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#1 monsterhunterP
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I know there are some people that are in need of medical help and they want to rely on smoking the weed for medicinal purposes but I am against legalizing it.

I live in a small town where there are some dumb druggies that would love to get their hands on some legalized weed just so they can get high more often.

Plus there are people out there who would get that weed and then sell it on the streets abusing the whole legalizing marijuana

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Do not legalize it.. or else :twisted:
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#3 coolbeans90
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Hell, we're still trying to privatize liquor stores here. I'd be all for it if it were on the ballot though.

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#4 cd_rom
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1. Druggies are getting the same amount of pot (or worse) regardless of it's legalization. The only difference would be they can open a window to stop hiding it. 2. Reselling it on the streets would be completely stupid because it would require you to sell it at a higher cost than you can buy in the store. If someone were to buy more expensive pot from a dealer, then he deserves to get ripped off. 3. Well that's like.... your opinion man.
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#5 weezyfb
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why do you care? People have been selling weed for a long time, there is plenty out there even though it is illegal. Its decriminalized where i live and it isnt affecting me at all.
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#6 cd_rom
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Hell, we're still trying to privatize liquor stores here. I'd be all for it if it were on the ballot though.

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Are you saying you have state-funded liquor stores?
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#7 scorch-62
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Considering that there's already a thread on Prop 19, it seems safe to say that this is essentially the same thing.
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#8 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

Hell, we're still trying to privatize liquor stores here. I'd be all for it if it were on the ballot though.

cd_rom

Are you saying you have state-funded liquor stores?

Funded? No, they bring in revenue. Owned and legally monopolized? Yes. Prices are jacked too.

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#9 monsterhunterP
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also in my State we're banning smoking in public places and hope that gets passed.

Legalizing the weed. I say nay. If it was legalized then the damn druggies would be getting away with selling selling it on the streets and I dont care if old people want the marijuana for "medicinal purposes", there are people in towns that will abuse the use of legalized marijuana.

Sounds like some of you guys are blind and think that might not happen but you need to realize that small towns have druggies that would end up selling the legalized weed to others on the streets.

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#10 needled24-7
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there's no reason why a plant should be illegal.

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#11 Dark__Link
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No. But we clearly have no room left in the prisons for minor drug offenders. So we need to make the punishment for smoking weed the death penalty. Problem solved.
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#12 waffle57
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also in my State we're banning smoking in public places and hope that gets passed.

Legalizing the weed. I say nay. If it was legalized then the damn druggies would be getting away with selling selling it on the streets and I dont care if old people want the marijuana for "medicinal purposes", there are people in towns that will abuse the use of legalized marijuana.

Sounds like some of you guys are blind and think that might not happen but you need to realize that small towns have druggies that would end up selling the legalized weed to others on the streets.

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Dude, if it's legalized, it's going to be sold at market prices at certified places. Reselling weed involves actually making a profit. Where in the world are they going to buy weed below market prices?
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#13 PannicAtack
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I voted today in favor of legalization. I figure that criminalizing the drug has caused more harm than good. Besides, there are too many similarities to prohibition. Also, I'm in college. I've got friends who smoke the junk.
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#14 cd_rom
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also in my State we're banning smoking in public places and hope that gets passed.

Legalizing the weed. I say nay. If it was legalized then the damn druggies would be getting away with selling selling it on the streets and I dont care if old people want the marijuana for "medicinal purposes", there are people in towns that will abuse the use of legalized marijuana.

Sounds like some of you guys are blind and think that might not happen but you need to realize that small towns have druggies that would end up selling the legalized weed to others on the streets.

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I'm starting to think this is a troll, but I'll bite anyway. The weed will NOT be resold on the streets. Why? Because NOBODY would buy it on the streets if they could buy it LEGALLY in the store at a CHEAPER price. In order for a dealer to make any profit selling it on the streets, they would have to buy it from the store, then raise the prices. Who the hell would buy it at a higher price if they could just buy it at the store?
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#16 PannicAtack
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I would have voted to legalize if it were on the ballot today.Watch_My_6
It was in my state :P
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#18 gogly
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i'm honestly suprised at how many people are agaisnt legalizing weed.

