Mother who strangled her autistic son walks free.

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#1 Posted by ramealdabest (519 posts) -

A loving mother who strangled her autistic son because no one else would look after him walked free from court yesterday.

Devoted Yvonne Freaney, 50, admitted she killed her son Glen, 11, with a coat belt in an airport hotel room.

Freaney told police she killed Glen so 'no one could point fingers at him' when he was in heaven.

Glen Freaney, 11, was severely autisticYvonne Freaney

Glen Freaney (left) was strangled by his mother Yvonne (pictured being escorted from Cardiff Crown Court last month) with a coat belt

Mother-of-four Freaney also tried to kill herself but botched her attempts to slash her wrists - and was found alive by ambulance crews. She was cleared of murder but admitted manslaughter by diminished responsibility.

Judge Mr Justice Wyn Williams allowed to walk free with a supervision order.

The highly-experienced judge said it was 'the most difficult sentencing' he had ever had in his career.

Mr Justice Wyn Williams told her: 'You have already been punished enough.

'The only sensible and credible explanation is that your state of mind was truely abnormal.

'At the end you genuinely but irrationally believed that no-one but you could care for Glen and, since you were intent on killing himself, you had to kill him first.

'Not withstanding the fact that your crime was to kill a child, your culpability was very low.

'There could be no doubts you were completely devoted to Glen throughout his short life and showered him with love and affection.

'You cared for him with the best of your ability, day in and day out. He was very demanding but you never let that deflect from putting his best interests above those of your own.'

John Charles Rees, defending, said: 'She was undoubtably a loving mother to all her children and killed Glen out of love not malice.

'There was never any dispute as to the facts of this case. The issue was a medical one. She was suffering from a personality disorder.

'This is a wholly exceptional case we've heard, for reasons quite a distressing and haunting.

'She went through experiences that no one should ever have to go through.

'She needs to be reintroduced into the community and back into her family, that can't happen over night but can happen in a supervised and controlled way.'

Freaney was discovered in the Sky Plaza hotel room near Cardiff Airport with multiple knife wounds after a botched suicide attempt.

As she was being arrested, Freaney said: 'He was laughing when I was strangling him. That is when I knew he was happy.

'I had to do it because now no-one can point fingers at him. He is in heaven now.

'I killed him. I was frightened about who would look after him.'

The court heard "loving and devoted" Freaney was facing a lifetime of one-to-one caring for Glen after the breakdown of her abusive marriage.

The jury heard how Glen could walk, run and ride a bike and communicated through a computer by tapping on symbols on the screen. But he was not toilet trained and still wore nappies.

Prosecutor Greg Taylor QC said: 'Glen was a young boy who suffered from severe autism - he was diagnosed when he was aged four.

'He was generally fit and well and had a normal life expectancy but he was totally dependent on adult care.

'He needed help, dressing, washing, brushing his teeth and feeding.'

Mr Taylor told the court Freaney and her husband Mark had a marriage "filled with problems" and she moved out of the family home about a month before Glen's death.

The jury was told how 17-stone former RAF serviceman Mark attacked his wife on numerous occasions at their home in Barry, South Wales.

Police were called several times to the family home after alleged domestic violence. Freaney was examined by doctors for injuries but never pressed charges against her husband.

The court heard Mr Freaney had told social services: 'I'm a wife beater and proud of it. She deserves it.'

Freaney must be supervised by the probation service, attend mental health meetings, live in approved accommodation and not have contact with children under 18 without supervision.

Following the trial Freaney's husband Mark called Glen's death "a tragedy".

He said: 'The outcome of the trial, whatever the verdict reached will not bring Glen back to us.

'The tragedy of his death still causes us great pain. He was a wonderful friendly boy and very much loved by us all and we miss him deeply.'

Her daughter Carla said: 'I want to take this opportunity to thank everyone who has helped and supported us through this very hard time.

'The conclusion of the trial will help give closure for us all and allow us to move on. I love my mother and will remain supportive of her.'

Detective Chief Inspector Richard Jones said: 'Any investigation into the death of a child is distressing for everyone involved.

