My Girlfriend -18- facing Sexual Harrassment from manager -~42-, need legal advi

Easy, burn down the restaurant.

Start hitting on the manager and tell him the only reason your dating that girl is to get close to him.cd_rom

Maybe he thinks that since she switched to his new restaurant it means she is attracted to him, and he's just kindof creeping out like a lot of unstable males seem to do.

Has she tried telling him to.......stop?

Try reasoning with him through mime. That is bound to work.

Get her to use a recorder or video camera to get these things he does on record, then get witnesses who are willing to testify and bring him to court for sexual harassment.

You'll easily win and he'll get fired. Or you can just blackmail him.

If people are so creeped out by him why the hell do they still work there?

Joshywaa

Start hitting on the manager and tell him the only reason your dating that girl is to get close to him.cd_rom

You sir, have made my day

On a serious note: seek legal advice, that is some serious ******:|

Glad you came to OT, we are experts at this kind of situation we are all Lawyers too! 8)

[QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

If people are so creeped out by him why the hell do they still work there?

MgamerBD

Give him the chair

I'm a lawyer and I suggest you beat the **** out of him.

Not exactly sure how much of a legal case she has. (YOU, from what I understand, have no case because it has nothing to do with you).

I'll just note that in order for a suit to have any teeth, she has to formally complain that she is being harassed by the manager. If upper management doesn't mitigate the situation and lets it continue, THEN you have a case. They can't help her if they don't know it's a problem.

I'm not sure how much it will help her 'case' that she left her job to follow this manager to a new company. It doesn't really paint him as a 'bad guy' from her perspective.

Maybe he thinks that since she switched to his new restaurant it means she is attracted to him, and he's just kindof creeping out like a lot of unstable males seem to do.

Has she tried telling him to.......stop?

Joshywaa

Seeing an opportunity to switch to a new place and having a good relationship with the manager, she was able to quit place X and by his referral for the most part begin to work at resturant Z which they now both work at.KeitekeTokage

Start hitting on the manager and tell him the only reason your dating that girl is to get close to him.cd_rom

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

Dude, contact a lawyer, not OT. This is serious business, and you shouldn't rely on us to give you sound legal advice.

KeitekeTokage

You can't post things that are serious on the net and expect tham to act all civilized.

Sexual harassment in the workplace is illegal and most companies can get into serious trouble if they ignore it. Most places have set policies for reporting untoward conduct. Sometimes it can be hard to prove, but you are generally protected against termination if you file a complaint. If she is bothered by this manager's behavior, then she should file a complaint. If you're bothered by his behavior but she isn't, then that's a different situation.

Why does every one having a problem doesn't contact a pro in the field but OT. I mean contact doctors about disease, see shrinks about your issues, sit your lawyers for your legal problems etc. Why OT?

Why does every one having a problem doesn't contact a pro in the field but OT. I mean contact doctors about disease, see shrinks about your issues, sit your lawyers for your legal problems etc. Why OT?

Sandulf29

What a creep, I say you tell him to f*** off, although probably not a good thing to do with a 40 year old guy. Maybe you should tell the police, or wait for it to get really bad then you can accuse him of stalking or something.

Not exactly sure how much of a legal case she has. (YOU, from what I understand, have no case because it has nothing to do with you).

I'll just note that in order for a suit to have any teeth, she has to formally complain that she is being harassed by the manager. If upper management doesn't mitigate the situation and lets it continue, THEN you have a case. They can't help her if they don't know it's a problem.

I'm not sure how much it will help her 'case' that she left her job to follow this manager to a new company. It doesn't really paint him as a 'bad guy' from her perspective.

YellowOneKinobi

Don't worry. You've come to the right place.mattbbpl

Familiarise yourself with the Commander Shephard School of Lawhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TgTLJXoD_othen have a chat with the manager and wait for the little red symbol to pop up and make sure you dont miss it. Problem solved, no need to thank me.

Let him borrow her for one night, im sure everything will be ok then.

pretty limited legally, since he hasnt actually done anything illegal.

My ex was a waitress and had problems with some creepy regular customers (but not the boss) and i eventually had her resort to calling me when they came in... and i drove there and sort of gave them a stern warning, which worked well.

I didnt threaten them, i just said their behavior was unwelcomed... with the most threatening look possible (cant be arrested for facial expressions). It never happened again.

Probably gonna have to take this one into your own hands, best case scenario legally would be applying for a restraining order... but she might lose her job. Sometimes a hint of vigilante justice, is the best justice... if he has a wife... threaten to tell her, if he doesnt... you just gotta try to be intimidating as possible (without making an explicit verbal threat, cuz you can get arrested for that). If you personally arent very intimidating, bring a buddy or two and just have them stare him down while you ask him to leave her alone.

