***POLL*** Anyone else want to see a Hillary Clinton/ Joe Biden win in 2016?

Just curious, what do you think of Marco Rubio, the Republican Senator from Florida?

AFBrat77

I think he'd make a good veep.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Well, with all due respect, what's the point?

airshocker

Disproving his point. >.>

Just reread the posts. You're right. My bad.

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

Problem with Christie is he likely won't win the Primaries, his record in New Jersey isn't that good and is an easy target in the Primaries, despite his popularity with voters in the state.

airshocker

wat?

What exactly is bad about his record?

CNN had a list of things, can't remember specifics but state unemployment was one. I'd have to look into it more. Still, I must confess he remains popular with voters in the state. If Christie can get things together as he moves forward, it could be a moot point.

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Just curious, what do you think of Marco Rubio, the Republican Senator from Florida?

airshocker

I think he'd make a good veep.

I don't know much about him, but he seemed smart and respectfull in the Senate hearing with Hillary Wednesday (Its Thursday now on the East Coast)

Really, as I've been saying, who wins has alot to do with how the Obama admin is viewed at the end of its 2nd term. All things being equal, Republicans are going to have a harder time than Democrats in natonal elections because of their shrinking electoral map and demographics, but if Obama's popularity is low at the end of the term, Repubs have a definite opportunity. If he is fairly popular, I think they can kiss it goodbye.

Who knows what can happen in 4 years tho.

One point I will concede to Airshocker is that it will help Republicans somewhat if establishment Repubs make an early push for Christie. One of the mistakes they made in 2012 was waiting too long before really making a push for Romney. That being said, I don't think Romney was ever going to win in 2012. He was the wrong candidate for the times. But he probably would have had an easier time had the establishment Republicans vouched for him earlier.

I think that Hilary would be better than Obama or Biden on account of the fact that she already has 8 years experience as the president, but I don't want to see her win.

I think that Hilary would be better than Obama or Biden on account of the fact that she already has 8 years experience as the president, but I don't want to see her win.

Jacobistheman

Yeah, Hillary was an excellent President!

Oh wait...she wasn't President.

WTF, Jacob?

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I think that Hilary would be better than Obama or Biden on account of the fact that she already has 8 years experience as the president, but I don't want to see her win.

GreySeal9

Yeah, Hillary was an excellent President!

Oh wait...she wasn't President.

Sometimes I wonder how much effect she did have on Bill's good presidency besides driving him to Monica Lewinsky. Bill's his own man but I could see her being a strong influence on him and some of his policies perhaps.

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[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

I think that Hilary would be better than Obama or Biden on account of the fact that she already has 8 years experience as the president, but I don't want to see her win.

AFBrat77

Yeah, Hillary was an excellent President!

Oh wait...she wasn't President.

Sometimes I wonder how much effect she did have on Bill's good presidency besides driving him to Monica Lewinsky. Bill's his own man but I could see her being a strong influence on him and some of his policies perhaps.

I bet she was a strong influence in many ways, but that doesn't give her eight years worth of experience as the President since she was not the President.

Depends on who the Republican presidential nominee in 2016 is. If it is a reasonable, intellegent and moderate Republican, then I'd have to think about it. If it is a bat-guano insane, unreasonable, far right Republican, then yes.

I'd say that the latter is more likely than the former, however.

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[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

I think that Hilary would be better than Obama or Biden on account of the fact that she already has 8 years experience as the president, but I don't want to see her win.

AFBrat77

Yeah, Hillary was an excellent President!

Oh wait...she wasn't President.

Sometimes I wonder how much effect she did have on Bill's good presidency besides driving him to Monica Lewinsky. Bill's his own man but I could see her being a strong influence on him and some of his policies perhaps.

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Yeah, Hillary was an excellent President!

Oh wait...she wasn't President.

GreySeal9

Sometimes I wonder how much effect she did have on Bill's good presidency besides driving him to Monica Lewinsky. Bill's his own man but I could see her being a strong influence on him and some of his policies perhaps.

I bet she was a strong influence in many ways, but that doesn't give her eight years worth of experience as the President since she was not the President.

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wis3boi

I'd vote. Their collective intellect surpasses that of Congress.

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wis3boi

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

Sometimes I wonder how much effect she did have on Bill's good presidency besides driving him to Monica Lewinsky. Bill's his own man but I could see her being a strong influence on him and some of his policies perhaps.

Jacobistheman

I bet she was a strong influence in many ways, but that doesn't give her eight years worth of experience as the President since she was not the President.

It's impossible for Hillary to have as much influence over his actions as he did since she is not him.

What amount of influence she had is speculation. The only fact is that she was not the President. Thus, she does not have 8 years of experience being President.

Hillary, just so I can witness Bill being the first ever "first man". Thats a riot.

I would vote through Hillary, but not for Loud Joe. I like him, but not as a President.

Biden again? :lol:

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The__Kraken

I'd vote. Their collective intellect surpasses that of Congress.