OT i lost respect in you.

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#19 cd_rom
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[QUOTE="Watch_My_6"]I would have voted to legalize if it were on the ballot today.PannicAtack
It was in my state :P

Lucky you. I live in Alabama, so everyone pretty much still pretends nobody uses it.
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#20 monsterhunterP
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CD_rom and others aren't listening.

You guys obviously dont live in a town that has a few druggies that are waiting for the day when the weed gets legalized. They will get the weed and they will sell it on the streets to their druggie buddies. That's the truth right there. I should know this since I live in a small town where there are some druggies here and there in town

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#21 cd_rom
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CD_rom and others aren't listening.

You guys obviously dont live in a town that has a few druggies that are waiting for the day when the weed gets legalized. They will get the weed and they will sell it on the streets to their druggie buddies. That's the truth right there. I should know this since I live in a small town where there are some druggies here and there in town

monsterhunterP

I lived in a small town that had the biggest percentage of meth addicts in the country. Don't give me that crap. Your druggie buddies will only start buying their stash in the stores because it's cheaper. It's basic economics, and it applies even to the underground.

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#22 mrbojangles25
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voting to legalize it. Time to end prohibition

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#23 needled24-7
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CD_rom and others aren't listening.

You guys obviously dont live in a town that has a few druggies that are waiting for the day when the weed gets legalized. They will get the weed and they will sell it on the streets to their druggie buddies. That's the truth right there. I should know this since I live in a small town where there are some druggies here and there in town

monsterhunterP

you're right, we better keep it illegal so that it doesn't get sold on the streets!

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#24 PannicAtack
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="Watch_My_6"]I would have voted to legalize if it were on the ballot today.Watch_My_6
It was in my state :P

Cali? I still live in a pretty conservative state, and the issue doesn't appear to be 'pressing'.

Cali indeed. I love my state. Unfortunately we have this one really stupid third party here. "Peace and Freedom Party." Buncha Socialist hippies. Seriously.
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#25 bbkkristian
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We already have a thread on this :x
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#26 dunl12496
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Well... I'd say yes because the real danger of pot is that you don't know who's making it. My mom had a seizure on school grounds when she did it back when. And it still happens today. Drugs need to be monitored. And no one follows the law anyway. Plus reduced murders over drugs.

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#27 needled24-7
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Well... I'd say yes because the real danger of pot is that you don't know who's making it. My mom had a seizure on school grounds when she did it back when. And it still happens today. Drugs need to be monitored. And no one follows the law anyway. Plus reduced murders over drugs.

dunl12496

maybe she was smoking chronic. idk if that can cause a seizure, but it sure as hell wasn't straight pot she was smoking.

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#28 PannicAtack
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Well... I'd say yes because the real danger of pot is that you don't know who's making it. My mom had a seizure on school grounds when she did it back when. And it still happens today. Drugs need to be monitored. And no one follows the law anyway. Plus reduced murders over drugs.

dunl12496
Legalizing pot means it can be regulated. That's one of the points about prop 19.
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#29 dunl12496
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[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

Well... I'd say yes because the real danger of pot is that you don't know who's making it. My mom had a seizure on school grounds when she did it back when. And it still happens today. Drugs need to be monitored. And no one follows the law anyway. Plus reduced murders over drugs.

needled24-7

maybe she was smoking chronic. idk if that can cause a seizure, but it sure as hell wasn't straight pot she was smoking.

Oh yeah it was. Trust me pot is a little more dangerous than people think.

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#30 needled24-7
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[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

Well... I'd say yes because the real danger of pot is that you don't know who's making it. My mom had a seizure on school grounds when she did it back when. And it still happens today. Drugs need to be monitored. And no one follows the law anyway. Plus reduced murders over drugs.

dunl12496

maybe she was smoking chronic. idk if that can cause a seizure, but it sure as hell wasn't straight pot she was smoking.

