Why popular Atheist arguments don't work.

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#1 Posted by MetalDogGear (825 posts) -

 

All atheist arguments are based on one argument: the assumption of what is true and what is not true, such as morality and the quantity of true religions.

These arguments have no basis and therefore should be dismissed.

 

 

First argument:

 

1. How do you know if your religion is true? Out of the many religions out there

 

First off, the atheist assumes that there can only be one true religion. Hinduism believes in many religions. Therefore it is fallacious of one to assume such a point

 

 

2. The God of Christianity is evil -

 

First, define what is evil. Atheists have no basis for morality. What is considered cruel is considered necessary in nature. And so if an Atheist were to say that God is evil, he or she would have to have a basis for why he is evil, besides his or her own opinion. 

 

 

 

 

 

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#2 Posted by deactivated-5b1e62582e305 (30778 posts) -

shut up

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#3 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (10873 posts) -

shut up

Aljosa23
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#4 Posted by The__Kraken (858 posts) -

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shut up

HoolaHoopMan

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#5 Posted by Rich3232 (2628 posts) -

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shut up

The__Kraken

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#6 Posted by JML897 (33134 posts) -
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#7 Posted by CongressManStan (918 posts) -
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This^ Also, the idea that atheist don't have morals is ridiculous. Morals aren't exclusive to one religion. Look at the different religions of the world, they share many of the same morals. Morality is bigger than religion. It's a human thing.
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#8 Posted by SaintLeonidas (26735 posts) -
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#9 Posted by kneeha (1333 posts) -
[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="The__Kraken"]CongressManStan

This^ Also, the idea that atheist don't have morals is ridiculous. Morals aren't exclusive to one religion. Look at the different religions of the world, they share many of the same morals. Morality is bigger than religion. It's a human thing.

He's not saying athiest don't have morals, that's ridiculous everyone has morals. He's saying that there is no foundation for those morals. Your making the argument into something it's not.
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#10 Posted by MetalDogGear (825 posts) -
[QUOTE="CongressManStan"][QUOTE="Rich3232"]kneeha
This^ Also, the idea that atheist don't have morals is ridiculous. Morals aren't exclusive to one religion. Look at the different religions of the world, they share many of the same morals. Morality is bigger than religion. It's a human thing.

He's not saying athiest don't have morals, that's ridiculous everyone has morals. He's saying that there is no foundation for those morals. Your making the argument into something it's not.

Exactrly
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#11 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
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#12 Posted by konvikt_17 (22378 posts) -

shut up

Aljosa23

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#14 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
He's not saying athiest don't have morals, that's ridiculous everyone has morals. He's saying that there is no foundation for those morals. Your making the argument into something it's not.kneeha
Either way he should shut up. Morals aren't founded on anything beyond our individual experiences and reasoning. Unless we are so weak minded that we need other people to tell us how to behave.
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#15 Posted by Toph_Girl250 (48978 posts) -

shut up

Aljosa23
Agreed, I think the "New Topic" button needs to figure out how to hide from MetalDogGear.
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#16 Posted by chaoscougar1 (37603 posts) -

shut up

Aljosa23
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#17 Posted by konvikt_17 (22378 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

shut up

Toph_Girl250

Agreed, I think the "New Topic" button needs to figure out how to hide from MetalDogGear.

Need one of these

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#18 Posted by Chow_Mein_Kampf (6203 posts) -

Cheap heat thread is cheap..............

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#19 Posted by Inconsistancy (8094 posts) -

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shut up

InEMplease

(2) And this fails to explain why animals, who don't believe in any religion or gods, have morality. Having a religious base for morality is clearly unnecessary; we all have a base in it from Evolution and the necessity of social animals to work together, to not kill themselves, and to help each other w/o necessary reciprocation.
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#20 Posted by lamprey263 (36172 posts) -
Atheists have no basis for morality.MetalDogGear
why would you think that?
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#21 Posted by worlock77 (22552 posts) -

shut up

Aljosa23

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#22 Posted by MetalDogGear (825 posts) -

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

shut up

worlock77

Worlock..you too? Man, we go way back dude! I thought we were cool...
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#23 Posted by kneeha (1333 posts) -
[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"]

 

All atheist arguments are based on one argument: the assumption of what is true and what is not true, such as morality and the quantity of true religions.

