does not match on the grip. And as for teachers getting fed up and going postal on students? Not at all, and that's why you have a vigorous mental screening before allowing teachers to carry.

I can tell somebody is a fan of The Substitute movies.

Teachers should also solve crimes and take down drug kingpins in their spare time.

Yeah sure, as soon as you pay the teachers an extra $20K per year for hazard pay and training. Also your thesis that the 2nd amendment protects people *from* the government is literally worthless. This isn't the 18th century anymore where military grade firearms and civilian firearms were literally the exact same thing. What exactly is a fucking AR-15 supposed to do against military aircraft, artillery, and main battle tanks? The shit that civilians would actually need to fight those things off are ALREADY restricted. Nobody can just go out and buy high powered AT cannons with sabot rounds, nobody can just buy surface to air missiles, or long range field guns.

No it wouldn't. It is well established that the 2nd amendment doesn't cover ALL guns. Nowhere in this country is it legal for some shitheel to buy themselves an M2 Browning, a grenade launcher, or 3-inch antitank gun for their 18th birthday. The question is strictly over *which* firearms should be regulated, the argument is not over whether or not the government can regulate firearms... because they can. This is already well established in current law.

The 2nd amendment protects your right to own A firearm, not ANY firearm. An outright ban on semiautomatic rifles would not technically break the constitution, in the exact same way that restricting automatics and high-caliber weapons does not break the constitution.

What would be the difference between a semi-auto rifle and a hand gun?

Gotta love the people who think more guns are the answer. The gun culture in America is just so weird.

What would you change?

@n64dd: is this a serious question?

I'm not being a smartass.

What should we change?

It is really sad. I am very sorry for all the innocents who died in this tragic incident.

How would that help the current situation?

Iraqi army had fully automatic weapons, recoilless rifles and artillery, tanks, AA and AT missiles, and a functional air force. Our military dismantled them in about 2 weeks. Even after the military action was over insurgent to US soldier deaths were close to 20:1 with civilian deaths astronomically higher. These would be your wives and children in collateral damage.

If you have fantasies about taking on the US military with your semi auto rifle, you’re clearly too dumb to own it.

I’ll be the guy that submits instantly to our new tyrannical overlords and goes on living my life, all the while ratting out you and your buddies for a cushy government job sorting mail for the new regime.

Did the shooter own a gun legally?

I have a friend on my facebook who said today that he sat his 4 year old down last night to talk about what she needs to do in the event of a school shooting.

I've blocked out names, but this is the conversation going on right now. Read that last post, it's just messed up that people are being instructed to lock babies in closets for safety.

Or a well trained security force. No teachers shouldn't be armed.

@n64dd: that was in regards to you not knowing the difference between handguns and semi automatic rifles.

@LJS9502_basic: I agree.

@Nuck81: Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

What counts as essential? Do universal background checks infringe on "essential liberty"? Does better screening for the mentally ill infringe on it? There's another thread where it seems many are totally cool with mass surveillance in exchange for safety from people suspected of crimes, but because it was about facial recognition glasses and not gun regulation it had very little pushback.

Also, doesn't the "right to life" conflict with the "right to liberty" if the right to liberty means a school shooting every couple of days? Just things to think about.

If the government became tyrannical, over half of the military would probably refuse orders to slaughter locals resisting their tyranny...

@ruthaford_jive: Your solution to the problem of guns is more guns? Fucking hell

I thought non-NRA people only said that ironically as a joke

That would be the only way the population would win...the military would have to stop the tyranny. Citizens aren't equipped to fight a military. No matter what gun wet dreams they have.

@n64dd: like making pull bottles have child safety kids after a toddler accidentally od’d on Tylenol?

Like banning a lawn dart game sold at wall mart after three people were killed?

Like taking your shoes off to get on a a plane? Banning all liquids from being taken on a plane? Banning all knives and blades from a plane? Walking through security and being subject to random body checks before getting on a plane ?

Going through security and the banning of liquids, knives, and blades before getting into sporting events?

Banning of large scale ammonia nitrate sale after Oklahoma City?

But yeah, good talking point sweety.

Maker safer Tylenol bottles is giving up liberty...Can you please make sense?

@n64dd: so you still don’t know the difference between a semi automatic rifle and a handgun?

Good attempt at trolling.