Why popular Atheist arguments don't work.

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Why do wis3boi and shadow hate each other?ShadowsDemon

 

All atheist arguments are based on one argument: the assumption of what is true and what is not true, such as morality and the quantity of true religions.

These arguments have no basis and therefore should be dismissed.

 

 

First argument:

 

1. How do you know if your religion is true? Out of the many religions out there

 

First off, the atheist assumes that there can only be one true religion. Hinduism believes in many religions. Therefore it is fallacious of one to assume such a point

 

 

2. The God of Christianity is evil -

 

First, define what is evil. Atheists have no basis for morality. What is considered cruel is considered necessary in nature. And so if an Atheist were to say that God is evil, he or she would have to have a basis for why he is evil, besides his or her own opinion. 

 

 

 

 

 

MetalDogGear

When you use the word all like that you're probably wrong, like in this case.  Many atheist make no claim to positive knowledge, but rather question the rationality of ascribing to beliefs of deities as revealed to us by centuries-old books and the necessity of refuting those claims given that there has never been any positive proof for them in the first place.

Atheists do not assume there can be only one true religion, that's a religious claim.  And yes, it is not universal, but most religions that accept various beliefs as true held the view that there was only one true religion at one point and adapted in the face of the obvious fact of the proliferation of several different religions.

It's not that we think the god of Christianity is evil, we don't think he exists in fact, but rather that many of his actions don't conform to the values laid out by the Bible.  It's not really so surprising when you consider that the actual authorship of the Bible spans milennia and that various sections represent temporal values that inevitably come into conflict with the temporal values of later sections and modern Christians.

Atheists have a basis for morality, it's just not universal among us.  I consider myself a utilitarian, the proliferation of pleasure and the reduction of pain is my basis for morality.

shut up

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="CongressManStan"][QUOTE="Rich3232"]kneeha

How does one have morals without having a foundation for them?  Aren't they by definition rules that guide conduct, and don't they therefore out of necessity need some reason for existing?  Even if you're going to make the argument that social norms guide the morality of the irreligious, then those are still the foundation for their morals.

And theist arguments are entirely based on faith alone. Granted I'm a theist, but even I realize the futility in fighting for the existence of an omnipotent creator of the universe without a single shred of evidence to non-believers. Best I can do is believe in my faith.

shut up

Aljosa23

Not sure if stupid Christian or parody of stupid christian.

Why do wis3boi and shadow hate each other?dave123321

I don't hate anyone unless they give me a strong reason to.  If someone finds criticism upsetting and considers it an attack, then that's their poor problem

[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]

 

All atheist arguments are based on one argument: the assumption of what is true and what is not true, such as morality and the quantity of true religions.

These arguments have no basis and therefore should be dismissed.

 

 

First argument:

 

1. How do you know if your religion is true? Out of the many religions out there

 

First off, the atheist assumes that there can only be one true religion. Hinduism believes in many religions. Therefore it is fallacious of one to assume such a point

 

 

2. The God of Christianity is evil -

 

First, define what is evil. Atheists have no basis for morality. What is considered cruel is considered necessary in nature. And so if an Atheist were to say that God is evil, he or she would have to have a basis for why he is evil, besides his or her own opinion. 

 

 

 

 

 

theone86

When you use the word all like that you're probably wrong, like in this case.  Many atheist make no claim to positive knowledge, but rather question the rationality of ascribing to beliefs of deities as revealed to us by centuries-old books and the necessity of refuting those claims given that there has never been any positive proof for them in the first place.

Atheists do not assume there can be only one true religion, that's a religious claim.  And yes, it is not universal, but most religions that accept various beliefs as true held the view that there was only one true religion at one point and adapted in the face of the obvious fact of the proliferation of several different religions.

It's not that we think the god of Christianity is evil, we don't think he exists in fact, but rather that many of his actions don't conform to the values laid out by the Bible.  It's not really so surprising when you consider that the actual authorship of the Bible spans milennia and that various sections represent temporal values that inevitably come into conflict with the temporal values of later sections and modern Christians.

Atheists have a basis for morality, it's just not universal among us.  I consider myself a utilitarian, the proliferation of pleasure and the reduction of pain is my basis for morality.

[QUOTE="kneeha"]He's not saying athiest don't have morals, that's ridiculous everyone has morals. He's saying that there is no foundation for those morals. Your making the argument into something it's not.Zeviander

shut up

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

shut up

MgamerBD

I don't need Jesus to tell me it's wrong to stab a guy 100 times in the face.

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="dave123321"]Why do wis3boi and shadow hate each other?dave123321

Contrary to what you may believe, Atheist arguments work pretty well and are also backed up with plenty of evidence. Theists, on the other hand, have absolutely 0 evidence at their disposal to support their asinine claims that God (or Gods) exist.

There is no shred of proof that any God/s exists except in the imagination of those who have some kind of psychotic disorder.

RELIGION, GOD, etc etc

MetalDogGear

Please stop shoving your religious beliefs on people.

You are free to believe in magic just don't force it on others.

Contrary to what you may believe, Atheist arguments work pretty well and are also backed up with plenty of evidence. Theists, on the other hand, have absolutely 0 evidence at their disposal to support their asinine claims that God (or Gods) exist.

