What will you do if gas reaches $5?

[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

Have fun paying 40k+.

surrealnumber5

Celebrate the fact that the market cost has finally reached a point where it reflects 1/3 of the real cost, and hope that I live to see the day when that figure triples.

The price of gas per gallon where I live is equivalent to nearly $7.50.

Nissan Leaf is 20K just saying. still doesn't make a difference as I don't have that kind of cash. Serraph105

Why, I'll walk the fifty miles to school, of course.Theokhoth

Road bike seems like a good idea, i have always found biking enjoyable.

Road bike seems like a good idea, i have always found biking enjoyable.

Shrimp_Scampi

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]Why, I'll walk the fifty miles to school, of course.YellowOneKinobi

[QUOTE="Shrimp_Scampi"]

Road bike seems like a good idea, i have always found biking enjoyable.

surrealnumber5

only dangerous if you don't know how to ride, feel that cities should become more pedestrian/bike friendly anyways.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"]

[QUOTE="Shrimp_Scampi"]

Road bike seems like a good idea, i have always found biking enjoyable.

Shrimp_Scampi

only dangerous if you don't know how to ride, feel that cities should become more pedestrian/bike friendly anyways.

[QUOTE="Serraph105"]Nissan Leaf is 20K just saying. still doesn't make a difference as I don't have that kind of cash. Engrish_Major

The Volt seems to be the best option...from the ones I have seenrawsavon

It's like $10k more than the Leaf, there's no way it's worth it even with much higher gas prices.

[QUOTE="Shrimp_Scampi"]

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] but bikes are dangerous and will increase our healthcare costs!

surrealnumber5

only dangerous if you don't know how to ride, feel that cities should become more pedestrian/bike friendly anyways.

I'll be doing absolutely nothing just like everyone else. I don't drive a vehicle anyways, so gas prices don't affect me to much. MystikFollower

Not much I can do. I need my car to get to work and to function on a daily basis. They could charge me $10 and I'd still be paying it.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] The Volt seems to be the best option...from the ones I have seensuperfluidity

It's like $10k more than the Leaf, there's no way it's worth it even with much higher gas prices.

10k is small price for the difference in capabilities and functionality

[QUOTE="superfluidity"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] The Volt seems to be the best option...from the ones I have seenrawsavon

It's like $10k more than the Leaf, there's no way it's worth it even with much higher gas prices.

10k is small price for the difference in capabilities and functionality

I agree. The Volt from what I've seen is pretty impressive.

Or am I thinking of the Tesla...

Have you seen the comparison b/w the two?

If you have, then I wonder what the basis is for your assertion.
If you have not, then I would invite you to look at it and then revisit your post.

10k is small price for the difference in capabilities and functionality

rawsavon

I would only buy such a vehicle for financial reasons (insulation from commodity prices), so it has to make sense financially. If performance was a priority I'd be buying something entirely different.

I already pay nearly $8 a gallon let alone 5.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

[QUOTE="superfluidity"]

It's like $10k more than the Leaf, there's no way it's worth it even with much higher gas prices.

Atmanix

10k is small price for the difference in capabilities and functionality

I agree. The Volt from what I've seen is pretty impressive.

Or am I thinking of the Tesla...

[QUOTE="Atmanix"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Have you seen the comparison b/w the two?
If you have, then I wonder what the basis is for your assertion.
If you have not, then I would invite you to look at it and then revisit your post.

10k is small price for the difference in capabilities and functionality

surrealnumber5

I agree. The Volt from what I've seen is pretty impressive.

Or am I thinking of the Tesla...

I drive my cars into the ground, yeah. By the time I'm looking for a new one I imagine electric will be much more common and cheaper.

Rift is a great game, I'd recommend it if you're looking for an alternative to WoW. The armor/weapon design is pretty bland in my opinion but that was really my only issue with it. There are some bugs with the BIG rift events but they'll be worked out shortly I'm sure.

I stopped playing simply because I didn't have the time. I'd get on for maybe a couple hours every couple days and felt stupid for paying $15 a month for that.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Have you seen the comparison b/w the two?

If you have, then I wonder what the basis is for your assertion.
If you have not, then I would invite you to look at it and then revisit your post.

10k is small price for the difference in capabilities and functionality

superfluidity

I would only buy such a vehicle for financial reasons (insulation from commodity prices), so it has to make sense financially. If performance was a priority I'd be buying something entirely different.

Saving money in the short run =/= saving money and time and ability to drive where you want to in the long run

Then I will take that as you have not read the comparison.