'This was a very difficult case but it was only correct that the facts were presented at court. We note the decision of the court today and extend our sympathies to the family.'


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2010301/No-point-fingers-heaven-Despairing-mother-strangled-autistic-son-walks-free-court.html#ixzz1QrxoZ8q4

Sorry for the wall of text.

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#2 Posted by Overlord93 (12602 posts) -
I agree with the ruling, must have been a hard call for the judge, I respect his decision.
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#3 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -
Autism isn't real.
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#4 Posted by ZEYAAM898 (1921 posts) -
What the effin is this!!! She should be shot on sight.
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#5 Posted by Hemaneitor (185 posts) -

This is what happens when the inept breed...that sounded a LOT like eugenics. But one thing is not to be ready to have a child, but a completely different thing is to be incapeable to take care of other people when you can't take care of yourself.

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#6 Posted by madsnakehhh (16266 posts) -

Why she is not on jail again? i know a couple with an autistic son, it is hard but killing is not a solution, it is...well murder, a crime, she should be in jail.

I guess that the case is really hard, but murders shouldn't be a solution, there has to be other way than strangle your son.

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#7 Posted by Alter_Echo (10724 posts) -

ITT : Lazy mother kills son because she is tired of caring for him and does not want to continue doing so for the rest of her life. Kills him and gets away with it.

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#8 Posted by Overlord93 (12602 posts) -

ITT : Lazy mother kills son because she is tired of caring for him and does not want to continue doing so for the rest of her life. Kills him and gets away with it.

Alter_Echo

Didn't read the article?

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#9 Posted by markop2003 (29917 posts) -

ITT : Lazy mother kills son because she is tired of caring for him and does not want to continue doing so for the rest of her life. Kills him and gets away with it.

Alter_Echo
She didn't walk free as the title says she got charged with manslaughter. TBH i'ld class this as an insanity case, she needs a therapist not prison.
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#10 Posted by LeonSykes10 (459 posts) -

Umm, you guys saying that the mother should be put to justice.. PLS READ!. Anyway, this is a hard case, but I respect the judge's decision.

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#11 Posted by Nibroc420 (13571 posts) -

Umm, you guys saying that the mother should be put to justice.. PLS READ! and YOU"LL BLEED. Anyway, this is a hard case, but I respect the judge's decision.

LeonSykes10
"Pls read, and you'll bleed"? What does that mean? This lady strangled her son with a belt, in a hotel room, simply because she was tired of caring for him. She's not even human :|
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#12 Posted by airshocker (31700 posts) -

Can we have a TL;DR version, please?

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#13 Posted by POPEYE1716 (4749 posts) -

I respect the Judges decision.

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#14 Posted by Alter_Echo (10724 posts) -

[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]

ITT : Lazy mother kills son because she is tired of caring for him and does not want to continue doing so for the rest of her life. Kills him and gets away with it.

Overlord93

Didn't read the article?

I read the details. Mother with supposed "mental disorders" mercy kills son who would have otherwise maybe lived to be 112 years old. From all i gathered she just seemed mentally and emotionally exhausted and tired of dealing with it. Knowing that unless she killed him that form of exhaustion was going to continue forever...she killed him.

As for her not "getting away with it". She got to go home. To me that's getting away with it.

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#15 Posted by LeonSykes10 (459 posts) -

[QUOTE="LeonSykes10"]

Umm, you guys saying that the mother should be put to justice.. PLS READ! and YOU"LL BLEED. Anyway, this is a hard case, but I respect the judge's decision.

Nibroc420

"Pls read, and you'll bleed"? What does that mean? This lady strangled her son with a belt, in a hotel room, simply because she was tired of caring for him. She's not even human :|

Sorry, I got carried away.:P

"She's not even human"? No, she cared for her son. Even her family (her daughter) did not blame her for it. It was just her mind that was in abnormal state.

