Mouse & Keyboard use in PS3 FPS games

Bummer... I had really hoped I PS3 could replace my old and dying PC for playing FPS games. One can only play the original Counter-Strike for so long. Even BattleField 1942 stutters on my PC.

Thanks for the info and opinions. At least I can keep my expectations in check.

So what does PS3 use the keyboard/mouse for? Is it only for the web browser?

RogueFish

[QUOTE="FootballGamer"][QUOTE="Maxpowers_32"][QUOTE="FootballGamer"][QUOTE="Maxpowers_32"][QUOTE="FootballGamer"][QUOTE="SteelRush"]To those worried about having to play on a desk, you know you can get a lap tray and just put the kb+mouse on that, and game from the couch, with a wireless set. That's what I intend to do.razors_love_me

Actally one of those splitfish controllers may work from my recliner.




FootballGamer

yeah  i just hope they make the PS3 one wireless and ill buy it in a second

alright, time to reopen a dead thread~

i've been looking at everyone's input on the topic, and i find it very entertaining. however, most of you k/m users aren't seeing the real reason why the gamepad users are getting angry. don't get me wrong, i prefer k/m combo for any fps/rts hands down. but that's just what i've been use to for so long.

1) the whole reason why the gamepad users are getting angry is that supposedly k/m are "easier" to use than the gamepad on fps/rts games. and, in fact, they're right. it is easier. but even though it's easy, it's not like anyone can just use a k/m and they're god. it takes time to get  use to everything. i didn't become cal-P in CS just because i use a k/m. and honestly, if cs was designed to use a gamepad, it wouldn't be as intense as it is now. none of those amazing/entertaining 180 degree turning headshots you see in so many cs videos would be around anymore.

2) they're also complaining that if they were to be put up against a k/m user, they have a huge disadvantage. well, if that was the case of me (k/m user) vs. them (controller user) sure, i'd have a huge advantage over them, just because i've used k/m for the longest time and am really good with it. if i were to use a controller, i'd probably get no kills whatsoever. if i had used a gamepad for my fps games for a very long time, things might be different.

3) but then there's people saying "if you don't like using the controllers, stay on the pc." this is where a ton of k/m users get their point in. a pc is really hard to keep updated if you have a short budget. the ps3 has amazing specs, better than most pc users can afford to upgrade to. sony is trying to make a system that rivals pcs, shouldn't it be logical to at least integrate k/m into the few major reasons the pc beats the console? fps, rts, ect?

4) and what is this about wanting to relax, and you can't do that with a k/m? there are some really nice desk chairs out there and they compete with even a recliner. just get one of those dinner trays and you'll be fine.

5) and i noticed that no one talked about this, but what about the fps games and the rts games that AREN'T on the pc. a k/m user can't use his pc to play them if they aren't even there to play. why should k/m users who don't enjoy using the gamepad for fps/rts have to sacrifice their enjoyment for a game because a few gamepad users don't want to use the k/m.

don't get me wrong, i'm not flaming any gamepad users, although, you're arguements a little bland, and really need clarifying, why most of the people here are being really biased and not listening to your real problem. and i'm not saying the k/m users are doing any better at their own arguements, because many of them aren't looking at the big picture. if i have to, i'll use a gamepad. i'd get use to it, and w/e. but personally, i'd probably enjoy the fps/rts better if i could use the k/m for it.

Here's a solution to controller people who don't like K/M. I don't use a mouse for my computer at all. I don't like them for the same reason controller people don't like them. I actually like to sit in my recliner and surf the web without making my back and neck hurt and a mouse makes my hand go numb after like an hour or so.  I also love FPS games and I play them ON MY PC from my recliner without a table or piece of wood across my lap or anything. HOW???? I have a trackball "mouse" -No table or mouse pad necessary. It's got a trackball (think centipede if your old enough) a little smaller than a golf ball and 4 buttons- two on each side. . I sit the "mouse" in my lap and surf the net on my 24" Dell widescreen all comfy with the recliner leaned back and all. Then when I want to play FEAR or battlefield 2142 or UT I just plug in my KEYPAD (not full keyboard). It goes into a USB port and is about as big as my wallet. Much smaller than even a PS3 controller. I then map the #8key to move forward 4 for  left 6 for right, etc. The keypad sits very comfortably on my lap next to my trackball and has plenty of buttons to map for Jump, crouch, movement etc. . I can chill out comfortably for hours and hours and play my FPS games just the same as the people crouched over their computer desk. SO there you go. you have no excuses now. You can have the best of both worlds (I do) for under $45- less than 1 ps3 controller. No tables- dinner trays- wood required. No leaning over a keyboard or sore necks just lean back and enjoy the accuracy. If you really want to get fancy you can spend an extra $30 and buy a wireless trackball and keypad.

Also- I am not sure what all the fuss is about here. Remember the Atari 2600 even had a trackball a pong style wheel controller (remember Kaboom!)and a keypad and gun controller and that was in like 1981-82. It's like there's some wierd controller only cult here or something.  