Oh yeah it was. Trust me pot is a little more dangerous than people think.

no. i'm pretty sure i would have had a seizure if that was possible.

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#31 dunl12496
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[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

Well... I'd say yes because the real danger of pot is that you don't know who's making it. My mom had a seizure on school grounds when she did it back when. And it still happens today. Drugs need to be monitored. And no one follows the law anyway. Plus reduced murders over drugs.

PannicAtack

Legalizing pot means it can be regulated. That's one of the points about prop 19.

I'd say as long as you don't drive while you do it and don't have un inspected pot then it should be fine. But it IS more dangerous than people say. But at least it's not addicting physically.

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#33 dunl12496
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[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

[QUOTE="needled24-7"]maybe she was smoking chronic. idk if that can cause a seizure, but it sure as hell wasn't straight pot she was smoking.

needled24-7

Oh yeah it was. Trust me pot is a little more dangerous than people think.

no. i'm pretty sure i would have had a seizure if that was possible.

Well maybe it's different now, but I doubt it. And it's not completely common. It's the way it was made. If you have someone who doesn't know what they're doing make it, you could have problems.

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#34 needled24-7
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[QUOTE="needled24-7"]

[QUOTE="dunl12496"]

Oh yeah it was. Trust me pot is a little more dangerous than people think.

dunl12496

no. i'm pretty sure i would have had a seizure if that was possible.

Well maybe it's different now, but I doubt it. And it's not completely common. It's the way it was made. If you have someone who doesn't know what they're doing make it, you could have problems.

you don't "make" pot, it just grows, then is dried and cured, it's not a manmade chemical or anything.

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Vote yes of course.

The only reason why Marijuana is illegal in the US is because we are living in the shadow of old propaganda and over the years it simply became imbedded into our "culture" to think it is bad.

Marijuana may not be good for you, but in comparrison to alchohol and prescription meds (even some over the counter meds) it is completely harmless. Even cigarettes will drain your health much faster than some herb.

People who smoke weed tend to just want to chill at home. You don't ever hear about some guy smoking a joint and then going home to beat his wife and kids. You don't hear about people smoking weed and going out to commit violent crimes, or causing deadly wrecks. Marijuana is not addictive and nobody has ever overdosed on THC.

Its really just one of those silly laws that never went away. Sending a person to jail, or prison over a Marijuana charge is like modern day Witch burning. Handing out extremely harsh punishments due to ignorance and misinformation.

The fact that Marijuana use, possession and sale are handled as criminal offenses actually cause more problems for our society, not less. You end up sending non-violent offenders off to the big house with murderers, rapists, real drug dealers etc. etc.. and they come out worse than when they went in. Plus you are wasting tax dollars on housing the non-violent offenders. Also as long as Marijuana is illegal then people must often go to places where other real drugs are being sold in order to buy a harmless bag of herb. This puts people in dangerous situations and they are more likely to get involved with other drugs they would have avoided had the weed been available at a regular store.

If you do away with the illegal aspect of Marijuana then you don't have the violence that comes along with an illegal market. It would be one less product on the streets for drug dealers to be kicking in doors and shooting people over. On the flip side the Govt. could make a killing off of taxing Marijuana in its consumable form and also manufacture endless products out of hemp.

I could go on forever really.

I see so many reasons for it to be legal.

I see no reasons for it to be illegal.

But I'm up for discussion if anyone disagrees.

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#36 HUGE_Flavor
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i voted against legalizing it. I am very happy that it didn't pass.

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#37 gaming25
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I know there are some people that are in need of medical help and they want to rely on smoking the weed for medicinal purposes but I am against legalizing it.

I live in a small town where there are some dumb druggies that would love to get their hands on some legalized weed just so they can get high more often.

Plus there are people out there who would get that weed and then sell it on the streets abusing the whole legalizing marijuana

monsterhunterP

Pot is already legal to those with medical problems that have been approved.

So I say NO to legalizing pot. Drugs are terrible to people's health, and the overall community. If it were a machine it would be called the smoking3000.