I love you

Biden again? :lol:

Pirate700

I wouldn't want him as President especially, though I don't think he would be awfull. Obama could have used Biden earlier to meet with Senators and Representatives and probably could have helped melt the ice between Republicans and Senators in Congress. I think he could be a good active VP.

I understand he would be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, but I'm ok with that, and he's that right now anyways.

I don't think Biden would want to be Vice President for another 4 to 8 years.

As far as either one running, I think Clinton would be weakened by the Benghazi issue and may be seen as too liberal/too feminist by the American electorate and some people may be tired of the Clintons and want something new. Biden is weakened by his reputation for gaffes (it unfortunately may leadsome people to question his intelligence) and by the trend in which Vice-President's rarely get elected as President (basically only once a century has a VP been elected, although Nixon is a special case in that he lost to Kennedy and later on cameback to win a few elections later). I think both Clinton and Biden might be weakened by their age, their whiteness (Democrats need high minority turnouts to win because they lose among white voters of which Romney got 58% in 2012 and Bush got 58% in 2004), and the general trend of presidential elections which is that generally speaking one political party doesn't win more than two presidential elections in a row.

elizabeth warran and dennis kucinich

make karl rove foam at the mouth and roger ailes commit suicide

BossPerson

As for Warren, by 2016 she will have only been a four year Senator, not having completed her term and she may be seen as having insufficient experience. She may also be too liberal for the American electorate. Also presidential candidates from Massachusetts haven't won for decades (was JFK the last Massachusetts guy to be elected President, I think so).

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[QUOTE="airshocker"]

But in 2016 it's Christie all the way.

BossPerson

If he can make it out of the primary..

She probably would have been a better President than Obama.

But in 2016 it's Christie all the way.

airshocker

It's possible that if Christie runs he can carry some states that Democrats have traditionally carried. Christie could probably win New Jersey since he has a 74% approval rating there, and he has a decent shot of getting New York and Connecticut, maybe even Rhode Island because he would probably do very well among Italian-American voters (though maybe most Italian Americans already vote Republican, I've read that Jews are the only white ethnic group now that still votes predominantly democratic, though maybe Italians over all vote Republican but the ones in the Northeast vote Democrat). Losing New York could seriously hurt the Democrats, losing multiple Northeastern states would make it real hard for them to win. Who knows maybe Christie could even put Pennsylvania in play.

I think Christie is a pretty relatable guy, more so than Romney or Hillary Clinton (Biden is pretty relatable). There is the adage that people vote for who they can best picture themselves having a beer with, I don't know about beer, but Christie is definitely the candidate that I (and probably many Americans) could picture myself having a calzone with.

I think in 2016 the Republicans will most likely win Florida and Virginia, which they lost only by a little bit in 2012. If Rubio is part of the ticket than Florida is very likely in Republican hands.

If the Republican candidate can pull off George W. Bush 2004 numbers (58% of white voters, 44% of Hispanics, 44% of Asians, 11% of blacks) they can win pretty handily. Rubio has a good shot of getting a decent amount of Hispanic voters, Christie might be able to do so too because Italians and Hispanics have things in common that Hispanic voters may be able to relate too in Christie.

Christie could probably win New Jersey since he has a 74% approval rating there, and he has a decent shot of getting New York and Connecticut, maybe even Rhode Island because he would probably do very well among Italian-American voters.

whipassmt

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Christie could probably win New Jersey since he has a 74% approval rating there, and he has a decent shot of getting New York and Connecticut, maybe even Rhode Island because he would probably do very well among Italian-American voters.

-Sun_Tzu-

and may be seen as too liberal/too feminist

whipassmt

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]

Christie could probably win New Jersey since he has a 74% approval rating there, and he has a decent shot of getting New York and Connecticut, maybe even Rhode Island because he would probably do very well among Italian-American voters.

whipassmt

My first reaction is no. I don't want either one of those awful people running my country. My second reaction is that the republicans will not have anybody better so I guess it doesn't really matter.DaBrainz

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Had a good laugh at this -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="DaBrainz"]My first reaction is no. I don't want either one of those awful people running my country. My second reaction is that the republicans will not have anybody better so I guess it doesn't really matter.Diablo-B

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and may be seen as too liberal/too feminist

Aljosa23

Moreover in some ways the shift has gone to conservatives: Gallup polls have seen a 32% increase in the pro-life position since the mid-1990s, though in general most people fall somewhere in the middle (namely opposing tax-payer funded and late term abortions, and generally wanting abortion to be more restricted and less common, but legal in some rare cases).

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] why?

whipassmt

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[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] This is why-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="whipassmt"]

and may be seen as too liberal/too feminist

whipassmt

Moreover in some ways the shift has gone to conservatives: Gallup polls have seen a 32% increase in the pro-life position since the mid-1990s, though in general most people fall somewhere in the middle (namely opposing tax-payer funded and late term abortions, and generally wanting abortion to be more restricted and less common, but legal in some rare cases).

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="whipassmt"] Still Christie has a homefield advantage in NJ and very high approval ratings there.

whipassmt