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#16 Posted by Overlord93 (12602 posts) -

Can we have a TL;DR version, please?

airshocker
Mother has mental break down from looking after disabled son on her own (husband beat her) wants to kill self doesn't want to leave kid behind or he'll be made fun of/alone and have a bad life Kills son then tries to kill self. Saved by ambulance but son died
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#17 Posted by thegerg (18424 posts) -
Autism isn't real.Fightingfan
Yes, it is. Nice argument, though.
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#18 Posted by needled24-7 (15902 posts) -

Can we have a TL;DR version, please?

airshocker

basically the lady strangled her son with a belt and tried to kill herself afterwards by cutting her wrists, but she failed at killing herself. she believed she was the only one that could care for her son, that's why she wanted to kill him before killing herself.

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#19 Posted by nocoolnamejim (15136 posts) -

Can we have a TL;DR version, please?

airshocker
Mother confessed to killing her kid before attempting suicide herself. Her thought was that nobody could truly care for the kid but her and since she was going to kill herself as well, she needed to kill him first so she could care for the kid in the afterlife. Court ruled that she was legally insane when she did it. She's got basically supervised psychiatric care as a sentence. I wish people would realize that, every once in a while, people just aren't responsible for what they have done due to being utterly bonkers. It's why courts recognize insanity as a legal defense. Because it IS a recognized defense, you will occasionally have people who it applies for and they really ARE innocent due to being, for legal purposes, not competent.
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#20 Posted by needled24-7 (15902 posts) -

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]

ITT : Lazy mother kills son because she is tired of caring for him and does not want to continue doing so for the rest of her life. Kills him and gets away with it.

Alter_Echo

Didn't read the article?

I read the details. Mother with supposed "mental disorders" mercy kills son who would have otherwise maybe lived to be 112 years old. From all i gathered she just seemed mentally and emotionally exhausted and tired of dealing with it. Knowing that unless she killed him that form of exhaustion was going to continue forever...she killed him.

As for her not "getting away with it". She got to go home. To me that's getting away with it.

i agree, to me that is getting away with it.

she believed she was the only person that could care for him, but she is WRONG, there are trained professionals whose job is to look after people like this.

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#21 Posted by airshocker (31700 posts) -

Mother confessed to killing her kid before attempting suicide herself. Her thought was that nobody could truly care for the kid but her and since she was going to kill herself as well, she needed to kill him first so she could care for the kid in the afterlife. Court ruled that she was legally insane when she did it. She's got basically supervised psychiatric care as a sentence. I wish people would realize that, every once in a while, people just aren't responsible for what they have done due to being utterly bonkers. It's why courts recognize insanity as a legal defense. Because it IS a recognized defense, you will occasionally have people who it applies for and they really ARE innocent due to being, for legal purposes, not competent. nocoolnamejim

Ah okay. TY.

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#22 Posted by Alter_Echo (10724 posts) -
I think my problem is that i really don't buy that she WANTED to kill herself. If she really "wanted to kill herself" she would have killed her son and then jumped off a building or some other form of suicide that has a near 100% success rate regardless of how bad you are at it. It's entirely possible that the mercy part of the kill is genuine, i just think that her suicide was more along the lines of 'i either die and don't go to jail or i maybe survive and don't go to jail because a judge will really think i am nuts'. The failing at suicide thing extends out to everybody really. Nobody that really wanted to die has ever failed at it. Just a bunch of people who think they want to die because life sucks.
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#23 Posted by lowkey254 (5965 posts) -

This should go to appeals. This may set a precedence for other parents to do the same and be excused for it.

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#24 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
I agree with the ruling, must have been a hard call for the judge, I respect his decision.Overlord93
I'm also ok with this although the mother should be getting some mental help but prison is no place for such a person.
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#25 Posted by sonicare (56014 posts) -

ITT : Lazy mother kills son because she is tired of caring for him and does not want to continue doing so for the rest of her life. Kills him and gets away with it.

Alter_Echo
I wouldn't call her lazy. Dealing with an autistic child is probably an incredibly stressful and draining process. However, I'm sure there are better options than murder.
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#26 Posted by Nibroc420 (13571 posts) -
[QUOTE="Overlord93"]I agree with the ruling, must have been a hard call for the judge, I respect his decision.kuraimen
I'm also ok with this although the mother should be getting some mental help but prison is no place for such a person.

