What religion do you associate yourself with?

None.

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"][QUOTE="alexside1"] Troll harder.Inconsistancy

I'll be perfectly frank, religious documents are just creative writing exercises, hypothetical fiction, not so much different form Harry Potter, except that it seems their construction is designed to be believed in. A false documentary.

I know having said that I'll offend some people, but I'm sorry it's the truth.

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] Cause it's piss poor.

alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="ColdExistence"] Well, the problem isn't my trolling. The problem is you assuming that I am trolling, which would inevitably make it seem like a poor troll attempt.

ColdExistence

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] I do not "assume" I know, because I know you.alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"][QUOTE="ColdExistence"] Wow. That's awesome. I have no idea who you are, but you know who I am... *gasp* does that mean you are a stalker!?

ColdExistence

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"][QUOTE="alexside1"] Anyone can read your post on this forum. No need for stalking.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

I don't believe in magic.

Blue-Sky

So religion doesn't run on magic?

Do religious people consider supernatural phenomena to be "magic"? Ask yourself that. Otherwise your attacking a straw-man.

And I'm not going to address the rest of your post, because it's strikes me as a side-rant.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"] No one said anything about magic prior to your post.

alexside1

So religion doesn't run on magic?

Do religious people consider supernatural phenomena to be "magic"? Ask yourself that. Otherwise your attacking a straw-man.

And I'm not going to address the rest of your post, because it's strikes me as a side-rant.

one does not simply argue religion on the internet without geting mad

If i could sum myself up as a religion, it'd be Judaism.

Total loser and quite peculiar.

Nature based spirituality.

For the Abrahamic God, I am an atheist. For other possible gods, I am agnostic. ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]None.

[QUOTE="ColdExistence"]Why? alexside1

I'll be perfectly frank, religious documents are just creative writing exercises, hypothetical fiction, not so much different form Harry Potter, except that it seems their construction is designed to be believed in. A false documentary.

I know having said that I'll offend some people, but I'm sorry it's the truth.

Claiming it's false requires evidence just as claiming that it's true. I'm certain that you don't have any, and just believe it's false, am I right? So don't going around preaching like you know the "truth" when you don't have any.

If there were evidence, then it'd be true, but there is no evidence of it being true. There's no evidence of the Earth being the center of the SOLAR system, I don't think I have to provide evidence to prove that wrong...

Find me proof that Jesus was resurrected, that Noah was able to build a ship large enough to carry 2 of each animal (and why?, some are asexual and don't require a mate...) and that you could actually get 2 of every animal onto a single ship, keep them alive, feed them... This isn't possible with MODERN technology, let alone technology that existed before MODERN science.

Find me proof of creation, show me that there isn't an evolutionary tree, with a common ancestor. Show me that all the animals had a population, at one point, of two.

Prove to me that the Earth is less than 4.6 Billion years old.

Oh, and while you're at that, find proof of that 'biblical' (pun :D) flood.

Just as you can't find any proof of Earth being at the center of the universe, you can't find any proof of the 'miracles' of scripture.

If there is a God, there is no evidence of any direct influence, at very most this 'God' defined the laws of physics, set off the big bang, and took a nap, that's it.

And if there were Any evidence of the validity of scripture (miracles), I'd be willing to listen, and I'm sure the scientific community would be willing acknowledge it as well.

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By your same logic, there is no proof that the Lord of the Rings isn't true, so it must be true. I cannot find any evidence on Earth that in Another Universe, some guy named Gandolf can perform magic 'n such, it's a different universe, maybe the laws of physics in that universe are fine with that... maybe LotR was a documentary, not a mere book of fiction.

Prove me wrong about LotR being a documentary.

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Other.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]For the Abrahamic God, I am an atheist. For other possible gods, I am agnostic. LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]For the Abrahamic God, I am an atheist. For other possible gods, I am agnostic. ghoklebutter

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]*post*foxhound_fox

It's absurd, you can't prove anything when you put it into certain context. I could say: "The Moon is made of cheese, and flat" and then follow a bs technicality, that nothing can be truly proven, and then you'd have to agree with me.

