What will you do if gas reaches $5?

I think Raw is an angry Leaf owner..UCF_Knight

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]I think Raw is an angry Leaf owner..rawsavon

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]I think Raw is an angry Leaf owner..Atmanix

I think he works for Chevy.

I just hate the way some companies try and sucker some poor fool into buying their crap.
"look at me...I r saving the planet"
*can't drive anywhere*
"look at me...I r have to stay home to charge my car"

I thought gasonline is already over $5....

Nissan Leaf is 20K just saying. still doesn't make a difference as I don't have that kind of cash. Serraph105

25k and it still hasn't come out.

So then the leaf is just a stop gap car?

...a car for one person to use so long as it is convenient.

The leaf is not good for a single person.
The leaf is not good for a family that uses one car (many do).
The leaf is not good for a driver with a long commute (many here in Dallas drive an hour each way to work).
The leaf is not good if there is an emergency and you have to travel in it.
The leaf is not good you want to travel in it.
The leaf is not good if your extra/gas car breaks down and leaves your family with just this car.

The leaf is good if you:
-travel a short ways each day
-have a backup plan
-never want to travel a long ways in it
-never plan on having an emergency
-plan on keeping an extra car to pay taxes on, insure, and maintain

If this deal sounds good to you, then so be it. Different things appeal to different people.
It does not appeal to me. If I were to buy electric, it would be something like the Volt
-if we were talking 20k+, I could understand...but not with this amount

rawsavon

I truly can't think of an emergency scenario where having one electric car would be a problem. Perhaps if an asteroid strike was imminent and the kill zone was larger than the car's range?

It may be true that a Leaf isn't right for everyone, but for anyone in a suburban area without an extreme commute and with more than one car it definitely makes sense.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]Nissan Leaf is 20K just saying. still doesn't make a difference as I don't have that kind of cash. airshocker

25k and it still hasn't come out.

I saw one at Costco just a couple of days ago.

continue to not care because i don't drive.themagicbum9720

Increased gas prices make everything go up since shipping things becomes more expensive

I get the luxury of walking to campus so yay for saving money.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

So then the leaf is just a stop gap car?

...a car for one person to use so long as it is convenient.

The leaf is not good for a single person.
The leaf is not good for a family that uses one car (many do).
The leaf is not good for a driver with a long commute (many here in Dallas drive an hour each way to work).
The leaf is not good if there is an emergency and you have to travel in it.
The leaf is not good you want to travel in it.
The leaf is not good if your extra/gas car breaks down and leaves your family with just this car.

The leaf is good if you:
-travel a short ways each day
-have a backup plan
-never want to travel a long ways in it
-never plan on having an emergency
-plan on keeping an extra car to pay taxes on, insure, and maintain

If this deal sounds good to you, then so be it. Different things appeal to different people.
It does not appeal to me. If I were to buy electric, it would be something like the Volt
-if we were talking 20k+, I could understand...but not with this amount

superfluidity

I truly can't think of an emergency scenario where having one electric car would be a problem. Perhaps if an asteroid strike was imminent and the kill zone was larger than the car's range?

It may be true that a Leaf isn't right for everyone, but for anyone in a suburban area without an extreme commute and with more than one car it definitely makes sense.

Also, I went and looked up the prices
Chevy volt MSRP $32,780
Nissan Leaf MSRP $32780 (you have to scroll over the top banner that says electric to see the price)
-but Nissan just advertises the tax break of UPTO $7500...which brings it down to $25280

1. that does not mean you will get the full tax break
2. you can get a break with the volt as well

So you are still going to buy the Leaf?

Scenario:

-your other car breaks down (gas car break down...it happens, though not as often as asteroids impact the planet, I know)
-your family has to get to2 jobs + kids to school
-your leaf won't make it even close to that far
-what do you do?

Also, I went and looked up the prices
Chevy volt MSRP $32,780
Nissan Leaf MSRP $32780 (you have to scroll over the top banner that says electric to see the price)
-but Nissan just advertises the tax break of UPTO $7500...which brings it down to $25280

1. that does not mean you will get the full tax break
2. you can get a break with the volt as well

So you are still going to buy the Leaf?

rawsavon

Chevy's site says:

Price after tax savings. Net price shown includes the full $7,500 tax credit.
$40,280 MSRP (4) with federal tax savings from $0 up to $7500.

In such a scenario, I'd rent a car for a couple of days. I've had to do it in the past, it wasn't so bad.

[QUOTE="superfluidity"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

So then the leaf is just a stop gap car?

...a car for one person to use so long as it is convenient.

The leaf is not good for a single person.
The leaf is not good for a family that uses one car (many do).
The leaf is not good for a driver with a long commute (many here in Dallas drive an hour each way to work).
The leaf is not good if there is an emergency and you have to travel in it.
The leaf is not good you want to travel in it.
The leaf is not good if your extra/gas car breaks down and leaves your family with just this car.

The leaf is good if you:
-travel a short ways each day
-have a backup plan
-never want to travel a long ways in it
-never plan on having an emergency
-plan on keeping an extra car to pay taxes on, insure, and maintain

If this deal sounds good to you, then so be it. Different things appeal to different people.
It does not appeal to me. If I were to buy electric, it would be something like the Volt
-if we were talking 20k+, I could understand...but not with this amount

rawsavon

I truly can't think of an emergency scenario where having one electric car would be a problem. Perhaps if an asteroid strike was imminent and the kill zone was larger than the car's range?

It may be true that a Leaf isn't right for everyone, but for anyone in a suburban area without an extreme commute and with more than one car it definitely makes sense.

Also, I went and looked up the prices
Chevy volt MSRP $32,780
Nissan Leaf MSRP $32780 (you have to scroll over the top banner that says electric to see the price)
-but Nissan just advertises the tax break of UPTO $7500...which brings it down to $25280

1. that does not mean you will get the full tax break
2. you can get a break with the volt as well

So you are still going to buy the Leaf?