She strangled her child to death. She's clearly got no heart, or moral compass. Prison would be a good fit.
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#27 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Overlord93"]I agree with the ruling, must have been a hard call for the judge, I respect his decision.Nibroc420
I'm also ok with this although the mother should be getting some mental help but prison is no place for such a person.

She strangled her child to death. She's clearly got no heart, or moral compass. Prison would be a good fit.

As the trial found out she actually killed her son because she has a big heart just not a very sane mind.
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#28 Posted by Overlord93 (12602 posts) -

I think my problem is that i really don't buy that she WANTED to kill herself. If she really "wanted to kill herself" she would have killed her son and then jumped off a building or some other form of suicide that has a near 100% success rate regardless of how bad you are at it. It's entirely possible that the mercy part of the kill is genuine, i just think that her suicide was more along the lines of 'i either die and don't go to jail or i maybe survive and don't go to jail because a judge will really think i am nuts'. The failing at suicide thing extends out to everybody really. Nobody that really wanted to die has ever failed at it. Just a bunch of people who think they want to die because life sucks.Alter_Echo
First off, jumping off a building to kill yourself is not only selfish, but also, painful and doesn't have a 100% success rate, nothing does.

Secondly, She wanted to die with her son, not leap off a building in a remote district after killing him somewhere else. Cutting of the wrists in generally the most accessable form of suicide. and to say she was just doing it to get attention is so ridiculous I can't politely even respond to that.

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#29 Posted by Nibroc420 (13571 posts) -
[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] I'm also ok with this although the mother should be getting some mental help but prison is no place for such a person.

She strangled her child to death. She's clearly got no heart, or moral compass. Prison would be a good fit.

As the trial found out she actually killed her son because she has a big heart just not a very sane mind.

A big heart? or a decent acting talent, mixed with some "I hate caring for my autistic son" and a touch of "omg did i just kill my son?" Seems to me, she's just a heartless murder, who should've never been a mother in the first place. Some people just arent cut out for children, doesn't mean you strangle them with your belt.
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#30 Posted by Overlord93 (12602 posts) -

A big heart? or a decent acting talent,Nibroc420
poor argument, you could say this about anyone proven innocent in history ever, kind of pointless, and to say this when you haven't even seen the whole case.

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#31 Posted by Nibroc420 (13571 posts) -

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]A big heart? or a decent acting talent,Overlord93

poor argument, you could say this about anyone proven innocent in history ever, kind of pointless, and to say this when you haven't even seen the whole case.

I personally enjoy that because a single person has sympathy for this woman's situation, no-one's actually remembering SHE KILLED HER SON. This case: Woman murders her son because she's tired of being a mother now, (guess the fad ended or something) Claims she tried to kill herself as well Court deems her insane, because she had to care for her autistic son. (yet she did it for 10+ years, problem only occurs now) Everyone in this thread: "Baww, her son was autistic? That sucks, i feel sorry for her" (Why not feel sorry for the autistic boy who was murdered by his mother?) There's no hope anymore when murders go off free because they killed their way out of a responsibility that they themselves created by having kids.,.
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#32 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -

A big heart? or a decent acting talent, mixed with some "I hate caring for my autistic son" and a touch of "omg did i just kill my son?" Nibroc420

Well we don't know that, all we know is what the news say and if the news is right then that means she has a big heart.

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#33 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -
[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"]A big heart? or a decent acting talent,Nibroc420

poor argument, you could say this about anyone proven innocent in history ever, kind of pointless, and to say this when you haven't even seen the whole case.

I personally enjoy that because a single person has sympathy for this woman's situation, no-one's actually remembering SHE KILLED HER SON. This case: Woman murders her son because she's tired of being a mother now, (guess the fad ended or something) Claims she tried to kill herself as well Court deems her insane, because she had to care for her autistic son. (yet she did it for 10+ years, problem only occurs now) Everyone in this thread: "Baww, her son was autistic? That sucks, i feel sorry for her" (Why not feel sorry for the autistic boy who was murdered by his mother?) There's no hope anymore when murders go off free because they killed their way out of a responsibility that they themselves created by having kids.,.

