***POLL*** Anyone else want to see a Hillary Clinton/ Joe Biden win in 2016?

After Hillary's strong showing against the Republicans in the Senate / House today, I think she has the smarts, toughness, and right ideas to be a helluva a good President. Joe Biden is great in the VP role.

Like to see her beat Biden in the Primaries, and bring him on the ticket.

Personally, I wanted her to be President in 2008 over Obama, think she would have done better.

Pick your best answer if 2 apply.

I'm assuming Clinton, Biden, and Cuomo will run in 2016.

I would support Clinton unless the Republican party had a good candidate which is doubtful. Biden hasn't really been a good VP I honestly can't say what I know he's done the past 4 years. Although to be honest i'm not really sure what the VP's job is but I haven't heard him do anything except this Gun control task force recently.

elizabeth warran and dennis kucinich

make karl rove foam at the mouth and roger ailes commit suicide

Biden is probably not going to be VP twice.

I think the most likely outcome is that Hillary doesn't run and Biden wins the Democratic nomination (Vice Presidents almost always easily win their party's nomination). If Obama's next 4 years are even somewhat successful, Biden has a very good chance of becoming President.

I would support Clinton unless the Republican party had a good candidate which is doubtful. Biden hasn't really been a good VP I honestly can't say what I know he's done the past 4 years. Although to be honest i'm not really sure what the VP's job is but I haven't heard him do anything except this Gun control task force recently.

TwistedShade

If you can't say what he's done, how do you if he's been a good VP or not?

Biden is probably not going to be VP twice.

I think the most likely outcome is that Hillary doesn't runand Biden wins the Democratic nomination (Vice Presidents almost always easily in their party's nomination). If Obama's next 4 years are even somewhat successful, Biden has a good chance of becoming President.

GreySeal9

I think there's a very good chance that she will run......just a vibe I'm getting, but we'll see.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Biden is probably not going to be VP twice.

I think the most likely outcome is that Hillary doesn't runand Biden wins the Democratic nomination (Vice Presidents almost always easily in their party's nomination). If Obama's next 4 years are even somewhat successful, Biden has a good chance of becoming President.

AFBrat77

I think there's a very good chance that she will run......just a vibe I'm getting, but we'll see.

Well, she's been pretty adamant in saying she's not interested, but she could definitely change her mind in 4 years.

She probably would have been a better President than Obama.

But in 2016 it's Christie all the way.

No,

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She probably would have been a better President than Obama.

But in 2016 it's Christie all the way.

airshocker

I must say though I usually vote Democrat, I have respect for Christie, find him refreshing. But I think Hillary is definitely the stronger candidate.

Biden is probably not going to be VP twice.

I think the most likely outcome is that Hillary doesn't run and Biden wins the Democratic nomination (Vice Presidents almost always easily win their party's nomination). If Obama's next 4 years are even somewhat successful, Biden has a very good chance of becoming President.

GreySeal9

But in 2016 it's Christie all the way.

airshocker

If he can make it out of the primary..

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

But in 2016 it's Christie all the way.

JML897

If he can make it out of the primary..

Obama probably would have been a better President than Hillary.

But in 2016 it's Christie all the way.

alternate reality airshocker

I must say though I usually vote Democrat, I have respect for Christie, find him refreshing. But I think Hillary is definitely the stronger candidate.

AFBrat77

That's laughable. The Republicans would destroy her when it comes to her record as Secretary of State. And he's already got a leg-up on her being a fiscal conservative in a very, very blue state.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Biden is probably not going to be VP twice.

I think the most likely outcome is that Hillary doesn't run and Biden wins the Democratic nomination (Vice Presidents almost always easily win their party's nomination). If Obama's next 4 years are even somewhat successful, Biden has a very good chance of becoming President.

theone86

I think Biden is a good guy and probably fun to party with, he's well respected in Congress, Obama should have used him in that capacity much earlier.....I just don't think he's as good a candidate for the top job as Hillary is, she was mastrerfull today, with no verbal screwups

If he can make it out of the primary..