There are obviously some other avenues you could take, but i cant recommend them. Ill just say, the law probably wont help much on this one.

I had plenty of jokes of this thread...but most of them have seen mentioned already and some of them were pretty damn good :lol:

So, i'll try to be different and give a serious answer :o

Ok, so first of all, i'm not a legal expert, hell, i wouldn't even trust my self for anything remotely legal, however, in your place i would try to talk to him to see what's his problem, he is going to probably tell you that a) nothing is true and your GF is probably seeing things or b) he will tell you that he was just joking, of course you are going to "believe him" however you will also tell him that you won't stand for more of this stuffs and you and your girl could take legal actions if he doesn't stop.

Don't treat him physically, that will only make matters worst for your girl, if he doesn't calm down, then get a couple of witness, and evidence about the harassment and sue him, the worst thing it could happen is your girl getting fired, but i think is better than expose her to more humiliations or worst things by this guy.

[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="Joshywaa"]

If people are so creeped out by him why the hell do they still work there?

KeitekeTokage

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

Not exactly sure how much of a legal case she has. (YOU, from what I understand, have no case because it has nothing to do with you).

I'll just note that in order for a suit to have any teeth, she has to formally complain that she is being harassed by the manager. If upper management doesn't mitigate the situation and lets it continue, THEN you have a case. They can't help her if they don't know it's a problem.

I'm not sure how much it will help her 'case' that she left her job to follow this manager to a new company. It doesn't really paint him as a 'bad guy' from her perspective.

KeitekeTokage

It's good that she's going to speak to someone over the managers head, because it's important to have this documented. If she hasn't already, I'd advise her to keep a little notebook (at home) with times, dates and locations of when "improper" things are said to her.

As a side note, do I think the manager sounds like a wack-a-do? Of course. But then again I don't know anything besides what you have written here. As far as him saying this or that about living with you, etc, for all I know that could just be part of a personal discussion they had. There are some people that I have worked with for years and after a while, not all conversations in the break room are strictly business. I personally limit the amount of 'personal stuff' that I talk about regarding my own life, but I know plenty of people that are basically an 'open book' and talk about girlfriends, boyfriends, lazy husbands, etc. It's not impossible that his opinions about you are completely warranted (or at least part of a conversation in which he was aksed for his opinion of you). But once again I'll say all I know about this is a few lines written on an internet forum.

The only person who can take a legal action is your girlfriend, not you. If she feels harassed then she has the full right to file a complain, or even contact a lawyer and sue him for harassment, but if your girlfriend has no intentions to do that then you cannot do that for her. You are speaking the story as if you're the one who is harassed. Has your girlfriend complained to you? In matter of facts, has your girlfriend complained to anyone? If she is not complaining then you should tell her to do so. If she is so displeased with her manager'sactions then why the hell didn't she do somethign about it? This is not helping your case. You have no evidence that support your claim, you are basicly an outsider, ..only she has evidence. Only she can do somethign about it.

Don't talk to a lawyer, let her talk to a lawyer with you supporting her. That is the very first step.

Also, as far as the law is concerned, I don't think any legal action can be taken against the manager other than harassment (if that can even be taken). He basicly haven't touched her nor did he commit any crime against her. This issue does not need courts to be solved. If she feels threatened then thats a different story.

If hes only infatuated by her then then least she can do is get a restraining order.

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"][QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

Not exactly sure how much of a legal case she has. (YOU, from what I understand, have no case because it has nothing to do with you).

I'll just note that in order for a suit to have any teeth, she has to formally complain that she is being harassed by the manager. If upper management doesn't mitigate the situation and lets it continue, THEN you have a case. They can't help her if they don't know it's a problem.

I'm not sure how much it will help her 'case' that she left her job to follow this manager to a new company. It doesn't really paint him as a 'bad guy' from her perspective.

YellowOneKinobi

It's good that she's going to speak to someone over the managers head, because it's important to have this documented. If she hasn't already, I'd advise her to keep a little notebook (at home) with times, dates and locations of when "improper" things are said to her.

As a side note, do I think the manager sounds like a wack-a-do? Of course. But then again I don't know anything besides what you have written here. As far as him saying this or that about living with you, etc, for all I know that could just be part of a personal discussion they had. There are some people that I have worked with for years and after a while, not all conversations in the break room are strictly business. I personally limit the amount of 'personal stuff' that I talk about regarding my own life, but I know plenty of people that are basically an 'open book' and talk about girlfriends, boyfriends, lazy husbands, etc. It's not impossible that his opinions about you are completely warranted (or at least part of a conversation in which he was aksed for his opinion of you). But once again I'll say all I know about this is a few lines written on an internet forum.

You actually sound like a middle management guy flexing your miniscule muscle, worried about the implications for yourself and trying to cover your ass.

Im not saying any of this is true, i just know if that was my scenario... thats the message i would type.