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#38 VendettaRed07
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Its practically legal now. Or as legal as something illegal can get atleast..

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#39 _BlueDuck_
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For personal use absolutely. The government or any other person or group has no business in telling people what they can or can't consume (or grow) in their own private life. Once it becomes a public issue obviously it needs to be regulated.

That's my basic thought, this principle is enough for me to support legalization. No need to even get started on other benefits such as tax revenue, clearing up law enforcement resources, quality control, etc.

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#40 Mr_Alexander
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i voted against legalizing it. I am very happy that it didn't pass.

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#41 General_X
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CD_rom and others aren't listening.

You guys obviously dont live in a town that has a few druggies that are waiting for the day when the weed gets legalized. They will get the weed and they will sell it on the streets to their druggie buddies. That's the truth right there. I should know this since I live in a small town where there are some druggies here and there in town

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You have no idea about druggies, market prices, supply and demand, or basic psychology.
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#42 gaming25
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[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

Vote yes of course.

The only reason why Marijuana is illegal in the US is because we are living in the shadow of old propaganda and over the years it simply became imbedded into our "culture" to think it is bad.

Marijuana may not be good for you, but in comparrison to alchohol and prescription meds (even some over the counter meds) it is completely harmless. Even cigarettes will drain your health much faster than some herb.

People who smoke weed tend to just want to chill at home. You don't ever hear about some guy smoking a joint and then going home to beat his wife and kids. You don't hear about people smoking weed and going out to commit violent crimes, or causing deadly wrecks. Marijuana is not addictive and nobody has ever overdosed on THC.

Its really just one of those silly laws that never went away. Sending a person to jail, or prison over a Marijuana charge is like modern day Witch burning. Handing out extremely harsh punishments due to ignorance and misinformation.

The fact that Marijuana use, possession and sale are handled as criminal offenses actually cause more problems for our society, not less. You end up sending non-violent offenders off to the big house with murderers, rapists, real drug dealers etc. etc.. and they come out worse than when they went in. Plus you are wasting tax dollars on housing the non-violent offenders. Also as long as Marijuana is illegal then people must often go to places where other real drugs are being sold in order to buy a harmless bag of herb. This puts people in dangerous situations and they are more likely to get involved with other drugs they would have avoided had the weed been available at a regular store.

If you do away with the illegal aspect of Marijuana then you don't have the violence that comes along with an illegal market. It would be one less product on the streets for drug dealers to be kicking in doors and shooting people over. On the flip side the Govt. could make a killing off of taxing Marijuana in its consumable form and also manufacture endless products out of hemp.

I could go on forever really.

I see so many reasons for it to be legal.

I see no reasons for it to be illegal.

But I'm up for discussion if anyone disagrees.

Well I disagree vehetmently. First of all marijuana causes very harmful effects to your body ESPECIALLY down the future. Cigarettes will not cause the amount of harm that marijuana causes. And per take, marijuana is way more harful than alchohol or perscription meds. It is when you ABUSE those will there be terrible concequences. Also, if you are going to bring up drunk driving, comparing harm X to harm Y is always flawed since it is both harmful. The difference is that with marijuana, you already abuse it the moment you take it. So you cant even regulate it.
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#43 -Tish-
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I really wouldn't care. I'm all for it but I wouldn't smoke it. I've been down that road and it impairs my judgment. They say it's a harmless drug but there are mild side effects that can cause trouble.
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Vote yes of course.

The only reason why Marijuana is illegal in the US is because we are living in the shadow of old propaganda and over the years it simply became imbedded into our "culture" to think it is bad.

Marijuana may not be good for you, but in comparrison to alchohol and prescription meds (even some over the counter meds) it is completely harmless. Even cigarettes will drain your health much faster than some herb.

People who smoke weed tend to just want to chill at home. You don't ever hear about some guy smoking a joint and then going home to beat his wife and kids. You don't hear about people smoking weed and going out to commit violent crimes, or causing deadly wrecks. Marijuana is not addictive and nobody has ever overdosed on THC.