-hp is one thing (which there is a difference there as well)
-but you also need to go check on the capabilities...as in how far you can drive and ease to recharge/refuel

Saving money in the short run =/= saving money and time and ability to drive where you want to in the long run

rawsavon

I've followed both vehicles and the price of the Volt doesn't seem justified from a consumer standpoint. Both of the issues you raised are performance related and I don't see how those will save money in the long run, though it depends on how one intends to use the vehicle. As a commuter vehicle, the Leaf is clearly superior by my estimation.

Perhaps a dirt-cheap subcompact would provide better value at current gas prices, but an electric vehicle is basically insurance against speculation and doomsday scenario shortages.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Then I will take that as you have not read the comparison.

-hp is one thing (which there is a difference there as well)
-but you also need to go check on the capabilities...as in how far you can drive and ease to recharge/refuel

Saving money in the short run =/= saving money and time and ability to drive where you want to in the long run

superfluidity

I've followed both vehicles and the price of the Volt doesn't seem justified from a consumer standpoint. Both of the issues you raised are performance related and I don't see how those will save money in the long run, though it depends on how one intends to use the vehicle. As a commuter vehicle, the Leaf is clearly superior by my estimation.

Perhaps a dirt-cheap subcompact would provide better value at current gas prices, but an electric vehicle is basically insurance against speculation and doomsday scenario shortages.

Good luck with the leaf if you ever HAVE to travel
-like you want to go on a trip
-have an emergency
-w/e

Like you said, the leaf is only an insurance policy...not a solution for anyone w/out a second vehicle to use in case they need to travel.
IMO the leaf is worthless unless you
-need to drive only a few miles each day total
-have another way to get around should the need for more miles arise

Many in America have access to great public transportation...but the majority of places are not like that.

So why would anyone buy the leaf???
If you have that much to spend on a 'novelty' vehicle, why not spend 10k more on a practical one that fits any situation

The extra demand on the power grid in future from electical car charging would likely see a new energy crisis arise, given the now new founded worries over nuclear power there will likely be a scramble for liquid gas and oil powered stations.

hence massive increases in electricity prices and an even heavier reliance on oil production/importation.

Hybrid cars are the best solution to the problem with gas/petrol prices, switching from one extreme to the other is only going to cause more problems elsewhere.

Good luck with the leaf if you ever HAVE to travel
-like you want to go on a trip
-have an emergency
-w/e

Like you said, the leaf is only an insurance policy...not a solution for anyone w/out a second vehicle to use in case they need to travel.
IMO the leaf is worthless unless you
-need to drive only a few miles each day total
-have another way to get around should the need for more miles arise

Many in America have access to great public transportation...but the majority of places are not like that.

So why would anyone buy the leaf???
If you have that much to spend on a 'novelty' vehicle, why not spend 10k more on a practical one that fits any situation

rawsavon

The Leaf is basically a complete solution to suburban areas that lack public transportation. It's a way to get around locally at next to no cost after your initial investment.

I personally won't buy a Leaf because I won't need a new car for a few more years, but when I do get a new car it will be an electric. I'll always keep one gas vehicle around until technology improves to where it isn't necessary.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Good luck with the leaf if you ever HAVE to travel
-like you want to go on a trip
-have an emergency
-w/e

Like you said, the leaf is only an insurance policy...not a solution for anyone w/out a second vehicle to use in case they need to travel.
IMO the leaf is worthless unless you
-need to drive only a few miles each day total
-have another way to get around should the need for more miles arise

Many in America have access to great public transportation...but the majority of places are not like that.

So why would anyone buy the leaf???
If you have that much to spend on a 'novelty' vehicle, why not spend 10k more on a practical one that fits any situation

superfluidity

The Leaf is basically a complete solution to suburban areas that lack public transportation. It's a way to get around locally at next to no cost after your initial investment.

I personally won't buy a Leaf because I won't need a new car for a few more years, but when I do get a new car it will be an electric. I'll always keep one gas vehicle around until technology improves to where it isn't necessary.

The extra demand on the power grid in future from electical car charging would likely see a new energy crisis arise, given the now new founded worries over nuclear power there will likely be a scramble for liquid gas and oil powered stations.

hence massive increases in electricity prices and an even heavier reliance on oil production/importation.

Hybrid cars are the best solution to the problem with gas/petrol prices, switching from one extreme to the other is only going to cause more problems elsewhere.

HydroMat

The US is the Saudi Arabia of coal.

We have coal reserves in the hundreds of years.