She didn't kill her son because she was tired, she killed him because she thought he would suffer. She clearly was not sane mentally while thinking that but it can happen. In that regard she's similar to what people that support euthanasia do and I support euthanasia. Of course normally the person will be able to say if he wants to live and it wasn't the case here yet it was more a matter of she not being mentally fit than being evil. I don't think people who help others die to appease some suffering are evil in any way, on the contrary, each case should be seen separetely.
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#34 Posted by Overlord93 (12602 posts) -

This case:Woman murders her son because she's tired of being a mother now, (guess the fad ended or something)Nibroc420

Yeah, l2read bro
she has a son who can't even wash himself and was repeatedly beaten by her husband so she had to look after him alone.
yeah, its not uncommon for even happy couples to struggle with keeping a child with severe autism.
The entire story is about why she murdered her son.
and yet you completely ignore that.
You don't even seem to understand what manslaughter is, so how can I even argue?
What? You think the kid was just a bit of a brat so she killed him?
If you want to argue, I suggest you don't exaggerate because it doesn't help your cause.

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#35 Posted by lowkey254 (5965 posts) -

I've not read the article. Is it possible that she's mentally handicapped as well?

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#36 Posted by Nibroc420 (13571 posts) -

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Overlord93"]poor argument, you could say this about anyone proven innocent in history ever, kind of pointless, and to say this when you haven't even seen the whole case.

kuraimen

I personally enjoy that because a single person has sympathy for this woman's situation, no-one's actually remembering SHE KILLED HER SON. This case: Woman murders her son because she's tired of being a mother now, (guess the fad ended or something) Claims she tried to kill herself as well Court deems her insane, because she had to care for her autistic son. (yet she did it for 10+ years, problem only occurs now) Everyone in this thread: "Baww, her son was autistic? That sucks, i feel sorry for her" (Why not feel sorry for the autistic boy who was murdered by his mother?) There's no hope anymore when murders go off free because they killed their way out of a responsibility that they themselves created by having kids.,.

She didn't kill her son because she was tired, she killed him because she thought he would suffer. She clearly was not sane mentally while thinking that but it can happen. In that regard she's similar to what people that support euthanasia do and I support euthanasia. Of course normally the person will be able to say if he wants to live and it wasn't the case here yet it was more a matter of she not being mentally fit than being evil. I don't think people who help others die to appease some suffering are evil in any way, on the contrary, each case should be seen separetely.

:roll: Unless the boy stated he wanted to be euthanized, it's murder. She had a son.
She is responsible for her son.
She grows tired of caring for her son.
She kills son.
That's not how parenthood works, nor do i see this setting a good precedent for future parent/child murders.

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#37 Posted by Alter_Echo (10724 posts) -

[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]I think my problem is that i really don't buy that she WANTED to kill herself. If she really "wanted to kill herself" she would have killed her son and then jumped off a building or some other form of suicide that has a near 100% success rate regardless of how bad you are at it. It's entirely possible that the mercy part of the kill is genuine, i just think that her suicide was more along the lines of 'i either die and don't go to jail or i maybe survive and don't go to jail because a judge will really think i am nuts'. The failing at suicide thing extends out to everybody really. Nobody that really wanted to die has ever failed at it. Just a bunch of people who think they want to die because life sucks.Overlord93

First off, jumping off a building to kill yourself is not only selfish, but also, painful and doesn't have a 100% success rate, nothing does.

Secondly, She wanted to die with her son, not leap off a building in a remote district after killing him somewhere else. Cutting of the wrists in generally the most accessable form of suicide. and to say she was just doing it to get attention is so ridiculous I can't politely even respond to that.

How do you know she wanted to die with her son? You only know that because it's what she said. Her saying it does not make it fact. It wouldn't be the first time a murderer has lied about something.

So whats worse, taking care of that kid forever or killing him and going to jail forever? Both are terrible options so why not try to avoid both of them by killing him AND remaining free. Ok, whats the best way to accomplish that? Kill him and portray yourself as a crazy person. Mission accomplished.

I really don't understand why that is so hard for you to imagine. Sure it might not be the case but it is as plausible a situation as the one you are presenting.