There is no shred of proof that any God/s exists except in the imagination of those who have some kind of psychotic disorder.

pariah3

[QUOTE="pariah3"]

Contrary to what you may believe, Atheist arguments work pretty well and are also backed up with plenty of evidence. Theists, on the other hand, have absolutely 0 evidence at their disposal to support their asinine claims that God (or Gods) exist.

There is no shred of proof that any God/s exists except in the imagination of those who have some kind of psychotic disorder.

ShadowsDemon

One side doen't need evidence.

No one can say there is or isn't a god to a certainty of 100%, however as there is zero evidence in support of the existance of gods I chose to think that there probably isnt a god.

WHich makes you wonder, given all the god worshipped in the world you would think that just one of them would make an appearence, going by the bible god appeared all the time, miracles were common place.

I wonder why god stopped?

Did I walk into school recess? LJS9502_basic

Lets hope not, we wouldn't want you to breach your barring order :P

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Did I walk into school recess? tenaka2

Lets hope not, we wouldn't want you to breach your barring order :P

[QUOTE="pariah3"]

Contrary to what you may believe, Atheist arguments work pretty well and are also backed up with plenty of evidence. Theists, on the other hand, have absolutely 0 evidence at their disposal to support their asinine claims that God (or Gods) exist.

There is no shred of proof that any God/s exists except in the imagination of those who have some kind of psychotic disorder.

ShadowsDemon

Do you pride yourself in showing off how mind-numbingly stupid you are?

One could say there is no evidence for the contrary either. Atheism is not an absence of belief, but a belief of absence. There's not scientific evidence for either side. There's only opinion and beliefs.ShadowsDemon

So you now you just turned it into a semantics argument. Absence of belief in God/s and a belief in the absence of God/s is exactly the same thing semantically so what's your point?

God is Evil? i never heard that one before

God is Evil? i never heard that one before

signzoe

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="pariah3"]

Contrary to what you may believe, Atheist arguments work pretty well and are also backed up with plenty of evidence. Theists, on the other hand, have absolutely 0 evidence at their disposal to support their asinine claims that God (or Gods) exist.

There is no shred of proof that any God/s exists except in the imagination of those who have some kind of psychotic disorder.

worlock77

Do you pride yourself in showing off how mind-numbingly stupid you are?

maybe the two shadows are related :o

maybe the two shadows are related :owis3boi

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="The__Kraken"]JML897

God is Evil? i never heard that one before

signzoe

Those atheists, always saying 'God is evil' as an argument for God not existing.MudoSkills

its to make them feel better incase they go to hell

Those atheists, always saying 'God is evil' as an argument for God not existing.MudoSkills

Killing 25 million people is quite evil in my eyes

[QUOTE="MudoSkills"]Those atheists, always saying 'God is evil' as an argument for God not existing.osirisx3

its to make them feel better incase they go to hell

[QUOTE="osirisx3"]

[QUOTE="MudoSkills"]Those atheists, always saying 'God is evil' as an argument for God not existing.MrPraline

its to make them feel better incase they go to hell

my problem with hell is there is no set idea on what it is. I have heard some say its a place that's just discounted to god and i have heard many say its a place of pain and suffering.

Did I walk into school recess? LJS9502_basic

Loved how they all said 'Shut up' for like 6-8 posts. 

Soooooo, shut up.

[QUOTE="pariah3"]

Contrary to what you may believe, Atheist arguments work pretty well and are also backed up with plenty of evidence. Theists, on the other hand, have absolutely 0 evidence at their disposal to support their asinine claims that God (or Gods) exist.

There is no shred of proof that any God/s exists except in the imagination of those who have some kind of psychotic disorder.

ShadowsDemon

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

shut up

chaoscougar1

Why do religious people care so much what atheists think/believe? and vice versa

  The people who just type "shut up" as a response, should stfu!  If you have nothing to really contribute that would answer the TCs question, like your opinion why he is wrong...  The nerve of irrational people...  To answer number one, that probably would be a fallacy, cant think of which one.  I see what they are trying to say, that maybe religious beliefs are made up by men (which is mostly true).  I would say the christian "religion" is not that simple at all, it at least has a historical basis..  Not just "hey lets believe in some random deity that no one has ever seen!"  The second one is also a fallacy, even the bible said people will say something that is good, is bad.  Overall simplified statements dont really answer a complex issuee, that is why those arguements do not work.

Under your logic, if I grew up where killing is a necessity, and my morals are built around the foundation that every wrong results in death. Is that the kind of logical conclusion you would want in a society?hiphops_savior

.. The hell? Hinduism believes in multiple GODS.. sSubZerOo

  The people who just type "shut up" as a response, should stfu!  If you have nothing to really contribute that would answer the TCs question, like your opinion why he is wrong...  The nerve of irrational people...  To answer number one, that probably would be a fallacy, cant think of which one.  I see what they are trying to say, that maybe religious beliefs are made up by men (which is mostly true).  I would say the christian "religion" is not that simple at all, it at least has a historical basis..  Not just "hey lets believe in some random deity that no one has ever seen!"  The second one is also a fallacy, even the bible said people will say something that is good, is bad.  Overall simplified statements dont really answer a complex issuee, that is why those arguements do not work.

mahlasor

... The majority of religions out there have historical basis..