Would you vote for an atheist? (Now with POLL)

Then you think God created the world by evolution.

battlefront23

the Earth isn't a living thing, so that is impossible.

Then you think God created the world by evolution.

battlefront23

[QUOTE="battlefront23"]

Then you think God created the world by evolution.

slinky6

I meant having a firm belief in Christianity can be a major factor in good leadership, it's about how strongly you believe in Christianity, not how much God is talking to you or what He's saying. Leadership involves believing what's best for the followers or the country, so you would be concerned with guiding the country by its biblical roots as the founding fathers did. Protecting human rights, not tolerating communism or terrorism in other countries, upholding justice, etc.Solid_Snake325

We need a good seperation of church and state.

Or skate...

Well, not WE, seeing as how I live in Canada. Good old Canadian Government.

i wouldnt. freshgman

[QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]You're a Christian OR you're an atheist.mig_killer2

NO

Well then sorry for speaking the truth.

tough **** for your beliefs

All religions are going to collapse. Christianity, Islam, etc. I give it 25-30 years tops before the catholic church falls, when it falls, all of them will follow with it.

People shouldn't vote for rulers. It's an act of aggression toward humanity.

"A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new
master once in a term of years." - Lysander Spooner

"We vote? What does that mean? It means that we choose between two
bodies of real, though not avowed, autocrats. We choose between
Tweedledum and Tweedledee." - Helen Keller

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

People shouldn't vote for rulers. It's an act of aggression toward humanity.

"A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new
master once in a term of years." - Lysander Spooner

"We vote? What does that mean? It means that we choose between two
bodies of real, though not avowed, autocrats. We choose between
Tweedledum and Tweedledee." - Helen Keller

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

giton

Than what do you suggest we do? Ahh, I know, let's go back to being a 100% monarchy...

People shouldn't vote for rulers. It's an act of aggression toward humanity.

"A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new
master once in a term of years." - Lysander Spooner

"We vote? What does that mean? It means that we choose between two
bodies of real, though not avowed, autocrats. We choose between
Tweedledum and Tweedledee." - Helen Keller

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

giton

In a pure democracy, nothing could ever get done. You would need the approval of all 300 million people in the US to make any decision. Logisticaly impossible.

Of course. God has no place in politics.

I should say: God should have no place in politics. Reality, unfortunately, follows different rules than ideal.

Jandurin

Agreed.

[QUOTE="giton"]

People shouldn't vote for rulers. It's an act of aggression toward humanity.

"A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new
master once in a term of years." - Lysander Spooner

"We vote? What does that mean? It means that we choose between two
bodies of real, though not avowed, autocrats. We choose between
Tweedledum and Tweedledee." - Helen Keller

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

sonicare

In a pure democracy, nothing could ever get done. You would need the approval of all 300 million people in the US to make any decision. Logisticaly impossible.

Switserland (spelling? :o) actually has a system where every major and not so major issue gets voted on by everyone. Excellent system in theory, but too many just doesn't bother travling to a voting station once a week. Maybe if you coul vote from home over the internet or something people would be more interested though.

[QUOTE="guitboxdude25"][QUOTE="redban2"]

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated.

redban2

bin laden deeply believes in his religion....:|

What I meant by my comment is someone who follows the moral ethics of their religion.

Bin Laden doesn't "deeply" follow his religion.

Bin Laden is Muslim, is he not? do you know what the guidelines are for that religion? Well, nonviolence is one of them.

Well what about all the people whoa re in gangs and wear crosses. They kill people which is not helping them be a good christian. And you say that people who have "deep" faith in a religion, you don't say that they have to follow every thing it says. I would have agreed with you in the 50's but definetly not now.

You're a Christian OR you're an atheist.battlefront23

But what kind of Christian? There are so many variants, aren't there?

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]You're a Christian OR you're an atheist.import_fighter1

NO

Well then sorry for speaking the truth.

tough **** for your beliefs

All religions are going to collapse. Christianity, Islam, etc. I give it 25-30 years tops before the catholic church falls, when it falls, all of them will follow with it.

And how do you know this?:question:

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]You're a Christian OR you're an atheist.MFaraz_Hayat

NO

Well then sorry for speaking the truth.

tough **** for your beliefs

All religions are going to collapse. Christianity, Islam, etc. I give it 25-30 years tops before the catholic church falls, when it falls, all of them will follow with it.

