Russia cracks down on pastafarians.

are people really arguing that freedom of speech and freedom of religion are bad things?

are people really arguing that freedom of speech and freedom of religion are bad things?

lostrib

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

are people really arguing that freedom of speech and freedom of religion are bad things?

foxhound_fox

I'm not shocked.

"The matrix is a system.  People are so dependent on the system they will fight to protect it."

Seems fitting in these situations

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]I really don't think what I'm saying here is that hard to grasp. If you don't agree with the beliefs of some people its ok, just don't rub it in their faces that's all. This works both ways, for the religious and nonreligious and for any two parties disagreeing on something that is completely intellectual, philosophical or spiritual.GazaAli

I believe in freedom of speech that preserves respect and maintains the social fabric of a society.GazaAli

Russia can go to hell.

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]I really don't think what I'm saying here is that hard to grasp. If you don't agree with the beliefs of some people its ok, just don't rub it in their faces that's all. This works both ways, for the religious and nonreligious and for any two parties disagreeing on something that is completely intellectual, philosophical or spiritual.GazaAli

lol that'd be pretty awesome, actually.  Obviously you would be imprisoned because the Constitution is a valuable, historical document (to us, at least :P ), but lets say you did it with a US flag instead.

That is the nice thing about free speech.  You could do that.  And we could hate you for it.  And people that threatened your life WOULD BE ARRESTED because your right to rub the flag on your balls and wear a toy explosive belt is protected.

C'mon...isn't that a beautiful thing?

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="GazaAli"] Which is something I have absolutely nothing against. If religion somewhere is affecting how nonreligious folks live their lives I do acknowledge their right to voice their opposition and fight back if they must. There is just no need to incite hatred in society by patronizing others you disagree with. It just serves no purpose and is not in the benefit of anyone.GazaAli

So?

[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"] Freedom of religion is a basic human right. If someone else's religion offends you that's your problem.the_bi99man

So?

Apparently Christians can't appreciate satire

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="GazaAli"]I really don't think what I'm saying here is that hard to grasp. If you don't agree with the beliefs of some people its ok, just don't rub it in their faces that's all. This works both ways, for the religious and nonreligious and for any two parties disagreeing on something that is completely intellectual, philosophical or spiritual.GazaAli

So, the overly sensitive people who can't control their emotions should get their way? Sounds about right.

[...] wear a toy explosive belt is protected.mrbojangles25

Russia: No fun allowed since 1922.

It is all mocking Christianity, is it not?BranKetra

It is all mocking Christianity, is it not?BranKetra

You cannot suppress something under the veil of 'being offended', freedom of speech goes both ways

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]It is all mocking Christianity, is it not?chrisrooR

You cannot suppress something under the veil of 'being offended', freedom of speech goes both ways

wis3boi

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

You cannot suppress something under the veil of 'being offended', freedom of speech goes both ways

BranKetra

thegerg is not pleased.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"] Russian law proves it does matter. Related to that, truly free speech would be chaos as people show time and time again, so there are limits to what is tolerated for the benefit of society. [QUOTE="wis3boi"]

You cannot suppress something under the veil of 'being offended', freedom of speech goes both ways

chrisrooR

UHHHHHHHM, I don't think we should use Russia as the gold standard for free expression at this point.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="BranKetra"] It doesn't matter. Free speech and expression is a basic test for how modern and progressive a country is. BranKetra

You cannot suppress something under the veil of 'being offended', freedom of speech goes both ways

wis3boi

I know they are doing it, it's russia...they fail at almost everything

UHHHHHHHM, I don't think we should use Russia as the gold standard for free expression at this point.

THE_DRUGGIE

Okay

I do not consider any country I know of which is in existence today to be worthy of comparison to gold.

p>I know they are doing it, it's russia...they fail at almost everything

wis3boi

How is this a failure?

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UHHHHHHHM, I don't think we should use Russia as the gold standard for free expression at this point.

BranKetra

Okay

I do not consider any country I know of which is in existence today to be worthy of comparison to gold.

p>I know they are doing it, it's russia...they fail at almost everything

wis3boi

How is this a failure?

russia will do anything to shift blame and put down others to sweep their own really gripping issues under the rug

lol Branketra is just being a shit disturber.

What Russia should really be working on is improving road safety and getting drunk drivers the hell off the road. Or they all need their eyes checked. The corrupt police need to take a hike, as well.

I'll just leave this for your entertainment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C_yVh-OqYw

gamerguru100

lol Branketra is just being a shit disturber.

chrisrooR

He must be sent to the gulags!

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

What Russia should really be working on is improving road safety and getting drunk drivers the hell off the road. Or they all need their eyes checked. The corrupt police need to take a hike, as well.

I'll just leave this for your entertainment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C_yVh-OqYw

ferrari2001

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="gamerguru100"]

What Russia should really be working on is improving road safety and getting drunk drivers the hell off the road. Or they all need their eyes checked. The corrupt police need to take a hike, as well.