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#38 Posted by Nibroc420 (13571 posts) -

So whats worse, taking care of that kid forever or killing him and going to jail forever? Both are terrible options so why not try to avoid both of them by killing him AND remaining free. Ok, whats the best way to accomplish that? Kill him and portray yourself as a crazy person. Mission accomplished.

Alter_Echo

Exactly this.

She was tired of raising her kid, and knew she couldn't get out of it without the kid being dead. This is the only positive outcome for the mother.

If anything, she's being rewarded for killing her son. Isn't that a bit backwards?

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#39 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] I personally enjoy that because a single person has sympathy for this woman's situation, no-one's actually remembering SHE KILLED HER SON. This case: Woman murders her son because she's tired of being a mother now, (guess the fad ended or something) Claims she tried to kill herself as well Court deems her insane, because she had to care for her autistic son. (yet she did it for 10+ years, problem only occurs now) Everyone in this thread: "Baww, her son was autistic? That sucks, i feel sorry for her" (Why not feel sorry for the autistic boy who was murdered by his mother?) There's no hope anymore when murders go off free because they killed their way out of a responsibility that they themselves created by having kids.,.Nibroc420

She didn't kill her son because she was tired, she killed him because she thought he would suffer. She clearly was not sane mentally while thinking that but it can happen. In that regard she's similar to what people that support euthanasia do and I support euthanasia. Of course normally the person will be able to say if he wants to live and it wasn't the case here yet it was more a matter of she not being mentally fit than being evil. I don't think people who help others die to appease some suffering are evil in any way, on the contrary, each case should be seen separetely.

:roll: Unless the boy stated he wanted to be euthanized, it's murder. She had a son.
She is responsible for her son.
She grows tired of caring for her son.
She kills son.
That's not how parenthood works, nor do i see this setting a good precedent for future parent/child murders.

Nobody here is denying she killed her son, not even the court. The issue here is about the reasons behind why she killed her son. I don't think she's an evil person because of why she did it. I think a mental treatement is more appropriate for this person than a prison treatement.

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#40 Posted by Overlord93 (12602 posts) -

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]I think my problem is that i really don't buy that she WANTED to kill herself. If she really "wanted to kill herself" she would have killed her son and then jumped off a building or some other form of suicide that has a near 100% success rate regardless of how bad you are at it. It's entirely possible that the mercy part of the kill is genuine, i just think that her suicide was more along the lines of 'i either die and don't go to jail or i maybe survive and don't go to jail because a judge will really think i am nuts'. The failing at suicide thing extends out to everybody really. Nobody that really wanted to die has ever failed at it. Just a bunch of people who think they want to die because life sucks.Alter_Echo

First off, jumping off a building to kill yourself is not only selfish, but also, painful and doesn't have a 100% success rate, nothing does.

Secondly, She wanted to die with her son, not leap off a building in a remote district after killing him somewhere else. Cutting of the wrists in generally the most accessable form of suicide. and to say she was just doing it to get attention is so ridiculous I can't politely even respond to that.

How do you know she wanted to die with her son? You only know that because it's what she said. Her saying it does not make it fact. It wouldn't be the first time a murderer has lied about something.

So whats worse, taking care of that kid forever or killing him and going to jail forever? Both are terrible options so why not try to avoid both of them by killing him AND remaining free. Ok, whats the best way to accomplish that? Kill him and portray yourself as a crazy person. Mission accomplished.

I really don't understand why that is so hard for you to imagine. Sure it might not be the case but it is as plausible a situation as the one you are presenting.

Its plauusable yes. But Its like saying "maybe that person didn't commit murder, maybe the person they killed just committed suicide so well that it looks exactly like murder"

The judge had to make a decision: did she pretend and murder her son to get him off her back

or did she break down and lose mental capacity, wanting to kill him out of mercy.

Conspiracy theories like this are possible for anything, you just have to judge what is the more likely, and I don't think a 49 yr old mother of an autistic son could do that.