Not to mention other developing power sources.(we have a hundred years or so to perfect)

Pay $5 a gallon no big deal

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Good luck with the leaf if you ever HAVE to travel
-like you want to go on a trip
-have an emergency
-w/e

Like you said, the leaf is only an insurance policy...not a solution for anyone w/out a second vehicle to use in case they need to travel.
IMO the leaf is worthless unless you
-need to drive only a few miles each day total
-have another way to get around should the need for more miles arise

Many in America have access to great public transportation...but the majority of places are not like that.

So why would anyone buy the leaf???
If you have that much to spend on a 'novelty' vehicle, why not spend 10k more on a practical one that fits any situation

superfluidity

The Leaf is basically a complete solution to suburban areas that lack public transportation. It's a way to get around locally at next to no cost after your initial investment.

I personally won't buy a Leaf because I won't need a new car for a few more years, but when I do get a new car it will be an electric. I'll always keep one gas vehicle around until technology improves to where it isn't necessary.

basically say what the hell and keep on taking the subway like i always do

[QUOTE="superfluidity"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Good luck with the leaf if you ever HAVE to travel
-like you want to go on a trip
-have an emergency
-w/e

Like you said, the leaf is only an insurance policy...not a solution for anyone w/out a second vehicle to use in case they need to travel.
IMO the leaf is worthless unless you
-need to drive only a few miles each day total
-have another way to get around should the need for more miles arise

Many in America have access to great public transportation...but the majority of places are not like that.

So why would anyone buy the leaf???
If you have that much to spend on a 'novelty' vehicle, why not spend 10k more on a practical one that fits any situation

Serraph105

The Leaf is basically a complete solution to suburban areas that lack public transportation. It's a way to get around locally at next to no cost after your initial investment.

I personally won't buy a Leaf because I won't need a new car for a few more years, but when I do get a new car it will be an electric. I'll always keep one gas vehicle around until technology improves to where it isn't necessary.

The leaf (IMO) is a terrible investment
-it is an 'extra' car to have
-if you have the money for an extra car, then just spend more a buy the volt which is better in every category

Your post did not address any of the issues I brought up and simply confirmed what I said :?

rawsavon

Well, the issues you raised are probably clear for anyone considering a Leaf. I don't think anyone buys one intending for it to fill all of the possible roles a gas vehicle would, some planning is necessary for it to make sense. If you have some way of travelling longer distances when necessary and live in an area of suburban sprawl, the Leaf makes a lot of financial sense.

basically say what the hell and keep on taking the subway like i always do

mlbslugger86

I'm kinda envious of the cities that have good public transportation. I feel like it would be extreemly beneficial if the American government was able to make it so cars were less neccessary. I would probably end up living in a dorm again if that happened, simply because I already have trouble affording gas as it is.

Or just pay 10k more for the volt (which if your trade in is worth anything = way less than 10k)

-also pay less on insurance b/c you don't need the extra car
-pay less to maintain the other car
-have a vehicle that will fit any situation

The leaf (IMO) is a terrible investment
-it is an 'extra' car to have
-if you have the money for an extra car, then just spend more a buy the volt which is better in every category

rawsavon

I think that most families have more than one car. In my case the new electric will probably go to my wife while I'll keep driving one of our older cars. It will cut commuting costs 50% and greatly reduce travel costs everywhere else.

I would probabky but a motorcycle for better gas mileage. My car already takes $50 to fill up (13 gallon tank)

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]

Or just pay 10k more for the volt (which if your trade in is worth anything = way less than 10k)

-also pay less on insurance b/c you don't need the extra car
-pay less to maintain the other car
-have a vehicle that will fit any situation

The leaf (IMO) is a terrible investment
-it is an 'extra' car to have
-if you have the money for an extra car, then just spend more a buy the volt which is better in every category

superfluidity

I think that most families have more than one car. In my case the new electric will probably go to my wife while I'll keep driving one of our older cars. It will cut commuting costs 50% and greatly reduce travel costs everywhere else.

The leaf is not good for a single person.
The leaf is not good for a family that uses one car (many do).
The leaf is not good for a driver with a long commute (many here in Dallas drive an hour each way to work).
The leaf is not good if there is an emergency and you have to travel in it.
The leaf is not good you want to travel in it.
The leaf is not good if your extra/gas car breaks down and leaves your family with just this car.

The leaf is good if you:
-travel a short ways each day
-have a backup plan
-never want to travel a long ways in it
-never plan on having an emergency
-plan on keeping an extra car to pay taxes on, insure, and maintain

If this deal sounds good to you, then so be it. Different things appeal to different people.
It does not appeal to me. If I were to buy electric, it would be something like the Volt
-if we were talking 20k+, I could understand...but not with this amount

I think Raw is an angry Leaf owner..UCF_Knight

I think he works for Chevy.