I'll just leave this for your entertainment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C_yVh-OqYw

gamerguru100

Can't tell you how many times I've seen russian dashboard cams of people getting cut off in traffic just to have a guy fire off a fire rifle rounds out the window to rub salt in the wound.  Place is fvcked up

[QUOTE="gamerguru100"][QUOTE="ferrari2001"] I love watching Russian driver videos. They are without a doubt the most terrible motorists in the world. wis3boi

Can't tell you how many times I've seen russian dashboard cams of people getting cut off in traffic just to have a guy fire off a fire rifle rounds out the window to rub salt in the wound.  Place is fvcked up

Russian law proves it does matter. Related to that, truly free speech would be chaos as people show time and time again, so there are limits to what is tolerated for the benefit of society.BranKetra

So you don't believe in Freedom of Speech?

russia will do anything to shift blame and put down others to sweep their own really gripping issues under the rugwi3boi

I understand the value of speech and what it is capable of accomplishing. That is why I think sometimes limiting what people say is beneficial to the prosperity of nations people, and culture. On one side, people are totally for speech without limitation. On the other, there are some who want speech to be toally controlled. Then there are people like me who understand the quality of speech with limitations in cases meant only to cause divisiveness, rules of a household, congregation, or organization.BranKetra

Bolded:  All these things are incredibly vague.  So because people have their feelings hurt causing some divisiveness we should outlaw some speech?

Total fvcking bullshit. 

Are you Russian? If not, what right do you have to judge them?BranKetra

Are you Russian? If not, what right do you have to judge them?BranKetra

Gaza logic: It's wrong to mock people of one religion because it may hurt their feelings, but it's okay to arrest people of another religion even though it destroys their lives. Also, let us remember that Christianity is genuinely stupid set of beliefs and therefore deserves to be ridiculed.Laihendi

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Are you Russian? If not, what right do you have to judge them?HoolaHoopMan

I wonder if Italy will ever crack down on this "pastafarianism", or maybe it doesn't really have much presence there (actually does "pastafarianism" have anything other than a negligible presence anywhere?). It's a waste of good pasta.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Gaza logic: It's wrong to mock people of one religion because it may hurt their feelings, but it's okay to arrest people of another religion even though it destroys their lives. Also, let us remember that Christianity is genuinely stupid set of beliefs and therefore deserves to be ridiculed.GazaAli

no motorboating on these premises

I understand the value of speech and what it is capable of accomplishing. That is why I think sometimes limiting what people say is beneficial to the prosperity of nations people, and culture. On one side, people are totally for speech without limitation. On the other, there are some who want speech to be toally controlled. Then there are people like me who understand the quality of speech with limitations in cases meant only to cause divisiveness, rules of a household, congregation, or organization.BranKetra

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I understand the value of speech and what it is capable of accomplishing. That is why I think sometimes limiting what people say is beneficial to the prosperity of nations people, and culture. On one side, people are totally for speech without limitation. On the other, there are some who want speech to be toally controlled. Then there are people like me who understand the quality of speech with limitations in cases meant only to cause divisiveness, rules of a household, congregation, or organization.chrisrooR

way, WAY too many people don't get this.  You have a full right to express your feelings all day and all night as long as you don't harm anyone.  I have the full right to either not listen, criticize it, mock it, joke about it.....and you can do it right back.  Nobody can demand respect for any belief or idea....it is earned.  What you don't need to earn respect for is your ability to say it.

Fvcking commie savages.

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"][QUOTE="BranKetra"]I understand the value of speech and what it is capable of accomplishing. That is why I think sometimes limiting what people say is beneficial to the prosperity of nations people, and culture. On one side, people are totally for speech without limitation. On the other, there are some who want speech to be toally controlled. Then there are people like me who understand the quality of speech with limitations in cases meant only to cause divisiveness, rules of a household, congregation, or organization.wis3boi

way, WAY too many people don't get this.  You have a full right to express your feelings all day and all night as long as you don't harm anyone.  I have the full right to either not listen, criticize it, mock it, joke about it.....and you can do it right back.  Nobody can demand respect for any belief or idea....it is earned.  What you don't need to earn respect for is your ability to say it.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="chrisrooR"] Any kind of control over speech because "someones feelings were hurt" is insane. You're actually insane if you think that laws should be in favour of those who have their feelings 'hurt'. I might not agree with neo-nazis saying what they do, but I'm going to damn well defend their right to say it. How else can you have a conversation or debate with them if you never let them spew their controversial views? chrisrooR

way, WAY too many people don't get this.  You have a full right to express your feelings all day and all night as long as you don't harm anyone.  I have the full right to either not listen, criticize it, mock it, joke about it.....and you can do it right back.  Nobody can demand respect for any belief or idea....it is earned.  What you don't need to earn respect for is your ability to say it.

I miss this man....hitchslapping everyone