@foxhound_fox: I'm not saying we need to call a masculine woman a man, I'm saying what sort of mentality would cause a man to suddenly decide "I want to be a woman" for no other reason than just wanting to but then not even attempting to mask the fact she is a man by having more facial hair than a hobo?
If you are going to go for it at least go all the way. Obviously surgery is another topic all together but when you are actually a man, who wants to be a woman but then present yourself as a man in pretty much every way, it is borderline attention seeking.
Like I said if you genuinely are just born that way we can all stand by that person but sometimes that just isn't the case.
@Barbariser: Yeah, perhaps I am getting my vocab mixed up a little then. That would make a lot of sense. I mean if someone is genuinely born in that way we can all stand by that problem, for the person.
@XilePrincess: It isn't a PERSONAL problem I'm just trying to make sense of it. I mean imagine if someone was discriminatory towards them for it, imagine the backlash that would cause. And in that case you've got to ask yourself if the person can't even be bothered to shave their beard off how did they expect anything else? If they don't care that much why should everyone else? It is almost like an extreme form of attention seeking.
If someone is genuinely having trouble with gender identity because of the way they were born that is fine we can all get behind that person because it wasn't their fault. But when people genuinely look like they are seeking attention from it that seems like they are being just as insensitive to the people who are having gender issues than the people who are discriminatory. Almost like they are saying I don't have true gender issues but I'm going to make it an issue on purpose.
@lostrib: Yeah but women have a hard time growing a particularly thick beard. Hormones go a long way. Most women who have beards could easily mask it if they so chose. It isn't like a man who at the age of 30 will haveheavy stubble shadow. It is almost like a teenager's beard. Kind of patchy and thin. All because the hormone balance isn't right. When you can see a beard like Osama Binladen on a person in a dress though? Get my point.
@lamprey263: Yes exactly that is my point. For someone in that situation where they are genuinely on the borderline between the two, we can all understand that, that isn't their fault and we should all support them. But when people kind of make the "choice" on purpose for no other reason other than they could, that is just as offensive to transgender people as discrimination as far as I can see. I think I am using the wrong vocab, transgender and cross dressing is what I'm really trying to distinguish which is why I am failing because I've been thinking of them as the same thing.
Cross dressing is just a terrible form of attention seeking as far as I can see.
@deeliman: To be fair the song was fucking garbage and when she looks like she does it is like adding salt to the wound. Hell I was just glad the UK didn't come dead last again. But man that song was shit. I'm probably not going to watch Eurovision again for a couple of years. There were so many talented groups there and one of the worst ones won.
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