I Heard UT 2007 was going to do this because it gives you the option to play against PC gamers who also have UT 2007, but this is just a rumor I heard.G-Legend

the only thing i know is that resistance doesn't suppurt mouse/keybord

jl_m

The one player games such as oblivion should pose no problem with the argument against keyboard/mouse becuase its personal choice.

Its the online play that poses the problem, so why not set up two different servers one with keyboard/mouseplayers and one with Ps3controller players.

It may be a possible solution:D

I don't think it's possible now, but maybe later with a firmware update it could be done. I doubt it, but who knows, right?azzezino

It's possible now, just no games use it. However you can look forward to Unreal.

i'll be picking up ps3 version of ut2k7 100%. i'm used to kb/mouse so it'll be really easy for me. just like some of you are used to analog sticks. i get whopped online with a controller but now i'll use my battlefield 2 twich! it's great they're adding these features.

and i think they should separate the servers to keep things smooth

check this out if no one posted it yet

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802714

works with any game. problem solved

i hope not. it will be un fair for people who dont have a Mouseand Keyboard

i hope not. it will be un fair for people who dont have a Mouseand Keyboard

cooldust

All I hear is "I don't want you to have fun playing your favourite type of game with your favourite controller for the game (kb/m)".

Mouse and keyboard for consoles would be a disaster. A lot of devs are, thankfully,againstthis and its ultimately up to them, not sony, if it happens.If you want mouse and keyboard thats what a PC is for. I dont want to sit at a desk to play a console.theburg

You don't want to and its fine. Saying it would be a disaster is simply ignorant. How could extra features that you DO NOT have to use be a bad thing? I have my PS3 hooked up to the same HDTV I have my PC hooked too. I prefer mouse and keyboard any day compared to a controller. Its all about choices and preferences.

check this out if no one posted it yet

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802714

works with any game. problem solved

gundamfan80

No the problem is not solved. The analog (right analog) is pressure sensitive in most FPS as standard set up. What happens with this is when you have amouse in use it defaults or maps itas the analog.Problem is, the mouse starts to move the weapon and then it jerks once you reach acertain torque.

[QUOTE="gundamfan80"]

check this out if no one posted it yet

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802714

works with any game. problem solved

Taijiquan

No the problem is not solved. The analog (right analog) is pressure sensitive in most FPS as standard set up. What happens with this is when you have amouse in use it defaults or maps itas the analog.Problem is, the mouse starts to move the weapon and then it jerks once you reach acertain torque.

with the fragfx you can adjust the sensitivity on the fly with either the small thumb wheel on the left stick or there are two buttons on the mouse itself that lowers or increases it while you have them pressed. so I fail to see how this wouldn't be an equal replacement.

[QUOTE="G-Legend"]I Heard UT 2007 was going to do this because it gives you the option to play against PC gamers who also have UT 2007, but this is just a rumor I heard.GastaS

Who cares that it's MS Windows the point was I heard that it you could do cross platform with it. MS doesn't have anything to do with Epic making a game playable between PS3 and PC because the OS doesn't have to do anything with it. It's all about servers so get your facts straight. And for proof of this just look at The Agency.

I'm considering getting a PS3, and the biggest selling point to me is the mouse and keyboard support. I'm hoping that I can use the mouse/keyboard combo in FPS games. I used to play a lot of FPS games on the PC, now I can't afford the PC upgrades to keep up with the games. I tried some FPS games on PS2 but I never get used to using the joystick.

I haven't heard a lot of discussions on mouse/keyboard use on PS3. Does the current FPS games in PS3 support mouse & keyboard? Will future games support them? Anybody knows?

RogueFish

PS3 games will not support mouse and keyboard. That is what the controllers are for so if you so badly need a mouse get a PC. It will require extra work to get developers to balance online play with some using mouse and others with a controller. Imagine sitting on your couch playing with a mouse andkeyboard unless you have your PS3 hooked up at a PC desk.

a mouse is more accurate then a joy stick to, so its kind of unfair

[QUOTE="RogueFish"]

I'm considering getting a PS3, and the biggest selling point to me is the mouse and keyboard support. I'm hoping that I can use the mouse/keyboard combo in FPS games. I used to play a lot of FPS games on the PC, now I can't afford the PC upgrades to keep up with the games. I tried some FPS games on PS2 but I never get used to using the joystick.

I haven't heard a lot of discussions on mouse/keyboard use on PS3. Does the current FPS games in PS3 support mouse & keyboard? Will future games support them? Anybody knows?

Deihmos

PS3 games will not support mouse and keyboard. That is what the controllers are for so if you so badly need a mouse get a PC. It will require extra work to get developers to balance online play with some using mouse and others with a controller. Imagine sitting on your couch playing with a mouse andkeyboard unless you have your PS3 hooked up at a PC desk.

umm UNREAL ALREADY DOES, know what for people that don't wanna use it don't.

It is not unfair in any way. People buy peripherals all the time to give tem an edge in gaming (2000dpi mouse etc)

Also PS3 can have Linux on it, a lot of people have it on theirs (and thus a keyboard and mouse).

Just because you don't sit on your couch and use a keyboard doesn't mean that others have a setup where they can do this.