These arguments have no basis and therefore should be dismissed.

 

 

First argument:

 

1. How do you know if your religion is true? Out of the many religions out there

 

First off, the atheist assumes that there can only be one true religion. Hinduism believes in many religions. Therefore it is fallacious of one to assume such a point

 

 

2. The God of Christianity is evil -

 

First, define what is evil. Atheists have no basis for morality. What is considered cruel is considered necessary in nature. And so if an Atheist were to say that God is evil, he or she would have to have a basis for why he is evil, besides his or her own opinion. 

 

 

 

 

 

[/QUOTE They had no good arguments for your points, that's why they just told you to "shut up", if they did, they would have all just trashed you(metaphorically of course). Sorry they were all so rude to you, don't be discouraged :). Anyways You Could alter the first question too. How do you know if any religion ( or a combination of any) is true? And you could alter the second one too The God of Christianity is Evil by it's own definition? He's not, but if a christian didn't know their bible the athiest could trash them
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#24 Posted by worlock77 (22552 posts) -

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

shut up

MetalDogGear

Worlock..you too? Man, we go way back dude! I thought we were cool...

Not sure why you'd think that. I'm fairly certain I've called you ether an idiot or a moron at least a few times.

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#25 Posted by mrbojangles25 (44091 posts) -

I like pie.

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#26 Posted by XaosII (16705 posts) -

That doesn't make sense. The very bible has proof that morality exists without religion.

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#27 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

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#28 Posted by konvikt_17 (22378 posts) -

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wis3boi

got a legit :lol: out of me

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#29 Posted by ShadowsDemon (10059 posts) -
[QUOTE="kneeha"]He's not saying athiest don't have morals, that's ridiculous everyone has morals. He's saying that there is no foundation for those morals. Your making the argument into something it's not.Zeviander
Either way he should shut up. Morals aren't founded on anything beyond our individual experiences and reasoning. Unless we are so weak minded that we need other people to tell us how to behave.

"Don't murder other people" So if I told you that the only way you'd comply would be if you were weak minded? Oh please. :lol:
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#30 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="kneeha"]He's not saying athiest don't have morals, that's ridiculous everyone has morals. He's saying that there is no foundation for those morals. Your making the argument into something it's not.ShadowsDemon
Either way he should shut up. Morals aren't founded on anything beyond our individual experiences and reasoning. Unless we are so weak minded that we need other people to tell us how to behave.

"Don't murder other people" So if I told you that the only way you'd comply would be if you were weak minded? Oh please. :lol:

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#31 Posted by ShadowsDemon (10059 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="Zeviander"] Either way he should shut up. Morals aren't founded on anything beyond our individual experiences and reasoning. Unless we are so weak minded that we need other people to tell us how to behave.wis3boi

"Don't murder other people" So if I told you that the only way you'd comply would be if you were weak minded? Oh please. :lol:

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You really need to think of a proper, intelligent response instead of posting stupid gifs. It makes you look dumb as f*ck.
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#32 Posted by chaoscougar1 (37603 posts) -

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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] "Don't murder other people" So if I told you that the only way you'd comply would be if you were weak minded? Oh please. :lol:ShadowsDemon

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You really need to think of a proper, intelligent response instead of posting stupid gifs. It makes you look dumb as f*ck.

Like you've ever thought of one

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#33 Posted by ShadowsDemon (10059 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

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chaoscougar1

You really need to think of a proper, intelligent response instead of posting stupid gifs. It makes you look dumb as f*ck.