And what gives you that impression?

Possibly if these fundamentalists grow in numbers.. For instance in the US christian fundamentalism is growing which is quite startling.

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]You're a Christian OR you're an atheist.import_fighter1

NO

Well then sorry for speaking the truth.

tough **** for your beliefs

All religions are going to collapse. Christianity, Islam, etc. I give it 25-30 years tops before the catholic church falls, when it falls, all of them will follow with it.

as soon as ANY evidence of life is found on another planet, most religions will fall.

[QUOTE="import_fighter1"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]You're a Christian OR you're an atheist.chrisrooR

NO

Well then sorry for speaking the truth.

tough **** for your beliefs

All religions are going to collapse. Christianity, Islam, etc. I give it 25-30 years tops before the catholic church falls, when it falls, all of them will follow with it.

as soon as ANY evidence of life is found on another planet, most religions will fall.

Why?

I wouldn't even think about voting for an athiest.

Having no belief in God is a sign of deep confusion in my eyes. I'm not going to go into the reasoning for why that is, as that has to do with my personal beliefs.

People who have deep faith in religion have one thing in common. And that is they all are exemplary citizens. A person who believes in God would also seem to be more secure and morally-motivated. Religion does play a big part in a person's character. Which is why I'm not a believer in the "Religion should stay out of politics..." thing.

Another reason for not voting for an athiest is the the guilt feeling I'd get from doing so. I'd feel like I did the wrong thing in supporting someone like that.

redban2

Hahaha, that made me laugh. I guess you've never heard of the Crusades? What about extremeist terroist who will kill millions in the name of God? This is why religion has to be separate from state, and it's sad that the 52% of Americans believe the Founding Fathers advice to be wrong.

[QUOTE="redban2"][QUOTE="JML897"]

So, those Catholic Priests that did stuff with little boys...they're great citizens?

JML897

If a priest molested a toddler, then do they do they really have deep faith in their religion? No, there're in disguise..just a masquerade . Those priests do not have true faith in their religion.

Alright, fair enough.

In the Bible, it says it's okay to kill a disobedient child. Also, it says it's okay to sell your daughter into slavery.

So, let's say some guy tries to prostitute his daughter. But, she refuses -- so, the father kills her. Would he be alright? I mean, nothing he did went against the Bible. In fact, the Bible supports him.

I guess so. The Bible also says that it's ok to summon bears that attack and kill 42 boys that yelled at you.......

If an individual had the political beliefs that I agreed with and, in my opinion, the capability to run the nation effectively, but was an athiest, then yes, yes I would vote for him.

I can't make voting decisions based upon religious affiliation. If I did, I'd have no-one to vote for, being Catholic.

If this guy is a great candidate and the only "negative" thing about him was that he did not believe in a higher power, of course I'd vote for him.

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="battlefront23"][QUOTE="JML897"][QUOTE="battlefront23"]

But let me ask you this: do you think YOUR views are flawed?

battlefront23

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure some of my opinions can be disputed well.

But anyone who thinks the Bible isn't full of contradictions, is fooling themselves.

can you tell me these contradictions?

Are you serious? Why do you think the Christians wrote the New Testament? The original was not good enough for them. Do you actually believe everything that is written in the bible?

Yes, but some of it is meant symbolicly...

I'm so sick of that cop out. Anything that someone disagrees with in the Bible is supposed to be "symbolic" and not taken literally. But whose to say what's to be taken literally and what isn't? You can't pick and choose, because all of it is "The Word of God".

Tell me what the symbol was supposed to be when the Bible states that people who don't have genitals or their genitals have been cut off aren't allowed into heaven..........

Or when Elisha summoned 2 bears that malled 42 kids to death....just for calling him baldhead.....yeah, sounds really "moral" to me.

Naturally; I wouldn't vote for an atheist for pope, but outside of that, I can't see where it would be relevant.xaos

when would you even vote for a pope?

[QUOTE="xaos"]Naturally; I wouldn't vote for an atheist for pope, but outside of that, I can't see where it would be relevant.Directions2

when would you even vote for a pope?

maybe he's a cardinal

If the US Presidential candidate for the party you would normally vote for were an atheist, would you still vote for them? I ask this because I recently found a report that found 52% of Americans wouldn't vote for a well-qualified atheist.Bourbons3

In a heartbeat. If I agreed with their policies I'd campagin and donate to them as well.