[QUOTE="Capitan_Kid"]So parents cant make decisions for their children? Zeviander
Choosing a day care and permanently altering their appearance and future sexual experiences are not the same thing. Choosing their education, their state of well being (vaccinations), and making a medical decision about their penis definitely falls in line.
Non-consensual genital mutilation is a human rights violation. All this defense of genital mutilation is very irrational. Pretty much everything I've ever read on circumcision indicates that it drastically reduces sensitivity and doesn't actually have health benefits as long as people wash down there. I think most circumcised guys just don't want to admit that their penis is mutilated and doesn't work right.
Choosing their education, their state of well being (vaccinations), and making a medical decision about their penis definitely falls in line.Capitan_Kid
No, they don't. See the several links I posted in this thread for medical reasons why. Not even getting into ethical problems of bodily sovereignty and inability to consent. Vaccinations are largely supported by the vast majority of the medical community and have tangible, significant benefits. Preemptively snipping off the foreskin because a less-than-1% chance of your child contacting a UTI or severe constriction problem is not a "significant" benefit. Especially when basic hygiene and safe sex practices are significantly more effective at preventing the issues circumcision is claimed to help. It is religious traditionalism pumped up into the medial mainstream by masturbatory hysterics in the 19th century (thank you Mr. Kellogg) who unjustly feared for the futures of their children being destroyed by fondling themselves too much. If you can come up with an argument that does NOT feature one of the following, I might consider your point relevant to the debate: 1. Decreased HIV transmission rates among individuals who participate in unprotected sexual activity in poor African nations. 2. Basic hygiene is not taught by parents, resulting in an increased risk in UTIs. 3. Safe sex practices are not taught by parents, resulting in a significantly obsessed risk of contracting any number of STIs (only one of which has been shown to be benefitted by circumcision). 4. Children have imposed upon them an artificial sense of physical aesthetics not in line with nature that coerces them to follow the herd mentality and adapt, rather than set themselves apart and stand up for who they are. Circumcision is not medically necessary as a routine neonatal procedure in first-world countries where proper hygiene is taught, well-maintained facilities are available to almost everyone, and safe sex practices are among the most important thing taught to children about their lives as adults. Do you have any other relevant material that does not fall in line with those above four, heavily refuted points?
I'm just gonna leave this video here: American Pediatrics Group Cites Benefits Of Male Circumcision
Deny if you want, but you're just making a fool of yourself if you do. Circumcision is a good thing, people that argue otherwise are not educated enough to make a case against it. The vast majority of people that experts in medicine and health all agree that cirucmcision should be supported.
No one here is a health expert, so arguing against them is simply lol worthy.
Capitan_Kid
that's cool, in which case a concenting adult could have it.
Not a child.
So parents cant make decisions for their children? Depends on the decision.
I'd say things like physical abuse and mutilation should be illegal.
The benefits outweigh the risks. It is known to reduce the risk of HIV infection. Of course, this is also coming from someone who is circumcised. But I would defenitely not have it done by a priest. I don't think many people decide to get a circumcision done when they are older and is probably even riskier.
JDWolfie
HIV spreads through pure blood. So that's just a load of bull I'm afraid.
Yes, it's cleaner, no chance of getting infection and the girls love it.Rattlesnake_8
So your preferred method of preventing infection of a body part is to cut it off rather than wash it? And not all girls like it. Pretty much the only girls who like it are in regions where the practice is so widespread that they're not familiar with what a non-mutilated penis is like, and if the practice wasn't widespread then they wouldn't like it either. Preference for circumcised guys is just social conditioning.
But it really doesn't matter what girls want, because it's not their body. That's stupid to mutilate a baby's body just because some hypothetical girl decades in the future might like it. Should parents give their daughters breast implants too just because "the guys love it"?
[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]Yes, it's cleaner, no chance of getting infection and the girls love it.Laihendi
So your preferred method of preventing infection of a body part is to cut it off rather than wash it? And not all girls like it. Pretty much the only girls who like it are in regions where the practice is so widespread that they're not familiar with what a non-mutilated penis is like, and if the practice wasn't widespread then they wouldn't like it either. Preference for circumcised guys is just social conditioning.
But it really doesn't matter what girls want, because it's not their body. That's stupid to mutilate a baby's body just because some hypothetical girl decades in the future might like it. Should parents give their daughters breast implants too just because "the guys love it"?