Its really just one of those silly laws that never went away. Sending a person to jail, or prison over a Marijuana charge is like modern day Witch burning. Handing out extremely harsh punishments due to ignorance and misinformation.

The fact that Marijuana use, possession and sale are handled as criminal offenses actually cause more problems for our society, not less. You end up sending non-violent offenders off to the big house with murderers, rapists, real drug dealers etc. etc.. and they come out worse than when they went in. Plus you are wasting tax dollars on housing the non-violent offenders. Also as long as Marijuana is illegal then people must often go to places where other real drugs are being sold in order to buy a harmless bag of herb. This puts people in dangerous situations and they are more likely to get involved with other drugs they would have avoided had the weed been available at a regular store.

If you do away with the illegal aspect of Marijuana then you don't have the violence that comes along with an illegal market. It would be one less product on the streets for drug dealers to be kicking in doors and shooting people over. On the flip side the Govt. could make a killing off of taxing Marijuana in its consumable form and also manufacture endless products out of hemp.

I could go on forever really.

I see so many reasons for it to be legal.

I see no reasons for it to be illegal.

But I'm up for discussion if anyone disagrees.

gaming25

Well I disagree vehetmently. First of all marijuana causes very harmful effects to your body ESPECIALLY down the future. Cigarettes will not cause the amount of harm that marijuana causes. And per take, marijuana is way more harful than alchohol or perscription meds. It is when you ABUSE those will there be terrible concequences. Also, if you are going to bring up drunk driving, comparing harm X to harm Y is always flawed since it is both harmful. The difference is that with marijuana, you already abuse it the moment you take it. So you cant even regulate it.

Ehh.....huh? Anything to back any of that up? Are you seriously going to tell me that all these people hooked on codine, Oxycontin, xanax, and other manufactured (proven to be addictive) drugs are better off than Marijuana users? People that get hooked those drugs are actually chemically addicted and suffer with-drawls when trying to quit. Those people lose families, jobs and sometimes even there lives to those drugs. Same for alcohol. There is millions of dollars put into recover programs for those people, but not for Marijuana users because Marijuana is not addictive, nor deadly.

Cigarettes are filled with all kinds of unnatural additives and literal poisons. Plus, unlike Marijuana, cigarettes are very addictive. Also a cigarette smoker will go through a pack a day (20 smokes), while a weed smoker might smoke a joint or two.

And what very harmful side affects are associated with Marijuana? Laziness? Munchies? lol. Seriously give me something besides a hollow statement here bud. The largest risk I see from Marijuana use is the chance of getting lung cancer. Even so, it does not even begin to compare to the risk that cigarette smokers are at.

I'm all for discussion, but you are basically just reiterating old, baseless propaganda.

If you have some actual information, then by all means educate me brother.

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i voted against legalizing it. I am very happy that it didn't pass.

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What? Are the results in?

yes. it didn't pass. and i am glad.

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If you have some actual information, then by all means educate me brother.sandbox3d
Speaking of this, I would like some from you too.
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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

Vote yes of course.

The only reason why Marijuana is illegal in the US is because we are living in the shadow of old propaganda and over the years it simply became imbedded into our "culture" to think it is bad.

Marijuana may not be good for you, but in comparrison to alchohol and prescription meds (even some over the counter meds) it is completely harmless. Even cigarettes will drain your health much faster than some herb.

People who smoke weed tend to just want to chill at home. You don't ever hear about some guy smoking a joint and then going home to beat his wife and kids. You don't hear about people smoking weed and going out to commit violent crimes, or causing deadly wrecks. Marijuana is not addictive and nobody has ever overdosed on THC.

Its really just one of those silly laws that never went away. Sending a person to jail, or prison over a Marijuana charge is like modern day Witch burning. Handing out extremely harsh punishments due to ignorance and misinformation.

