[QUOTE="paratheos"]The modifier "I believe" serves to highlight the subjective nature of the statement.-Sun_Tzu-
No it doesn't. Prefacing a sentence with "I believe" doesn't make it any more subjective than it would otherwise be. Belief in a claim is already implied the moment the claim is made. You don't see the difference and won't so I don't see why they are wasting their time with it....
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No they aren't. Saying God exists does not exist is not the same as saying I believe God exists/does not exist. Seriously dude....:|Austindro
If you say that God does/doesn't exist, it's already implied that you believe it. Prefacing that statement with "I believe" is redundant and doesn't change the meaning of the sentence one iota.
If you say that then you are implying as if it is a fact. If you say I believe then has more to do with faith. No one says I believe 2+2=4, they just say 2+2=4.
Of course you are implying it as if it is a fact. You're also implying it to be a fact if you preface with "I believe." You wouldn't believe that God does/doesn't exist if you didn't think that position were true in the first place.
[QUOTE="paratheos"]The modifier "I believe" serves to highlight the subjective nature of the statement.-Sun_Tzu-
No it doesn't. Prefacing a sentence with "I believe" doesn't make it any more subjective than it would otherwise be. Belief in a claim is already implied the moment the claim is made. You clearly have no understanding of linguistics or any form of verbal reasoning.
do we really need one of these everyday?dontshackzmii
Some people enjoy talking about their days. Some enjoy discussing the news. Others enjoy posting pictures of themselves and swooning over any girl that enters the thread. Others enjoy discussing religion and it's nuances within society and contrasting their views with those of others. Don't enjoy it? Ignore it.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] If you say that God does/doesn't exist, it's already implied that you believe it. Prefacing that statement with "I believe" is redundant and doesn't change the meaning of the sentence one iota.
-Sun_Tzu-
If you say that then you are implying as if it is a fact. If you say I believe then has more to do with faith. No one says I believe 2+2=4, they just say 2+2=4.
Of course you are implying it as if it is a fact. You're also implying it to be a fact if you preface with "I believe." You wouldn't believe that God does/doesn't exist if you didn't think that position were true in the first place.
Accept as a premise for the sake of argument that something is 75% likely to occur. Due to the fact that event is probably going to occur, one can state that they believe that event is going to happen. This is different than directly stating that the event IS going to happen, as the statement presumes more certainty.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="paratheos"]The modifier "I believe" serves to highlight the subjective nature of the statement.paratheos
No it doesn't. Prefacing a sentence with "I believe" doesn't make it any more subjective than it would otherwise be. Belief in a claim is already implied the moment the claim is made. You clearly have no understanding of linguistics or any form of verbal reasoning. Obviously. Sun makes no sense half the time he posts.
Im a Sikh, and I believe most atheists are Christians, I won't abandon my religion because it actually means something now, america destroyed christianity
While there are more atheists than ever before, polls show that atheism's percentages seem to be declining. This may be because birth rates in religious societies are much higher
[QUOTE="alexside1"] No one said anything about magic prior to your post.
alexside1
So religion doesn't run on magic?
Evidence for God has always been grounded on magical phenomena that cannot be explained through logic and scientific reasoning. In fact, the only convincing trait to others that Jesus was the son of God was his magical abilities. Because he did things that no ordinary Human can achieve through science, he was considered a god. I believe that every single aspect of existence runs on a logical process. There are no Gods, just people with better science than others.
Do religious people consider supernatural phenomena to be "magic"? Ask yourself that. Otherwise your attacking a straw-man.
And I'm not going to address the rest of your post, because it's strikes me as a side-rant.
Accept as a premise for the sake of argument that something is 75% likely to occur. Due to the fact that event is probably going to occur, one can state that they believe that event is going to happen. This is different than directly stating that the event IS going to happen, as the statement presumes more certainty.
coolbeans90
But in both cases you'd believe that the event is going to happen. Sure, one can have varying degrees of certainty, but the aforementioned preface doesn't do anything to denote that degree. It really is just stating the obvious.
Not many Jewish people period. Yeah besides the one Jewish country and a few american refugees that are being assimilated, world war 2 killed thier religion, and its really stupid that people hate on them should have put hindu in the poll because jewish is not really a big religion at all
But in both cases you'd believe that the event is going to happen. Sure, one can have varying degrees of certainty, but the aforementioned preface doesn't do anything to denote that degree. It really is just stating the obvious. -Sun_Tzu-
Yes, in both cases there is at the very least implied belief. However, in only one case is there an overt statement of probabilistic confidence. Likewise, the statements are not necessarily the same.
The art of producing a desired effect or result through theuse of incantation or various other techniques that presumably assure human control of supernatural agencies or the forces of nature.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]But in both cases you'd believe that the event is going to happen. Sure, one can have varying degrees of certainty, but the aforementioned preface doesn't do anything to denote that degree. It really is just stating the obvious. coolbeans90
Yes, in both cases there is at the very least implied belief. However, in only one case is there an overt statement of probabilistic confidence. Likewise, the statements are not necessarily the same.
But in both your example and alexside's post the two statements were the same. You could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. I believe you could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. It doesn't qualify anything (unlike could, maybe, possibly, ect), it just clarifies that one believes the claim that they them self just made.