I mean, maybe it is? Who's to say we, mere mortals, know what cheese is, what spherical is... If God says it's cheesy and flat, it Is true.

I'm saying, with No evidence, why believe something, why belive it to be fact, why defend it?

It's like the 'theory' of evolution, daft people think the word theory has only 1 meaning, that it's just a hypothisis. In this case, of course, it means it's basically a fact. There are people(imbeciles) who think it's 'just a theory', even with all the evidence that has been seen, they say "it's just a theory". Yet with No evidence of something those same people say "It's a fact, I have faith" (faith is just plugging your ears and saying "la la la la, I can't hear you.")

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The highest certainty you can have in anything is only 99.999999999999... and so on %.

Was raised as a Christian, am atheist though.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]*post*Inconsistancy

It's absurd, you can't prove anything when you put it into certain context. I could say: "The Moon is made of cheese, and flat" and then follow a bs technicality, that nothing can be truly proven, and then you'd have to agree with me.

I mean, maybe it is? Who's to say we, mere mortals, know what cheese is, what spherical is... If God says it's cheesy and flat, it Is true.

I'm saying, with No evidence, why believe something, why belive it to be fact, why defend it?

It's like the 'theory' of evolution, daft people think the word theory has only 1 meaning, that it's just a hypothisis. In this case, of course, it means it's basically a fact. There are people(imbeciles) who think it's 'just a theory', even with all the evidence that has been seen, they say "it's just a theory". Yet with No evidence of something those same people say "It's a fact, I have faith" (faith is just plugging your ears and saying "la la la la, I can't hear you.")

If there is a god and heaven and hell and all that bullsh!t, i'm so going to laugh at you. :lol:

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] You are making the affirmative claim that it isn't true. The burden of proof lies with you. Unless you cede to the fact that it is impossible to "know" and verify it objectively either way.Ilovegames1992

It's absurd, you can't prove anything when you put it into certain context. I could say: "The Moon is made of cheese, and flat" and then follow a bs technicality, that nothing can be truly proven, and then you'd have to agree with me.

I mean, maybe it is? Who's to say we, mere mortals, know what cheese is, what spherical is... If God says it's cheesy and flat, it Is true.

I'm saying, with No evidence, why believe something, why belive it to be fact, why defend it?

It's like the 'theory' of evolution, daft people think the word theory has only 1 meaning, that it's just a hypothisis. In this case, of course, it means it's basically a fact. There are people(imbeciles) who think it's 'just a theory', even with all the evidence that has been seen, they say "it's just a theory". Yet with No evidence of something those same people say "It's a fact, I have faith" (faith is just plugging your ears and saying "la la la la, I can't hear you.")

If there is a god and heaven and hell and all that bullsh!t, i'm so going to laugh at you. :lol:

I'm saying, with No evidence, why believe something?Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

It's absurd, you can't prove anything when you put it into certain context. I could say: "The Moon is made of cheese, and flat" and then follow a bs technicality, that nothing can be truly proven, and then you'd have to agree with me.

I mean, maybe it is? Who's to say we, mere mortals, know what cheese is, what spherical is... If God says it's cheesy and flat, it Is true.

I'm saying, with No evidence, why believe something, why belive it to be fact, why defend it?

It's like the 'theory' of evolution, daft people think the word theory has only 1 meaning, that it's just a hypothisis. In this case, of course, it means it's basically a fact. There are people(imbeciles) who think it's 'just a theory', even with all the evidence that has been seen, they say "it's just a theory". Yet with No evidence of something those same people say "It's a fact, I have faith" (faith is just plugging your ears and saying "la la la la, I can't hear you.")

Inconsistancy

If there is a god and heaven and hell and all that bullsh!t, i'm so going to laugh at you. :lol:

I'm not. So i'm safe from all form of post death mockery.

Muwahahahahaha

I hope its someone like the Mormons or Buddhists who are right though. Would be nice.