The fact that Marijuana use, possession and sale are handled as criminal offenses actually cause more problems for our society, not less. You end up sending non-violent offenders off to the big house with murderers, rapists, real drug dealers etc. etc.. and they come out worse than when they went in. Plus you are wasting tax dollars on housing the non-violent offenders. Also as long as Marijuana is illegal then people must often go to places where other real drugs are being sold in order to buy a harmless bag of herb. This puts people in dangerous situations and they are more likely to get involved with other drugs they would have avoided had the weed been available at a regular store.

If you do away with the illegal aspect of Marijuana then you don't have the violence that comes along with an illegal market. It would be one less product on the streets for drug dealers to be kicking in doors and shooting people over. On the flip side the Govt. could make a killing off of taxing Marijuana in its consumable form and also manufacture endless products out of hemp.

I could go on forever really.

I see so many reasons for it to be legal.

I see no reasons for it to be illegal.

But I'm up for discussion if anyone disagrees.

sandbox3d

Well I disagree vehetmently. First of all marijuana causes very harmful effects to your body ESPECIALLY down the future. Cigarettes will not cause the amount of harm that marijuana causes. And per take, marijuana is way more harful than alchohol or perscription meds. It is when you ABUSE those will there be terrible concequences. Also, if you are going to bring up drunk driving, comparing harm X to harm Y is always flawed since it is both harmful. The difference is that with marijuana, you already abuse it the moment you take it. So you cant even regulate it.

Ehh.....huh? Anything to back any of that up? Are you seriously going to tell me that all these people hooked on codine, Oxycontin, xanax, and other manufactured (proven to be addictive) drugs are better off than Marijuana users? People that get hooked those drugs are actually chemically addicted and suffer with-drawls when trying to quit. Those people lose families, jobs and sometimes even there lives to those drugs. Same for alcohol. There is millions of dollars put into recover programs for those people, but not for Marijuana users because Marijuana is not addictive, nor deadly.

Cigarettes are filled with all kinds of unnatural additives and literal poisons. Plus, unlike Marijuana, cigarettes are very addictive. Also a cigarette smoker will go through a pack a day (20 smokes), while a weed smoker might smoke a joint or two.

And what very harmful side affects are associated with Marijuana? Laziness? Munchies? lol. Seriously give me something besides a hollow statement here bud. The largest risk I see from Marijuana use is the chance of getting lung cancer. Even so, it does not even begin to compare to the risk that cigarette smokers are at.

I'm all for discussion, but you are basically just reiterating old, baseless propaganda.

If you have some actual information, then by all means educate me brother.

agreed 100%

as for the whole "more harmful than cigarettes" argument, that is if you abuse marijuana; in short, you need to smoke pot like a person with a bad cigarette habit, which would be roughly a pack of cigarettes a day, or about 30 joints of marijuana. I know a lot of potheads and they do not smoke 10% of that, and I dont imagine them increasing their intake considering they get as much pot as they could ever want already. This is, of course, not including the hundreds of methods of consuming marijuana (vaporizer, baked goods, incorporated into foods, ingested via pill form, etc.) that are far less harmful than smoking it.

Also, considering "harm x" vs "harm y", it is a totally legitimate argument. If I were to try to convince a person scared of flying in a commerical airplane, one of my arguments would be that you are at greater risk of dying in a car crash than you are dying in a plane crash. When the stats are there to back up risk analysis, it is incredibly relevant. When marijuana is legalized, I predict a huge number of high-risk pill poppers will transfer to consuming low-risk marijuana instead.

In conclusion, when people arguing against legalization cite tobacco use to support their argument, you know they are grasping at straws. With an average death toll over 400,000 resulting from tobacco smoking, and costing the US almost 170 billion dollars per year in health care costs, you gotta have some extremely skewed views on the situation

As sandbox said, we are all for a constructive discussion on the matter. Just come back when your argument is based on logic, without citing propoganda, unfounded fear, what Mom and Dad told you, religion, etc.

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[QUOTE="sandbox3d"]If you have some actual information, then by all means educate me brother.Vandalvideo
Speaking of this, I would like some from you too.