JML897

Who does he have to compete with? You better believe the RNC is already grooming him to be their candidate.

He should start slimming down a bit now. Be in somewhat good shape by 2016.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Biden is probably not going to be VP twice.

I think the most likely outcome is that Hillary doesn't run and Biden wins the Democratic nomination (Vice Presidents almost always easily win their party's nomination). If Obama's next 4 years are even somewhat successful, Biden has a very good chance of becoming President.

theone86

Actually, the track record is not as bad as you're making it seem.Gore actually won the popular vote in 2000.

If an administration leaves the White House with good will, the VP of that administration has a good chance. The VPs that failed came from adminsitrations that did not have good will.

The Republicans pretty much need Obama to leave The White House without good will to have much of chance of winning in 2016, especially considering their demographic problems. If Obama is popular at the end of his 8 years, I see no reason why Biden wouldn't be formidable.

He should start slimming down a bit now. Be in somewhat good shape by 2016.

BossPerson

His weight is the least of my concerns.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Biden is probably not going to be VP twice.

I think the most likely outcome is that Hillary doesn't run and Biden wins the Democratic nomination (Vice Presidents almost always easily win their party's nomination). If Obama's next 4 years are even somewhat successful, Biden has a very good chance of becoming President.

AFBrat77

I think Biden is a good guy and probably fun to party with, he's well respected in Congress, Obama should have used him in that capacity much earlier.....I just don't think he's as good a candidate for the top job as Hillary is, she was mastrerfull today, with no verbal screwups

I don't think Biden could ever win a presidential election. That doesn't mean I don't think he's qualified, but he has a real PR problem. He has experience, he has credentials, people (Republican faithful aside) generally agree with him on various issues, but people just do not like him. Part of it are the gaffes he makes, part of it is that sometimes he's painfully blunt, but those are the sorts of things that can kill you in a presidential election.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

He should start slimming down a bit now. Be in somewhat good shape by 2016.

airshocker

His weight is the least of my concerns.

[QUOTE="AFBrat77"]

I must say though I usually vote Democrat, I have respect for Christie, find him refreshing. But I think Hillary is definitely the stronger candidate.

airshocker

That's laughable. The Republicans would destroy her when it comes to her record as Secretary of State. And he's already got a leg-up on her being a fiscal conservative in a very, very blue state.

I disagree, her record as Secretary of State is good, I don't think its tarnished. Keep in mind that Hillary could win Southern States as Bill Clinton did, I don't think Christie can beat her in the Electoral column. I think Christies 15 minutes will fade a bit after awhile. I still like the guy though.

it's for his benefit more than yours BossPerson

Still, I don't think people much care about his weight. He's a big guy with a big attitude.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Biden is probably not going to be VP twice.

I think the most likely outcome is that Hillary doesn't run and Biden wins the Democratic nomination (Vice Presidents almost always easily win their party's nomination). If Obama's next 4 years are even somewhat successful, Biden has a very good chance of becoming President.

AFBrat77

I think Biden is a good guy and probably fun to party with, he's well respected in Congress, Obama should have used him in that capacity much earlier.....I just don't think he's as good a candidate for the top job as Hillary is, she was mastrerfull today, with no verbal screwups

I think Hillary would be more formidable as well, but I definitely think he's the most likely candidate if she doesn't choose to run. There's not much new blood on the Dem side of things and the Dems will probably want a candidate that easily win the nomination to avoid the kind of messy process that the Republicans are almost certain to have.

I disagree, her record as Secretary of State is good, I don't think its tarnished. Keep in mind that Hillary could win Southern States as Bill Clinton did, I don't think Christie can beat her in the Electoral column. I think Christies 15 minutes will fade a bit after awhile. I still like the guy though.

AFBrat77

We'll just have to agree to disagree, then. Hillary can't win southern states now, not in this political landscape. Christie could.