Heres a simalar case of a mother who did the same thing but failed at killing herself then tried to pull the pity card. She failed

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#41 Posted by Aquat1cF1sh (11095 posts) -
Wow. All I can say is, I'm glad I wasn't the judge.
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#42 Posted by Nibroc420 (13571 posts) -
Wow. All I can say is, I'm glad I wasn't the judge.Aquat1cF1sh
Why? There was some pretty substantial evidence that she murdered her son.
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#43 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -

[QUOTE="Overlord93"]

[QUOTE="Alter_Echo"]I think my problem is that i really don't buy that she WANTED to kill herself. If she really "wanted to kill herself" she would have killed her son and then jumped off a building or some other form of suicide that has a near 100% success rate regardless of how bad you are at it. It's entirely possible that the mercy part of the kill is genuine, i just think that her suicide was more along the lines of 'i either die and don't go to jail or i maybe survive and don't go to jail because a judge will really think i am nuts'. The failing at suicide thing extends out to everybody really. Nobody that really wanted to die has ever failed at it. Just a bunch of people who think they want to die because life sucks.Alter_Echo

First off, jumping off a building to kill yourself is not only selfish, but also, painful and doesn't have a 100% success rate, nothing does.

Secondly, She wanted to die with her son, not leap off a building in a remote district after killing him somewhere else. Cutting of the wrists in generally the most accessable form of suicide. and to say she was just doing it to get attention is so ridiculous I can't politely even respond to that.

How do you know she wanted to die with her son? You only know that because it's what she said. Her saying it does not make it fact. It wouldn't be the first time a murderer has lied about something.

So whats worse, taking care of that kid forever or killing him and going to jail forever? Both are terrible options so why not try to avoid both of them by killing him AND remaining free. Ok, whats the best way to accomplish that? Kill him and portray yourself as a crazy person. Mission accomplished.

I really don't understand why that is so hard for you to imagine. Sure it might not be the case but it is as plausible a situation as the one you are presenting.

Yes it is a plausible situation that's why during a trial people can use psychiatric evaluations, testimonies and even lying detectors to see if a person is saying the turth. Convicting everybody the same way would be equally as wrong that's why each case should be seen separetely and shouldn't rely solely on what happened on other cases.
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#44 Posted by tenaka2 (17054 posts) -

I'd agree with the ruling in this instance.

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#45 Posted by thegerg (18424 posts) -
[QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Wow. All I can say is, I'm glad I wasn't the judge.Nibroc420
Why? There was some pretty substantial evidence that she murdered her son.

I feel that the most difficult thing to prove in this case would be malice, which is necessary for murder.
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#46 Posted by Nibroc420 (13571 posts) -
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="Aquat1cF1sh"]Wow. All I can say is, I'm glad I wasn't the judge.thegerg
Why? There was some pretty substantial evidence that she murdered her son.

I feel that the most difficult thing to prove in this case would be malice, which is necessary for murder.

Murder is simply "Unlawful killing" of another person. There's nothing lawful about having a child, raising him 1/8th into their life, and then strangling them to death with a belt.
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#47 Posted by dnafactory (231 posts) -

Another proof that judical system is still flawed?

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#48 Posted by tenaka2 (17054 posts) -

Another proof that judical system is still flawed?

dnafactory

Compassion is not a flaw.

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#49 Posted by Alter_Echo (10724 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Why? There was some pretty substantial evidence that she murdered her son.Nibroc420
I feel that the most difficult thing to prove in this case would be malice, which is necessary for murder.

Murder is simply "Unlawful killing" of another person. There's nothing lawful about having a child, raising him 1/8th into their life, and then strangling them to death with a belt.

Which is pretty much what i am trying to say. Even in the event that I am completely wrong in my other posts and things are exactly as they were presented, she still needs to go to jail.

Someone was alive and now they aren't because of her actions. Sure there are mitigating factors that should have affected the AMOUNT of time she got. I see no factors that should have made that amount = none.

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#50 Posted by Overlord93 (12602 posts) -
[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="Nibroc420"] Why? There was some pretty substantial evidence that she murdered her son.

I feel that the most difficult thing to prove in this case would be malice, which is necessary for murder.

Murder is simply "Unlawful killing" of another person. There's nothing lawful about having a child, raising him 1/8th into their life, and then strangling them to death with a belt.

If you read his post, you would have realised the definition of murder is unlawful killing WITH MALICE