[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]do we really need one of these everyday?foxhound_fox
Some people enjoy talking about their days. Some enjoy discussing the news. Others enjoy posting pictures of themselves and swooning over any girl that enters the thread. Others enjoy discussing religion and it's nuances within society and contrasting their views with those of others. Don't enjoy it? Ignore it.
its not that i dont enjoy it its that i see these threads all the time.
But in both your example and alexside's post the two statements were the same. You could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. I believe you could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. It doesn't qualify anything (unlike could, maybe, possibly, ect), it just clarifies that one believes the claim that they them self just made. -Sun_Tzu-
"I believe" adds a potential degree of uncertainty to the statement itself. (implied, but similar to "maybe")
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]But in both cases you'd believe that the event is going to happen. Sure, one can have varying degrees of certainty, but the aforementioned preface doesn't do anything to denote that degree. It really is just stating the obvious. -Sun_Tzu-
Yes, in both cases there is at the very least implied belief. However, in only one case is there an overt statement of probabilistic confidence. Likewise, the statements are not necessarily the same.
But in both your example and alexside's post the two statements were the same. You could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. I believe you could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. It doesn't qualify anything (unlike could, maybe, possibly, ect), it just clarifies that one believes the claim that they them self just made. Did you fall on your head when you were an infant?
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]But in both your example and alexside's post the two statements were the same. You could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. I believe you could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. It doesn't qualify anything (unlike could, maybe, possibly, ect), it just clarifies that one believes the claim that they them self just made. coolbeans90
"I believe" adds a potential degree of uncertainty to the statement itself. (implied, but similar to "maybe")
I think this is the part of the argument where you just have to insult the other poster.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]But in both cases you'd believe that the event is going to happen. Sure, one can have varying degrees of certainty, but the aforementioned preface doesn't do anything to denote that degree. It really is just stating the obvious. -Sun_Tzu-
Yes, in both cases there is at the very least implied belief. However, in only one case is there an overt statement of probabilistic confidence. Likewise, the statements are not necessarily the same.
But in both your example and alexside's post the two statements were the same. You could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. I believe you could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. It doesn't qualify anything (unlike could, maybe, possibly, ect), it just clarifies that one believes the claim that they them self just made. Look at it this way....let's say I have specs on both our cars and say my car can beat yours in a race. That is something factual because I've studied the specifications of both cars. Now....conversely I haven't studied the specs but I believe my car is better than yours....so I say I believe my car will beat yours in a race. See the difference?
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]But in both your example and alexside's post the two statements were the same. You could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. I believe you could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. It doesn't qualify anything (unlike could, maybe, possibly, ect), it just clarifies that one believes the claim that they them self just made. coolbeans90
"I believe" adds a potential degree of uncertainty to the statement itself.
People tend to use it to connote that, but it never changes the actual meaning of a sentence.
Yes, in both cases there is at the very least implied belief. However, in only one case is there an overt statement of probabilistic confidence. Likewise, the statements are not necessarily the same.
LJS9502_basic
But in both your example and alexside's post the two statements were the same. You could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. I believe you could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. It doesn't qualify anything (unlike could, maybe, possibly, ect), it just clarifies that one believes the claim that they them self just made. Look at it this way....let's say I have specs on both our cars and say my car can beat yours in a race. That is something factual because I've studied the specifications of both cars. Now....conversely I haven't studied the specs but I believe my car is better than yours....so I say I believe my car will beat yours in a race. See the difference? Yes, in the first statement you are saying that it is possible for your car to beat mine and in the second statement you are saying that your car will beat mine.
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]But in both your example and alexside's post the two statements were the same. You could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. I believe you could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. It doesn't qualify anything (unlike could, maybe, possibly, ect), it just clarifies that one believes the claim that they them self just made. -Sun_Tzu-
"I believe" adds a potential degree of uncertainty to the statement itself.
People tend to use it to connote that, but it never changes the actual meaning of a sentence. That makes no sense.
[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] But in both your example and alexside's post the two statements were the same. You could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. I believe you could take any claim imaginable and add "I believe" to it and that claim will never change. It doesn't qualify anything (unlike could, maybe, possibly, ect), it just clarifies that one believes the claim that they them self just made. -Sun_Tzu-
Look at it this way....let's say I have specs on both our cars and say my car can beat yours in a race. That is something factual because I've studied the specifications of both cars. Now....conversely I haven't studied the specs but I believe my car is better than yours....so I say I believe my car will beat yours in a race. See the difference? Yes, in the first statement you are saying that it is possible for your car to beat mine and in the second statement you are saying that your car will beat mine. :lol: you're still not getting it.
"I believe" adds a potential degree of uncertainty to the statement itself.
DroidPhysX
People tend to use it to connote that, but it never changes the actual meaning of a sentence. That makes no sense. All it is is the difference between connotation and denotation.
Catholicism. I believe in the teachings of Cathol and all that he stood for.
ShuLordLiuPei
Ha ha. What's that Latin Bible again? You need a head slap with it..... Vulgate. Wool-got-uh. Get it right, LJ! You aren't pronouncing it like it looks.:x
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