The International Dota 2 Championships: Aug 26th - Sep 2nd

Kid has an Ayn Rand avatar for Christ's Sake. Just ignore the obvious trolling twit.SKaREO

Sorry, didn't notice your reply before, I apologise.

Dumb as sht stuffN30F3N1X

You can't be such an idiot, it's impossible, you're trolling, it's the only explanation, unless you truly are so effin stupid, you're also report for being stupid enough to post the only word that still gets more or less moderated these days.

Idiots...idiots everywhere.

"Hurr durr, you so stupid me no like MOBA, me like RPeeGee, if me no like RTS me no like MOBA zo nobody no like MOBA evan pipal dat want game with RPG and RTS in one, because me no want them to want dat"

You need help pseudoneoleet, and the Derek Zoolander School for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Want to Do Other Stuff Good Too is the place that can offer you the guidance you require.

The last battles on the group stage have concluded today and each of the sixteen teams has completed a best of three match against one another. Team Complexity has made up for their rough start by rolling out 7 more wins, making their record 9-5. Meanwhile, Mousesports, mTw and Darer are showing a surprisingly less confident game than usual. Coming out ahead of the group with an immaculate record is a Chinese team, the undefeated LGD. Their most infamous rival, Invictus Gaming, trailing right behind with 13 wins and only 1 loss.

To give you a recap: LGD was invited to The International 2011, however, Invictus Gaming made a move which took away 4 of LGD's players, rending LGD unable to participate in the first International Dota 2 Championships. Now that they've reformed, they're showing unbelivable strength and coordination. This is the kind of rivalry that makes movies, the tension is almost palpable.

Who's going to win the second International Dota 2 Championships? We'll find out on the main stage starting Friday, August 31st. Follow dota2.com and joindota.com for tournament info and updates!

Sorry, didn't notice your reply before, I apologise.

[QUOTE="N30F3N1X"]Dumb as sht stuffDanielDust

You can't be such an idiot, it's impossible, you're trolling, it's the only explanation, unless you truly are so effin stupid, you're also report for being stupid enough to post the only word that still gets more or less moderated these days.

Idiots...idiots everywhere.

"Hurr durr, you so stupid me no like MOBA, me like RPeeGee, if me no like RTS me no like MOBA zo nobody no like MOBA evan pipal dat want game with RPG and RTS in one, because me no want them to want dat"

You need help pseudoneoleet, and the Derek Zoolander School for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Want to Do Other Stuff Good Too is the place that can offer you the guidance you require.

:lol:

You have no freaking clue of what you're saying. At this point you're just rambling nonsense. Find me an "RPG fan" who follows the MOBA competitive scene and then I will start listening to your blabbering again.

edit: actually, let me correct that. Find me an "RPG fan" who follows the MOBA competitive scene, because of the RPG elements. The rest stays the same. Good luck in your search, I'm sure you'll need it ;)

Thankyou for the topic TC! Can't wait for the main event to start, should be great, hats off to Valve and all the community and casters for making it an amazing engaging experience for all involved, from someone who didn't give a damn about esports or laughed at the term a couple of months ago, Valve really knows how to market this amazing game well.

are you HONESTLY arguing that DOTA isnt a skill based game and WC3 is.... when DOTA was created using WC3? this is blowing my MIIIIIIINDWizardGlass

Yes, to clarify what you were saying earlier, it is a custom map and not a mod. What is gold can be externally mutated into mediocrity.

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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]babysitting competitionSovietsUnited

No, it's not. It's a skill-heavy game and you can very easily tell the difference in skill among players.

I can do the same for Gears of War, it must be a skill-heavy game as well.

Anyone can pick up and play GoW and kill a "pro" with some luck, in DotA you can't. Just shoot and chainsaw, or spam shotgun from close range. Your first time playing DotA is going to be your first fail as well. And your RTS argument is downright ridiculous cause you're comparing two different genres. I bet you would get destroyed the moment you played with a game with someone who knows what he's doing

I've played long enough to be able to distinguish the exceptional from the rest (i.e. those who rely on active reload in futile attempt, those who attach themselves to specific weapons, and those who are simply unable to counter in close range. "Spamming shotgun" will do you no good). But of course I'm not playing the apologist game here for GoW. I merely say that distinction in competence does not warrant a game's placement in the competitive field.

And your RTS argument is downright ridiculous cause you're comparing two different genres.

SovietsUnited

Walincas

I appreciate your elaborated response, but most of what you've said already applies to RTSes. Probably the only distinction is the physical consistent encounters (as in almost always). Even without physical encounters, one always endeavors to read and counter his opponent. Really you can forecast army composition from the start by initial base build. Not only is scouting fundamental to RTSes ("knowing your enemies" as well corresponds), but you have as well a more domineering layout of fog of war that alters between maps.

Kid has an Ayn Rand avatar for Christ's Sake. Just ignore the obvious trolling twit.SKaREO

lol Ayn Rand.

[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"][QUOTE="WizardGlass"] no, it wasnt. it was created using the same graphics engine... not the game. DOTA uses the assets, skills, and mechanics of WC3. it is a mod and therefore borrows EVERYTHING from the game that it is a mod for. there is nothing in DOTA that you cannot find in WC3 itself.WizardGlass

DotA 2 is the future of e-sports. It's going to become huge. Teamliquid, a traditionally Stracraft oriented community, and one of the largest and more serious progaming portals on the net, added DotA 2.

DotA 2 is the future of e-sports. It's going to become huge. Teamliquid, a traditionally Stracraft oriented community, and one of the largest and more serious progaming portals on the net, added DotA 2.