Like you've ever thought of one

Actually responding with a reasonable post is better than posting mindless gifs. So I'm not doing too bad.
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#34 Posted by konvikt_17 (22378 posts) -

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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] You really need to think of a proper, intelligent response instead of posting stupid gifs. It makes you look dumb as f*ck.ShadowsDemon

Like you've ever thought of one

Actually responding with a reasonable post is better than posting mindless gifs. So I'm not doing too bad.

Dont always need words to get a message across

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#35 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"]

Like you've ever thought of one

konvikt_17

Actually responding with a reasonable post is better than posting mindless gifs. So I'm not doing too bad.

Dont always need words to get a message across

When a post is too dumb for words, i break out the gif library

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#36 Posted by Chow_Mein_Kampf (6203 posts) -

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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] Actually responding with a reasonable post is better than posting mindless gifs. So I'm not doing too bad.wis3boi

Dont always need words to get a message across

When a post is too dumb for words, i break out the gif library

Because a picture's worth a thousand words, or something....................

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#37 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="konvikt_17"]

Dont always need words to get a message across

Chow_Mein_Kampf

When a post is too dumb for words, i break out the gif library

Because a picture's worth a thousand words, or something....................

:D

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#38 Posted by Primordialous (1313 posts) -

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shut up

konvikt_17

Agreed, I think the "New Topic" button needs to figure out how to hide from MetalDogGear.

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OMG yes.

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#40 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (10873 posts) -

I like pie.

mrbojangles25
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#41 Posted by Toph_Girl250 (48978 posts) -
I think God is really a dog, a blue alien dog in some twisted secondary universe, he doesn't know how to help, he only wants some doggy biscuits.
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#43 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] "Don't murder other people" So if I told you that the only way you'd comply would be if you were weak minded? Oh please. :lol:

A strong-minded individual would recognize another's right to life and respect it, rather than expecting a "legal system" or religion to tell them otherwise. It's a shame there are so few strong-minded people in the world.
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#44 Posted by Inconsistancy (8094 posts) -

They had no good arguments for your points, that's why they just told you to "shut up", if they did, they would have all just trashed you(metaphorically of course). Sorry they were all so rude to you, don't be discouraged :). Anyways You Could alter the first question too.

How do you know if any religion ( or a combination of any) is true?

And you could alter the second one too The God of Christianity is Evil by it's own definition? He's not, but if a christian didn't know their bible the athiest could trash them

kneeha

You really need to think of a proper, intelligent response instead of posting stupid gifs. It makes you look dumb as f*ck.ShadowsDemon
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(i quite enjoy this gif)

Ridicule does not atomically render an argument valid, or suggest that those participating in ridicule could not form an argument. It may be that the points raised initially are perceived to be so stupid as to not warrant a response otherwise (they are).

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#45 Posted by lonewolf604 (8679 posts) -
Fermez le bouche
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#46 Posted by dave123321 (35391 posts) -
Why do wis3boi and shadow hate each other?
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#47 Posted by Toph_Girl250 (48978 posts) -
Why do wis3boi and shadow hate each other?dave123321
Because it can be fun having arch-rivals.:twisted:
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#48 Posted by dave123321 (35391 posts) -
[QUOTE="dave123321"]Why do wis3boi and shadow hate each other?Toph_Girl250
Because it can be fun having arch-rivals.:twisted:

Find it upsetting
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#49 Posted by ShadowsDemon (10059 posts) -
Why do wis3boi and shadow hate each other?dave123321
I don't hate anyone, least of all someone I never met.
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#50 Posted by ShadowsDemon (10059 posts) -
[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] "Don't murder other people" So if I told you that the only way you'd comply would be if you were weak minded? Oh please. :lol:

A strong-minded individual would recognize another's right to life and respect it, rather than expecting a "legal system" or religion to tell them otherwise. It's a shame there are so few strong-minded people in the world.

Fair enough, but I still think there aren't enough people in the world who actually don't know right from wrong.