I should cut my limbs off, would make taking a shower a lot quicker, with all the fewer parts to wash...and hey, less infections! And all the ladies love those shiny stubs
[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]Yes, it's cleaner, no chance of getting infection and the girls love it.wis3boi
So your preferred method of preventing infection of a body part is to cut it off rather than wash it? And not all girls like it. Pretty much the only girls who like it are in regions where the practice is so widespread that they're not familiar with what a non-mutilated penis is like, and if the practice wasn't widespread then they wouldn't like it either. Preference for circumcised guys is just social conditioning.
But it really doesn't matter what girls want, because it's not their body. That's stupid to mutilate a baby's body just because some hypothetical girl decades in the future might like it. Should parents give their daughters breast implants too just because "the guys love it"?
I should cut my limbs off, would make taking a shower a lot quicker, with all the fewer parts to wash...and hey, less infections! And all the ladies love those shiny stubs
[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]Yes, it's cleaner, no chance of getting infection and the girls love it.Laihendi
So your preferred method of preventing infection of a body part is to cut it off rather than wash it? And not all girls like it. Pretty much the only girls who like it are in regions where the practice is so widespread that they're not familiar with what a non-mutilated penis is like, and if the practice wasn't widespread then they wouldn't like it either. Preference for circumcised guys is just social conditioning.
But it really doesn't matter what girls want, because it's not their body. That's stupid to mutilate a baby's body just because some hypothetical girl decades in the future might like it. Should parents give their daughters breast implants too just because "the guys love it"?
Its nothign to do with washing, the 4 skin is a nice place for germs to live in and get into during sex, doesnt matter if you drop it in bleach later damage is already done :P
The benefits outweigh the risks. It is known to reduce the risk of HIV infection. Of course, this is also coming from someone who is circumcised. But I would defenitely not have it done by a priest. I don't think many people decide to get a circumcision done when they are older and is probably even riskier.
kriggy
HIV spreads through pure blood. So that's just a load of bull I'm afraid.
[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]Yes, it's cleaner, no chance of getting infection and the girls love it.tenaka2
So your preferred method of preventing infection of a body part is to cut it off rather than wash it? And not all girls like it. Pretty much the only girls who like it are in regions where the practice is so widespread that they're not familiar with what a non-mutilated penis is like, and if the practice wasn't widespread then they wouldn't like it either. Preference for circumcised guys is just social conditioning.
But it really doesn't matter what girls want, because it's not their body. That's stupid to mutilate a baby's body just because some hypothetical girl decades in the future might like it. Should parents give their daughters breast implants too just because "the guys love it"?
Its nothign to do with washing, the 4 skin is a nice place for germs to live in and get into during sex, doesnt matter if you drop it in bleach later damage is already done :P
Yep, if you get germs on something the damage is already done. Washing won't do any good.
[QUOTE="Rattlesnake_8"]Yes, it's cleaner, no chance of getting infection and the girls love it.wis3boi
All the girls I ever met are disgusted by the practice.
Really? I would say the opposite from my experince. My parents gave me the choice and got the surgery when I was an early teenger. Since I got the surgery when I was an early teenager, I knew what it felt like with and without and honestly there's not really a differnce. I'm pretty happy with my thing down there and I have no regrets about the surgery.
Of course, I would give my son the same choice, and also don't support it having it done right after birth.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"] So your preferred method of preventing infection of a body part is to cut it off rather than wash it? And not all girls like it. Pretty much the only girls who like it are in regions where the practice is so widespread that they're not familiar with what a non-mutilated penis is like, and if the practice wasn't widespread then they wouldn't like it either. Preference for circumcised guys is just social conditioning.
But it really doesn't matter what girls want, because it's not their body. That's stupid to mutilate a baby's body just because some hypothetical girl decades in the future might like it. Should parents give their daughters breast implants too just because "the guys love it"?
GrayF0X786
I should cut my limbs off, would make taking a shower a lot quicker, with all the fewer parts to wash...and hey, less infections! And all the ladies love those shiny stubs
Really? I would say the opposite from my experince. My parents gave me the choice and got the surgery when I was an early teenger. Since I got the surgery when I was an early teenager, I knew what it felt like with and without and honestly there's not really a differnce. I'm pretty happy with my thing down there and I have no regrets about the surgery.
Of course, I would give my son the same choice, and also don't support it having it done right after birth.
muffincakes87
There are different methods of circumcison, and they vary in the extent to which they reduce or eliminate sensitivity.
Methods that attempt to preserve at least some of the frenulum don't eliminate all the unique sensitivity associated with the Meissner's corpuscles (nerve endings).
In the U.S., however, circumcision procedures that remove the frenulum entirely are often favored because the results are deemed more aesthetically pleasing.
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