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Inconsistancy

Your post doesn't refute anything I said. All you did is saying "Prove this, prove that", when I haven't say anything about them.

Saying "God does/doesn't exist" is a statement that requires evidence.

Saying "I believe that god does/doesn't exist." isn't a statement.

That and the fact that you keep making false analogies.

I'm Muslim. I associate myself with other Muslims.

Not all of them, though, unfortunately...

Saying "God does/doesn't exist" is a statement that requires evidence.

Saying "I believe that god does/doesn't exist." isn't a statement.

alexside1

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

Saying "God does/doesn't exist" is a statement that requires evidence.

Saying "I believe that god does/doesn't exist." isn't a statement.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="alexside1"]

Saying "God does/doesn't exist" is a statement that requires evidence.

Saying "I believe that god does/doesn't exist." isn't a statement.

LJS9502_basic

I am a theist, and more specifically, I am a Roman Catholic.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Both of those statements mean the exact same thing.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No they don't.....LJS9502_basic

How can you believe in a fact anyway?

I believe 1+1=2. Well no, it just does, no belief necessary.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Yes they do. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Yes they do. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="sonicare"][QUOTE="scorch-62"]I don't associate myself with any religion. I'm an atheist.scorch-62

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Not even close dude. One is making a factual statement....the other is a personal belief or faith.

LJS9502_basic

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alexside1

Your post doesn't refute anything I said. All you did is saying "Prove this, prove that", when I haven't say anything about them.

Saying "God does/doesn't exist" is a statement that requires evidence.

Saying "I believe that god does/doesn't exist." isn't a statement.

That and the fact that you keep making false analogy.

Unicorns don't exist. Okay, let's be honest, it's likely that a horse like creature with a single horn on it's head has evolved somewhere in the universe...

Unicorns don't exist on Earth, my only proof is that I can't find any, that no one's ever found any, or observed the remnant of their existence, not that they don't exist as a definite statement, but that I've not seen them and the conclusion is that they're absurd and don't exist outside of children's books/movies/shows.

God doesn't exist, no one's seen it, or in any way observed it. Yet the conclusion is, it must exist, It's not absurd, unlike Unicorns, God is just so much more likely? So much so that I must prove the un-provable?

You can't prove that LotR isn't true, that Unicorns aren't real, that the Moon isn't made of cheese and is flat any more than I can prove there is no God. But due to the Sheer lack of evidence of any of this, I'm going to lean on the side of they don't exist.

Unicorns on Earth theory is .0000...1% true, God in existance theory is .0000...1% true. Moon is cheese and flat theory is .0000...1% true, Theory of Evolution is 99.9999...9% true.

.0000...1 =/= 0, 99.9999...9 =/= 100.

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Evolution, it's so strongly supported, you're an idiot if you don't believe it to be true.. but let's assume 'intelligent design' is true, then God is intentionally deceiving you, perhaps with the intent of testing you faith, and set everything up 'just so' so that it would appear that science is right.

It seems odd to me, that a God would intend on deceiving someone/everyone by so much... that God would be so cruel to damn anyone to hell if they refused to be anything but logical. It would almost seem as though religion is to keep people ignorant/stupid and obedient.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] They are both making factual statements and they are both personal beliefs. They are the exact same sentence. -Sun_Tzu-

None

Off topic: Shaun White is a beast.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] No they aren't. Saying God exists does not exist is not the same as saying I believe God exists/does not exist. Seriously dude....:|LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] They are both making factual statements and they are both personal beliefs. They are the exact same sentence. -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]For the Abrahamic God, I am an atheist. For other possible gods, I am agnostic. ghoklebutter

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On topic : I am a Muslim.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] They are both making factual statements and they are both personal beliefs. They are the exact same sentence. -Sun_Tzu-

If you say that then you are implying it as if it is a fact. If you say I believe then has more to do with faith. No one says I believe 2+2=4, they just say 2+2=4.

The modifier "I believe" serves to highlight the subjective nature of the statement.paratheos