I think Hillary would be more formidable as well, but I definitely think he's the most likely candidate if she doesn't choose to run. There's not much new blood on the Dem side of things and the Dems will probably want a candidate that easily win the nomination to avoid the kind of messy process that the Republicans are almost certain to have.

GreySeal9

Why do you say this? You think the RNC wouldn't learn this time around?

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]it's for his benefit more than yours airshocker

Still, I don't think people much care about his weight. He's a big guy with a big attitude.

I think he may actually have a better chance being 'fat' than being of normal weight.

It shows that he has a lot of character and is somewhat more 'human' than the last 6 foot tall, full haired, slim, rich white guy with 6 kids candidate you guys had.

some imperfection is good.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I think Hillary would be more formidable as well, but I definitely think he's the most likely candidate if she doesn't choose to run. There's not much new blood on the Dem side of things and the Dems will probably want a candidate that easily win the nomination to avoid the kind of messy process that the Republicans are almost certain to have.

airshocker

Why do you say this? You think the RNC wouldn't learn this time around?

You're asking if we think Republicans learn? Not sure if serious...

[QUOTE="JML897"]

If he can make it out of the primary..

airshocker

Who does he have to compete with? You better believe the RNC is already grooming him to be their candidate.

Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, Jeb Bush, Santorum are all names that have been floated about.

Chris Christie hardly has the nomination on lock, especially since many Republicans are not too happy with him. The 2016 Republican primary will be a contest between the more far right and moderate elements of the party.

She probably would have been a better President than Obama.

But in 2016 it's Christie all the way.

airshocker

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I think Hillary would be more formidable as well, but I definitely think he's the most likely candidate if she doesn't choose to run. There's not much new blood on the Dem side of things and the Dems will probably want a candidate that easily win the nomination to avoid the kind of messy process that the Republicans are almost certain to have.

airshocker

Why do you say this? You think the RNC wouldn't learn this time around?

Problem is, Republicans have a real PR problem now and the forseeble future (Republicans in House of Representatives are a mess), and the Latino vote continues to climb, lending more votes to Democrats

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="JML897"]

If he can make it out of the primary..

GreySeal9

Who does he have to compete with? You better believe the RNC is already grooming him to be their candidate.

Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, Jeb Bush, Santorum are all names that have been floated about.

Chris Christie hardly has the nomination on lock, especially since many Republicans are not too happy with him. The 2016 Republican primary will be a contest between the more far right and moderate elements of the party.

Paul Ryan, Bobby Jindal, Jeb Bush, Santorum are all names that have been floated about.

Chris Christie hardly has the nomination on lock, especially since many Republicans are not too happy with him. The 2016 Republican primary will be a contest between the more far right and moderate elements of the party.

GreySeal9

I would bet Jeb Bush avoids this. Santorum is so fanatical that he'll do whatever he thinks God tells him to do.

While I like Paul Ryan, I don't think he has a shot against Christie. Bobby Jindal, on the other hand...

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

I think Hillary would be more formidable as well, but I definitely think he's the most likely candidate if she doesn't choose to run. There's not much new blood on the Dem side of things and the Dems will probably want a candidate that easily win the nomination to avoid the kind of messy process that the Republicans are almost certain to have.

airshocker

Why do you say this? You think the RNC wouldn't learn this time around?

It's not a matter of learning or not.

The Republican party is divided right now. Those divisions will have to work themselves out during the primary. The Republican Party, after suffering such an epic loss in 2012, will have to choose what direction it wants to go in.

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I disagree, her record as Secretary of State is good, I don't think its tarnished. Keep in mind that Hillary could win Southern States as Bill Clinton did, I don't think Christie can beat her in the Electoral column. I think Christies 15 minutes will fade a bit after awhile. I still like the guy though.

airshocker

We'll just have to agree to disagree, then. Hillary can't win southern states now, not in this political landscape. Christie could.

Hillary doesn't need to win southern states.

Problem is, Republicans have a real PR problem now and the forseeble future (Republicans in House of Representatives are a mess), and the Latino vote continues to climb, lending more votes to Democrats

AFBrat77

I'm not talking about general election woes we are certain to have.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

She probably would have been a better President than Obama.