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

[QUOTE="KeitekeTokage"] Isn't that really irrelevant? His behavior has changed since them, there isn't any way she could have known he would turn like this. I'm scared for her well being at this point, I don't want this to end up like any of the sick stories I hear on the news. She's going in to talk to her general manager to set up a meeting time for them to discuss the issue today, so hopefully this will be resolved and this manager will be taken care of. She'll likely quit after that because neither of us know if this guy is stable, and he has had access to her personal information being manager and all, which is something I worry about as well. But his behavior needs to be reported, spending your time while working constantly badgering an employee some 24 years your junior about not kissing her bf, living with him, shouldn't be with him, going to get sick from him, etc all while in front of other employees is harassment. Then to cross the line and make accusations that you've witnessed the employees boyfriend cheating on her in an attempt to break them up isn't the way a manager this old should be conducting himself, as well as texting the employee and asking to go on dinner dates.SoBaus

It's good that she's going to speak to someone over the managers head, because it's important to have this documented. If she hasn't already, I'd advise her to keep a little notebook (at home) with times, dates and locations of when "improper" things are said to her.

As a side note, do I think the manager sounds like a wack-a-do? Of course. But then again I don't know anything besides what you have written here. As far as him saying this or that about living with you, etc, for all I know that could just be part of a personal discussion they had. There are some people that I have worked with for years and after a while, not all conversations in the break room are strictly business. I personally limit the amount of 'personal stuff' that I talk about regarding my own life, but I know plenty of people that are basically an 'open book' and talk about girlfriends, boyfriends, lazy husbands, etc. It's not impossible that his opinions about you are completely warranted (or at least part of a conversation in which he was aksed for his opinion of you). But once again I'll say all I know about this is a few lines written on an internet forum.

You actually sound like a middle management guy flexing your miniscule muscle, worried about the implications for yourself and trying to cover your ass.

Im not saying any of this is true, i just know if that was my scenario... thats the message i would type.

Care to take issue with anything I said in particular? Or just tossing bombs maybe?

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]I'm just saying that, should this go to trial, or more likely arbitration, NOTHING is irrelevant (at least as far as the defense lawyers are concerned). Do you really think that a defense lawyer wouldn't ask why she followed him to this new restaurant? I'm not saying that he didn't change his attitude towards her, but the question would be raised.

It's good that she's going to speak to someone over the managers head, because it's important to have this documented. If she hasn't already, I'd advise her to keep a little notebook (at home) with times, dates and locations of when "improper" things are said to her.

As a side note, do I think the manager sounds like a wack-a-do? Of course. But then again I don't know anything besides what you have written here. As far as him saying this or that about living with you, etc, for all I know that could just be part of a personal discussion they had. There are some people that I have worked with for years and after a while, not all conversations in the break room are strictly business. I personally limit the amount of 'personal stuff' that I talk about regarding my own life, but I know plenty of people that are basically an 'open book' and talk about girlfriends, boyfriends, lazy husbands, etc. It's not impossible that his opinions about you are completely warranted (or at least part of a conversation in which he was aksed for his opinion of you). But once again I'll say all I know about this is a few lines written on an internet forum.

YellowOneKinobi

You actually sound like a middle management guy flexing your miniscule muscle, worried about the implications for yourself and trying to cover your ass.

Im not saying any of this is true, i just know if that was my scenario... thats the message i would type.

Care to take issue with anything I said in particular? Or just tossing bombs maybe?

Well glad we are both making (theoretically) wrong assumptions about one another(welll you are 100% wrong, dunno about me yet.)... that being said you seemed to be a perfect the diplomatic response to a sexual harassment case. Seems like familiar territory.

Here's my sound advice.

First of all you should've never put information, even if you didn't include any pertainant names or places, in a public forum. There are somethings you need to keep to yourself if you wish to pursue a legal matter.

And second, you could always take this case to Judge Judy and have her publicly embarrass her boss and maybe make $5000 on the side. (This response is more in line with this forum's air of hebetudinous responses).

[QUOTE="YellowOneKinobi"]

[QUOTE="SoBaus"]

You actually sound like a middle management guy flexing your miniscule muscle, worried about the implications for yourself and trying to cover your ass.

Im not saying any of this is true, i just know if that was my scenario... thats the message i would type.

SoBaus

Care to take issue with anything I said in particular? Or just tossing bombs maybe?

Well glad we are both making (theoretically) wrong assumptions about one another(welll you are 100% wrong, dunno about me yet.)... that being said you seemed to be a perfect the diplomatic response to a sexual harassment case. Seems like familiar territory.

What's up with people and the phrase "sexual harassment". Should we start praying for working women in order to respect their feminism and professionalism? I mean seriously tell your girlfriend to tell her boss that she is not interested whatsoever. GazaAli