Isn't the $7,500 tax break just a reduction of that amount from your taxable income? It's not like you actually reduce or overall tax bill by $7,500. Or am I getting that wrong?

YellowOneKinobi

It's a credit, so you can actually get a check from the government. I think it has income restrictions at some level.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Scenario:

-your other car breaks down (gas car break down...it happens, though not as often as asteroids impact the planet, I know)
-your family has to get to2 jobs + kids to school
-your leaf won't make it even close to that far
-what do you do?

Also, I went and looked up the prices
Chevy volt MSRP $32,780
Nissan Leaf MSRP $32780 (you have to scroll over the top banner that says electric to see the price)
-but Nissan just advertises the tax break of UPTO $7500...which brings it down to $25280

1. that does not mean you will get the full tax break
2. you can get a break with the volt as well

So you are still going to buy the Leaf?

superfluidity

Chevy's site says:

Price after tax savings. Net price shown includes the full $7,500 tax credit.
$40,280 MSRP (4) with federal tax savings from $0 up to $7500.

In such a scenario, I'd rent a car for a couple of days. I've had to do it in the past, it wasn't so bad.

And you will spend that much on car like the Leaf?

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

Isn't the $7,500 tax break just a reduction of that amount from your taxable income? It's not like you actually reduce or overall tax bill by $7,500. Or am I getting that wrong?

superfluidity

It's a credit, so you can actually get a check from the government. I think it has income restrictions at some level.

There are almost always restrictions. Though I cannot say I have looked into them

Get a bike.

This is the main reason I don't own a car...

I meant to type different numbers...my bad

$7500 will really keep up from buying the far better car?

And you will spend that much on car like the Leaf?

rawsavon

That's a 30% increase in price over the Leaf, yes that would be a major deciding factor in my purchase. The main issue is that with a small amount of planning, the difference in features is negligible, because it wouldn't be necessary to have that longer range.

If I had to buy new car today I would very likely buy a Leaf. My main apprehension is just that it's such new technology, so if I had any way of holding out for a couple more years I definitely would.

So you could be paying near full price 30k+ for the leaf rawsavon

when gas gets to 15 i think i might revive old business forms, starting with the rickshaw

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

I meant to type different numbers...my bad

$7500 will really keep up from buying the far better car?

And you will spend that much on car like the Leaf?

superfluidity

That's a 30% increase in price over the Leaf, yes that would be a major deciding factor in my purchase. The main issue is that with a small amount of planning, the difference in features is negligible, because it wouldn't be necessary to have that longer range.

If I had to buy new car today I would very likely buy a Leaf. My main apprehension is just that it's such new technology, so if I had any way of holding out for a couple more years I definitely would.

Leaf can go about 108 miles per charge
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/new-models/2010-11/nissan-leaf-range-test/

Leaf can go 62 to 98 miles
http://www.autoweek.com/article/20110324/GREEN/110329945

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]So you could be paying near full price 30k+ for the leaf UCF_Knight

when gas gets to 15 i think i might revive old business forms, starting with the rickshaw

surrealnumber5

I've got this covered
...2 birds with one stone (employment and travel)

I'd rather spend 25k on a car I actually like and dedicate the other 5k towards gas for the next five years.UCF_Knight

That's an extremely optimistic level of cost unless you drive very little. If you commute to work and spend $50 per week on gas, that's $2,600 in just one year.

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"] I'd rather spend 25k on a car I actually like and dedicate the other 5k towards gas for the next five years.superfluidity

That's an extremely optimistic level of cost unless you drive very little. If you commute to work and spend $50 per week on gas, that's $2,600 in just one year.

I work and go to school at the same place. Which is two miles away. So most often I only travel four miles a day. My local grocery store and supermarket are even closer, so add another couple miles once a week. Calculate that. :PUCF_Knight

Even still, if you finish school and find a job elsewhere you would suddenly need to face the full brunt of the oil market.

Get another job or better job.

I'll just siphon it out of my neighbors cars.

hello public transit

haha

cant afford gas in my car at $5 a gallon :/

[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"]I work and go to school at the same place. Which is two miles away. So most often I only travel four miles a day. My local grocery store and supermarket are even closer, so add another couple miles once a week. Calculate that. :Psuperfluidity

Even still, if you finish school and find a job elsewhere you would suddenly need to face the full brunt of the oil market.

Well, I don't drive, but if gas goes up, that can affect fares for buses and trains, which are largely how I get around.

I'm not at my breaking point yet.

However, if gas goes up to 9 or 10 dollars a gallon, I'll have to trade in my Hybrid for an electric car. That new Nissan leaf looks like you could plug it in anywhere. Instead of the current $45 a month I spend of gas to fuel my car, I'd spend less than $5 to charge it. Hell, I should by an electric car now. Screw the oil companies. :twisted:

guess I'll end up paying $50 a tank. man that would suck.

Serraph105

If gas reaches $5 then I will make $5 reach me.

I will be using my motorcycle a lot more than I do now.

If that happens I might not be able to go on a road trip with friends to Chicago this summer, which has been planned for quite some time.

Tigerman950

Well here petrol is already over $5 a gallon when you convert it. I've paid $1.40 a litre for a tank of fuel in the past month ...

I don't have a car and if I did, I'd park it and bike pedal down the highway. Using the money I save on gas to get a electric or hybrid car. I really wish they didn't look so damn ugly...

It's pissing me off though that they are raising the prices that high. People wouldn't be hurting if they are allowed to go long distances without needing to pay $50 to $80 in order to fill their tank. I miss the $1.00-$1.50 gas prices before george bush era.....