But in 2016 it's Christie all the way.

Aljosa23

Problem with Christie is he likely won't win the Primaries, his record in New Jersey isn't that good and is an easy target in the Primaries, despite his popularity with voters in the state.

It's not a matter of learning or not.

The Republican party is divided right now. Those divisions will have to work themselves out during the primary. The Republican Party, after suffering such an epic loss in 2012, will have to choose what direction it wants to go in.

GreySeal9

I'm almost positive the GOP learns from the ridiculous primary it had last time around. Which is why I would bet the RNC is preparing Christie this far ahead. He is already sympathetic to the Tea Party, but he isn't beholden to it like Bachmann and Santorum were.

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[QUOTE="theone86"]Yeah, but how many VPs actually win the election? Only four in history, none before Bush since 1836, and only one (Jefferson) has ever been re-elected. Not a stellar track record, and Biden doesn't have the most affable reputation to begin with.

theone86

I think Biden is a good guy and probably fun to party with, he's well respected in Congress, Obama should have used him in that capacity much earlier.....I just don't think he's as good a candidate for the top job as Hillary is, she was mastrerfull today, with no verbal screwups

I don't think Biden could ever win a presidential election. That doesn't mean I don't think he's qualified, but he has a real PR problem. He has experience, he has credentials, people (Republican faithful aside) generally agree with him on various issues, but people just do not like him. Part of it are the gaffes he makes, part of it is that sometimes he's painfully blunt, but those are the sorts of things that can kill you in a presidential election.

Biden's popularity is middling. He's not super popular, but he's not that unpopular either.

Like I said, if people are satisfied with the job the Obama administration has done after 8 years, he can run as a continuation of the Obama admin. Considering the Republicans' shrinking electoral map, the strong likelihood of a messy primary process, and their demographic issues, I see no reason to believe that the Republican candidate would have a better chance than the VP of a popular admistration.

And if Obama is very unpopular 8 years, the Republicans probably win anyway.

Hillary doesn't need to win southern states.

GreySeal9

Not the point.

Problem with Christie is he likely won't win the Primaries, his record in New Jersey isn't that good and is an easy target in the Primaries, despite his popularity with voters in the state.

AFBrat77

wat?

What exactly is bad about his record?

Everyone seems to be forgetting Peyton Manning's lookalike Mitch Daniels and the token Hispanic guy Marco Rubio.

both suck

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

It's not a matter of learning or not.

The Republican party is divided right now. Those divisions will have to work themselves out during the primary. The Republican Party, after suffering such an epic loss in 2012, will have to choose what direction it wants to go in.

airshocker

I'm almost positive the GOP learns from the ridiculous primary it had last time around. Which is why I would bet the RNC is preparing Christie this far ahead. He is already sympathetic to the Tea Party, but he isn't beholden to it like Bachmann and Santorum were.

I'm sure that the GOP establishment are going to try their hardest to get Christie the nomination and I think he has a good chance of it. My point is that it won't be easy. There will be resistance, which what I mean by messy primary. In contrast, Biden or Hillary would probably cruise to nomination. I wouldn't be surprised if Hillary runs basically unopposed should she run.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Hillary doesn't need to win southern states.

airshocker

Not the point.

Well, with all due respect, what's the point?

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

It's not a matter of learning or not.

The Republican party is divided right now. Those divisions will have to work themselves out during the primary. The Republican Party, after suffering such an epic loss in 2012, will have to choose what direction it wants to go in.

airshocker

I'm almost positive the GOP learns from the ridiculous primary it had last time around. Which is why I would bet the RNC is preparing Christie this far ahead. He is already sympathetic to the Tea Party, but he isn't beholden to it like Bachmann and Santorum were.

Just curious, what do you think of Marco Rubio, the Republican Senator from Florida?

Well, with all due respect, what's the point?

GreySeal9

Disproving his point. >.>