There are many examples of people with entertainment computers and use a wireless keyboard and mouse on their PC (which has a monitor as a TV)

Many people are saying that a mouse and keyboard would suck because it is unfair and people would be sitting at their pc desk to play but that's untrue.

For the fairness part, some people have headsets and others don't. Isn't that unfair? Don't I have to go out and buy one to make it even. NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! I'm still good at say resistance and any other FPS games without it so people aren't gonna be forced to go out and buy a mouse and keyboard to make it fair.

As for the sitting at your desk all day, it will most likely be wireless or at least have a wireless and wired versions so you could put it on your lap to play. There will probably be a mousepad extender of some kind too made by the producer of the keyboard or another party so you could play that on your lap too. It may sound confusing but I'm sure that you would have to sit at a desk all day to play FPS so put a sock in it all of you haters.

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="RogueFish"]

I'm considering getting a PS3, and the biggest selling point to me is the mouse and keyboard support. I'm hoping that I can use the mouse/keyboard combo in FPS games. I used to play a lot of FPS games on the PC, now I can't afford the PC upgrades to keep up with the games. I tried some FPS games on PS2 but I never get used to using the joystick.

I haven't heard a lot of discussions on mouse/keyboard use on PS3. Does the current FPS games in PS3 support mouse & keyboard? Will future games support them? Anybody knows?

RahKayne

PS3 games will not support mouse and keyboard. That is what the controllers are for so if you so badly need a mouse get a PC. It will require extra work to get developers to balance online play with some using mouse and others with a controller. Imagine sitting on your couch playing with a mouse andkeyboard unless you have your PS3 hooked up at a PC desk.

umm UNREAL ALREADY DOES, know what for people that don't wanna use it don't.

It is not unfair in any way. People buy peripherals all the time to give tem an edge in gaming (2000dpi mouse etc)

Also PS3 can have Linux on it, a lot of people have it on theirs (and thus a keyboard and mouse).

Just because you don't sit on your couch and use a keyboard doesn't mean that others have a setup where they can do this.

There are many examples of people with entertainment computers and use a wireless keyboard and mouse on their PC (which has a monitor as a TV)

It was never confirmed and people only saw a tech demo on a developers PS3. Epic never oncer said the game will support KB and Mouse and I am sure it wouldn't. How are they going to balance the game to be fair for both? Just don't see developers wasting their time optimizing the game for both when everyone with a console has a gamepad. The above poster made a comparison to a mic which doesn't make sense to me.

Um guys you guys are forgot about this...

Here's the link for more information on the new peripheral>>>http://gear.ign.com/articles/769/769529p1.html

Why would you want to ruin console games with mouse and key board support? Like seriously, that would suck nads extremely. The controller takes a lot more skill then the mouse and key board, I'm a big PC FPS gamer myself but I would very much like there to be a boarder between PC and Console FPS. SquirrelMaster-

EDIT: About the 3rd party peripheral, it looks really retarded to me. Keyboard/mouse is for PC gamers, gamepads are for console games, what type of audience is this thing going for? O.o

[QUOTE="Maxpowers_32"][QUOTE="-DirtySanchez-"][QUOTE="Maxpowers_32"][QUOTE="-DirtySanchez-"]if you want to play FPS's with a crappy keyboard and mouse then go use your pc, i hope to god they never make any of the future ps3 fps's keyboard and mouse supportable-DirtySanchez-

You are arguing just to argue and wasting everyone's timed. Stop being bull headed. Having the support of keyboard and mouse wouldn't hurt you in the least bit. Get over it.

Comparisons between kb/m & controller in FPS should be made with a driving game. Driving games support both steering wheel peripherals and regular controller.

Is it fair to have a contest between two people with comparable skills, one using a wheel and the other using a sixaxis? Probably not. But that is not a good argument to try to prevent developers from incorporating different peripheral support for a game.

Face it, for some (the majority of?) people, it's a more enjoyable experience to play FPS w/ kb/m, the same way playing a driving game is more enjoyable using a steering wheel. Have you ever been frustrated of not being able to make a hairpin turn smoothly with your controller? That's the same feeling of frustration of trying to get a bead in FPS and overshooting your mark. You can argue that if I have skills I'd be able to do it. Fine. It's just not a fun and enjoyable experience to me. I'm playing games mostly for fun, not to brag to other people about how skilled I am. Will my using kb/m ruin your fun? Maybe. Are you that sensitive?

To Generalkill8888: support for kb/m for PS3 games are determined by the game developers. They have to programthe game to support it, it's not inherent in the PS3 (at least not right now). That ugly looking controller makes it possible for you to substitute your sixaxis with a mouse and fragchuck, for anything. It translates your mouse/chuck input to something resembling sixaxis' response.

Sorry, I didnt really want to read 8 pages of comments, so will you be able to play most FPS games on the PS3 with any keyboard and mouse? Or do you have to buy that ugly looking controller?Generalkill8888

There are no Ps3 FPS games that support a mouse and keyboard. If you want to play with a mouse then you will need to play on a computer.