TIME PARADOX! Raiden and Young Big Boss can't CO-EXIST!

There is a TIME PARADOX! Raiden and Young Big Boss can't CO-EXIST in the same game. What the hell Kojima??? is he doing 2 METAL GEARs? Guys how would you explain that?? Famitsu magazine just revealed Raiden and a young Big Boss. They just can't co-exist! WHAT THE HELL?

i think its gray fox since i cant think of how big boss and raiden could be in the same game. what if this is gray fox unmasked how SICK would that be.bigboss2324

dude we're not blind, it's frickin Raiden.

Why can't Raiden just go away? :cry:

Well gray Fox is a Prototype of raiden in MGS1. So is this before Zansaber Incident?If It would be cool and is the only way to do it. Idk how this would happen with raddien and BB in the same game.

man, supposedly Big Boss was burnt to death, then I belived that he was alive as aburnt mushy corpse, but later he was on his feet looking spiffy in his suit (MGS4). If kojima wants to put Big Boss and Raiden together for a mission on the moon he'll write a script somehow for it and you'll eat it up like kobayashi.

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]Uh for those who haven't beat MGS4 turn away now for the rest look below Remember Big Boss was still alive at the end of MGS4, clearly that would mean that they co-existed at the same time. Now with all the stuff going on in MGS like Snake aging so rapidly, its possible that Raiden and a younger Big Boss could have co existed like maybe in the time between MGS2 and MGS4 where he saved Sunny.UOducks521

Easy.

The game will star both characters but in different time settings.

You'll be following both and seeing how the events of one affects the other. That's what I think, anyway...

[QUOTE="UOducks521"][QUOTE="Sepewrath"]Uh for those who haven't beat MGS4 turn away now for the rest look below Remember Big Boss was still alive at the end of MGS4, clearly that would mean that they co-existed at the same time. Now with all the stuff going on in MGS like Snake aging so rapidly, its possible that Raiden and a younger Big Boss could have co existed like maybe in the time between MGS2 and MGS4 where he saved Sunny.Scianix-Black

Easy.

The game will star both characters but in different time settings.

You'll be following both and seeing how the events of one affects the other. That's what I think, anyway...

My guess would be dual story lines in the same game, one about big boss after portable ops, and the other about Raiden before MGS4. Two different stories in the same game but at different periods in time but filling in the story gaps that weren't explored upon.

TimeSplitters: Metal Gear

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Super Metal Gear Partyhazelnutman

Pre-ordering.

[QUOTE="Sepewrath"]Uh for those who haven't beat MGS4 turn away now for the rest look below Remember Big Boss was still alive at the end of MGS4, clearly that would mean that they co-existed at the same time. Now with all the stuff going on in MGS like Snake aging so rapidly, its possible that Raiden and a younger Big Boss could have co existed like maybe in the time between MGS2 and MGS4 where he saved Sunny.UOducks521

What then funk are you talking about?! Are you referencing anything.... (links)

Can the two co-op in the same time period? Yes, but not at the same age. Big Boss is a normal human, so he ages normally, which means that he would only be young within the 19602 and 70s. However, this debunks the theory in one major way:

At the end of Solid Snake, Big Boss was taken by the Patriots and held in a suspended state. It wasn't until Snake destroyed the Patriots AI that Big Boss (with parts taken from Liquid and Solidus) was awakened from his nano-coma. Hence forth, Raiden would have never come in contact with a 'living' Big Boss between Metal Gear Solid 2 and 4.

in mgs 3 which was in 1964 big boss was like what...in his mid twenties or early thirties? in mgs 4 which is in 2014 hes still alive so he doesnt age rapidly like snakebigboss2324

Big Boss has so many clones tho, how can we even know if that is the original Big Boss? Who says its a 'real' image it could be a rendition for Raiden's training as I heard someone speculate before. Maybe Big Boss was using something to suppress the effects of aging up until just before MGS4? We don't know enough right now, and given the Metal Gear storyline there are still endless possibilities.