I'm sorry. I really thought this would be common knowledge. I suppose I did bring up many points, so just let me know what points you would like to see specifics or clarification on and I will do my best to provide reliable information.
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[QUOTE="PannicAtack"] Cali indeed. I love my state. Unfortunately we have this one really stupid third party here. "Peace and Freedom Party." Buncha Socialist hippies. Seriously.Watch_My_6
Judging by the name I can only imagine. What is their symbol? A rainbow color peace sign :P

Close enough.

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[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="sandbox3d"]

Vote yes of course.

The only reason why Marijuana is illegal in the US is because we are living in the shadow of old propaganda and over the years it simply became imbedded into our "culture" to think it is bad.

Marijuana may not be good for you, but in comparrison to alchohol and prescription meds (even some over the counter meds) it is completely harmless. Even cigarettes will drain your health much faster than some herb.

People who smoke weed tend to just want to chill at home. You don't ever hear about some guy smoking a joint and then going home to beat his wife and kids. You don't hear about people smoking weed and going out to commit violent crimes, or causing deadly wrecks. Marijuana is not addictive and nobody has ever overdosed on THC.

Its really just one of those silly laws that never went away. Sending a person to jail, or prison over a Marijuana charge is like modern day Witch burning. Handing out extremely harsh punishments due to ignorance and misinformation.

The fact that Marijuana use, possession and sale are handled as criminal offenses actually cause more problems for our society, not less. You end up sending non-violent offenders off to the big house with murderers, rapists, real drug dealers etc. etc.. and they come out worse than when they went in. Plus you are wasting tax dollars on housing the non-violent offenders. Also as long as Marijuana is illegal then people must often go to places where other real drugs are being sold in order to buy a harmless bag of herb. This puts people in dangerous situations and they are more likely to get involved with other drugs they would have avoided had the weed been available at a regular store.

If you do away with the illegal aspect of Marijuana then you don't have the violence that comes along with an illegal market. It would be one less product on the streets for drug dealers to be kicking in doors and shooting people over. On the flip side the Govt. could make a killing off of taxing Marijuana in its consumable form and also manufacture endless products out of hemp.

I could go on forever really.

I see so many reasons for it to be legal.

I see no reasons for it to be illegal.

But I'm up for discussion if anyone disagrees.

Well I disagree vehetmently. First of all marijuana causes very harmful effects to your body ESPECIALLY down the future. Cigarettes will not cause the amount of harm that marijuana causes. And per take, marijuana is way more harful than alchohol or perscription meds. It is when you ABUSE those will there be terrible concequences. Also, if you are going to bring up drunk driving, comparing harm X to harm Y is always flawed since it is both harmful. The difference is that with marijuana, you already abuse it the moment you take it. So you cant even regulate it.

Ehh.....huh? Anything to back any of that up? Are you seriously going to tell me that all these people hooked on codine, Oxycontin, xanax, and other manufactured (proven to be addictive) drugs are better off than Marijuana users? People that get hooked those drugs are actually chemically addicted and suffer with-drawls when trying to quit. Those people lose families, jobs and sometimes even there lives to those drugs. Same for alcohol. There is millions of dollars put into recover programs for those people, but not for Marijuana users because Marijuana is not addictive, nor deadly.

Cigarettes are filled with all kinds of unnatural additives and literal poisons. Plus, unlike Marijuana, cigarettes are very addictive. Also a cigarette smoker will go through a pack a day (20 smokes), while a weed smoker might smoke a joint or two.

And what very harmful side affects are associated with Marijuana? Laziness? Munchies? lol. Seriously give me something besides a hollow statement here bud. The largest risk I see from Marijuana use is the chance of getting lung cancer. Even so, it does not even begin to compare to the risk that cigarette smokers are at.

I'm all for discussion, but you are basically just reiterating old, baseless propaganda.

If you have some actual information, then by all means educate me brother.

First of all, its not "propaganda" to say that pot can gives brain damage, It does. Also, I said the abuse of pot per serving is worse than any other susbstance that you have mentioned. And that in itself cant be regulated since you have already abused the substance, as soon as you take it.