QQabitmoar

As an avid user of Team Liquid, this announcement made my day. If they can successfully promote DotA2 as they have with SC2 (appealing community hub, tournament coverage and hype, interviews etc.) I think we are in for something special.

Dota 2 is something people of competitive games like this need to keep their eye on, for very important reasons, this post by reddit user Kinths sums up why.

"I'd like to say thanks to Valve for just how much effort they have put into Dota 2. Especially on the E-sport side of things. Valve have done pretty much everything possible to not only support Dota 2 as an e-sport but also to support the players.

TL;DR Just me explaining some problems with current e-sports then me gushing over and thanking valve for just how much Valve is doing to fix those problems with Dota 2.

Full essay version: So firstly before getting to it, I would like to point out some things that not everyone may know. Being a professional gamer isn't as glamorous as it sounds, nor does it pay well. Many of the players you love, watch and support don't get a steady wage. Their income mainly comes from streaming views and tournament prizes, if they lose they will often get nothing or next to it. Now you may see some of these tournament prizes and be thinking wow that's a lot of money to win. But it often isn't, with the exception of the International most prize funds are pretty low. Remember that the pot gets split between at least 5 people and that money has to last them till they next win money. Not a lot of teams pay for travel costs or living expenses either and sponsors often just give players free gear instead of money. Until they win these players are often working (yes it is a job to them despite how fun you may think it would be) for free.

With that out of the way let me get to the point. Any one who has watched or played competitive LoL (I know it's a dirty word around these parts) will likely know that there is a bit of a problem within the scene. Some teams are refusing to play games unless they can also stream the games on their own channel. This is because streaming provides a more stable and guaranteed income than tournament prizes.But it takes away viewers from the tournaments official stream meaning they likely can't offer a bigger prize pool next tournament. This becomes a viscous cycle to the point where prize funds will likely get to small for smaller tournaments to attract teams. The players are right for wanting to make money while they play and not just if they win, but the tournament hosts also need to make money to keep the tournaments going. The prize fund has to be worth the teams time to participate but they also need a fall back plan if they lose.

So how does this relate to DotA 2. Well with Dota 2 valve is doing everything in their power to not only make it an e-sport, but also making it a stable e-sport that can easily grow exponentially, that supports Players, tournaments, teams and viewers.

We have the utterly brilliant in game spectator client, which lets thousands of people watch the game from within game (no more stream lag or terrible quality) with full commentary. Because this is taking viewers away from streams Valve charges for fairly cheap tickets to watch the tournament with a good percentage of the money going to the tournament hosters, which likely gives them a better overall profit than the adverts on streams do.

We have modifiable team banners that allow teams to show off their sponsors from within the game, they don't detract from the game at all and keeps the team's sponsors happy.

We also have the ingenious new pennant system that gives money to teams regardless of if they win and lets normal players support their team while having a chance at rewards just for watching, giving people even more incentive to watch. It also gives players more incentive to enter online tournaments that don't allow streaming in the future (Individual player streaming will become much much bigger once the game is properly released)

Valve has created an e-sport where everybody profits and it's something that can exponentially grow. The more viewers they get the more the teams earn which means they can make it to more tournaments meaning we get more chances to support our favourite teams while getting loot. Tournaments will make more money as the more viewers there are the more tickets will likely sell. Offering bigger prize pools to players and making it more worth their time. Bigger prize pools will then attract more viewers. It's a repeating cycle that promotes growth for everyone and takes some of the risk out of being an e-sports team, player or tournament hoster.

I really don't think people have realised just how big and innovative the features in DotA 2 are for e-sports. E-sports games are starting to get more views than "real" sports games and Valve has taken that to heart and created Dota 2 a game that fully embraces the e-sport side of the game. While making it much easier for those who haven't discovered how great e-sport can be to discover just how great it is.

So from Me to Valve: THANK YOU for making something that will hopefully set the standard for e-sports in the future. I always knew Dota 2 would be good but I never expected it to be quite so fully featured. Keep up the awesome work.

With this love letter over I'm off to watch Col vs E-home! coL is going to win ;)"

[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

DotA 2 is the future of e-sports. It's going to become huge. Teamliquid, a traditionally Stracraft oriented community, and one of the largest and more serious progaming portals on the net, added DotA 2.

Priapus101

As an avid user of Team Liquid, this announcement made my day. If they can successfully promote DotA2 as they have with SC2 (appealing community hub, tournament coverage and hype, interviews etc.) I think we are in for something special.

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[QUOTE="QQabitmoar"]

DotA 2 is the future of e-sports. It's going to become huge. Teamliquid, a traditionally Stracraft oriented community, and one of the largest and more serious progaming portals on the net, added DotA 2.

SKaREO

As an avid user of Team Liquid, this announcement made my day. If they can successfully promote DotA2 as they have with SC2 (appealing community hub, tournament coverage and hype, interviews etc.) I think we are in for something special.

Gosugamers has been into DotA since...DotA became an e-sport, lol. Teamliquid does have strict moderation rules indeed, but if you've been following e-sports in the SC/SC2 scenes, you'd know it's one of the largest and most dedicated communities in the web. It's a good place to lurk to balance out the edginess and obnoxiousness of other places I lurk.

[QUOTE="SKaREO"][QUOTE="Priapus101"]

As an avid user of Team Liquid, this announcement made my day. If they can successfully promote DotA2 as they have with SC2 (appealing community hub, tournament coverage and hype, interviews etc.) I think we are in for something special.

QQabitmoar

Gosugamers has been into DotA since...DotA became an e-sport, lol. Teamliquid does have strict moderation rules indeed, but if you've been following e-sports in the SC/SC2 scenes, you'd know it's one of the largest and most dedicated communities in the web. It's a good place to lurk to balance out the edginess and obnoxiousness of other places I lurk.