Can the two co-op in the same time period? Yes, but not at the same age. Big Boss is a normal human, so he ages normally, which means that he would only be young within the 19602 and 70s. However, this debunks the theory in one major way:

At the end of Solid Snake, Big Boss was taken by the Patriots and held in a suspended state. It wasn't until Snake destroyed the Patriots AI that Big Boss (with parts taken from Liquid and Solidus) was awakened from his nano-coma. Hence forth, Raiden would have never come in contact with a 'living' Big Boss between Metal Gear Solid 2 and 4.

Legendaryscmt

Sadly, Kojima can twist what you believe any way he wants to and somehow link a new turn of events to "what really happened". Don't count anything out, not with Kojima.

This is just Kojima messing with us again. Remember right before Mgs4 they released that weird trailer with young solid snake.

Here's the link to the countdown.

http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/next/index.html

You know, you could be right. Maybe raiden is a clone of gray fox

i think its gray fox since i cant think of how big boss and raiden could be in the same game. what if this is gray fox unmasked how SICK would that be.bigboss2324

correct me if im wrong but wasnt solidus the exact clone of BB maybe its not BB's pic that your looking at but solidus. i dont know how solidus and CYBORG raiden would be together but who knows right... well kojima doesriver_rat3117

He was the closest exact clone of big boss but that's not him since his eyepatch is on the wrong eye. So its definitely Big Boss, so my guess would be that it's his appearance after portable ops because there's a huge period of time between then and the original Metal Gear that could yield a number of stories to explore. And Raiden's part in the game would probably be in a different time period than Big Boss's so I don't think people should try to figure out how they would fit in the same time period.

man, supposedly Big Boss was burnt to death, then I belived that he was alive as aburnt mushy corpse, but later he was on his feet looking spiffy in his suit (MGS4). If kojima wants to put Big Boss and Raiden together for a mission on the moon he'll write a script somehow for it and you'll eat it up like kobayashi.

mugwuffin2

Apparently someone translated the Famitsu article and discovered a PSP and PS3 game that interconnect with one another. They say its supposed to be 7 years after MGS4 and that "Big Boss" its actually another clone who starred in MGS 1, 2, and 4. They say his age is deceptive.... I dunno if I believe it but if you guys wanna read it for yourselves.... Check it out!

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i think its gray fox since i cant think of how big boss and raiden could be in the same game. what if this is gray fox unmasked how SICK would that be.bigboss2324

dude we're not blind, it's frickin Raiden.

You are the same guy who thought Big Boss was Solid Snake :P

"im so excited... and i just cant hide it! im about to lose control and i think i like it!"

Well, maybe we're getting two chapters?

We get the time where Big Boss traveled the world after Portable Ops..

Then we get the story of Raiden between MGS2 and MGS4?

Apparently someone translated the Famitsu article and discovered a PSP and PS3 game that interconnect with one another. They say its supposed to be 7 years after MGS4 and that "Big Boss" its actually another clone who starred in MGS 1, 2, and 4. They say his age is deceptive.... I dunno if I believe it but if you guys wanna read it for yourselves.... Check it out!

Nephilim83

Well, that was my first thought when Akiba showed himself. He kinda looked like Snake, but I doubt it.

Theres only two ways i think this could work

either theyre gunna reveal a new portable ops and mgs 5

or they find out theres a new clone of big boss

but the way i think of it is that Kojima has pretty much been able twist his stories from the begininng to make it "make sense" in later games.

for instance SPOILER

in the first metal gear solid i doubt he knew that he'd make the darpa chief end up to be sigint in the third one, to be revealed as the same person in the fourth.

(wow thats sound like no sense) so pretty much theres no way to expect how big boss and raiden will be able to be in the same game based on the information given on the countdown timer

Seriously Agent H this is getting Tiring ... Why not just make one thread and just update the Title ... instead of making like 18 different threads.navstar29

Agent H doesn't have the ability to reason when it comes to anything Kojima related. He'll probably just get banned again like the last time and come back as someone else. Just like around MGS4 :lol:

or they find out theres a new clone of big boss

ShadyPropGuy

I really hope there isn't another clone, I mean 3 was pushing it. And what point would another one serve? Ahhh my head, Kojima your enjoying this aren't you?

Why can't Raiden just go away? :cry:

Silverbond

Why can't Raiden just go away? :cry:

Silverbond

All these discussions - easily the best marketing ploy I've ever seen in my life - genius' at kojima productions