Its dam ridiculous how overpaid athletes and celebs are

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And you can make more money i'ts not like I think the limit should be 150 grand. I think it's ridiculous that people could actually have a billion dollars. A limit at 5 million I think would be adequate no one needs more than that and 99% of people are never even going to make it close to that anyways.

EntropyWins

There is a reason we value individualism and exceptionalism. Do you want to turn into the rioters in the UK?

Mind your business and stop worrying about what other people make. Worry about something you CAN change. Like improving your life.

Oh please. Actors and athelets are exploiting no one.

LOLz guys, I was joking. I suppose 40K is not low enough to being sarcastic. :Pmagicalclick

Because it's free enterprize, not government. It may be ridiculous but people pay to go to the movies they are in and pay for the movie related merchandise. Same for athletes. People buy tickets and merchandise. People GIVE them money, THAT'S why. They know the profit margin. So Actors shouldn't ask for a lot if the studio has a lot? Just let the studio keep ALL of that profit. DO you know why actors come and go, because actors are attractions and studios want to cash in on that attraction, but once an actor realizes they are a star they want more. That's why studios are always looking for new talent, because newbies work for less.

It's a stupid question. They know the money is there and their talent did all of the work therefore they want their share of the money they generated, No attraction, no money.

i have a similar sentiment, it makes me unhappy to see very poor people on the same planet as those high-paid people

I could care less. They entertain me. I'm more wanting companies to take less profit and pay higher wages and salaries to everyone.

[QUOTE="EntropyWins"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

There is a reason we value individualism and exceptionalism. Do you want to turn into the rioters in the UK?

Mind your business and stop worrying about what other people make. Worry about something you CAN change. Like improving your life.

worlock77

Oh please. Actors and athelets are exploiting no one.

a doctor can be a doctor for decades. the career of a pro athlete is usually about 10-15 years and they do a lot of damage to their bodies for the long term. plus sports are fun to watch, i dont see the problemmems_1224

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[QUOTE="EntropyWins"] lol spoken like a true elitist. As long as all the poor folk mind their business and allow the system to continue, then the rich can keep getting richer at the expense of the poor's labor and essentially their lives. magicalclick

Oh please. Actors and athelets are exploiting no one.

Not quite true. They exploit the people's need for entertainment. Actors exploit the people's need to stay hip and trendy.

lol spoken like a true elitist. As long as all the poor folk mind their business and allow the system to continue, then the rich can keep getting richer at the expense of the poor's labor and essentially their lives. EntropyWins

:lol: I'm the furthest thing from an elitist there is.

What somebody makes has nothing to do with the poor. At all.

You can either work a dead-end job, or better yourself and get a better job. Or are you against that as well?

not for matt damon

EntropyWins

He would not be able to help those teachers if he didn't have the money to spare. I see no reason why it's evil that he makes millions, especially if he's helping people.

i have a similar sentiment, it makes me unhappy to see very poor people on the same planet as those high-paid people

Scr00I

It makes me unhappy to see people with the luxury of screwing around on the internet on the same planet a people who don't have enough to eat.

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[QUOTE="EntropyWins"] lol spoken like a true elitist. As long as all the poor folk mind their business and allow the system to continue, then the rich can keep getting richer at the expense of the poor's labor and essentially their lives. magicalclick

Oh please. Actors and athelets are exploiting no one.

Not quite true. They exploit the people's need for entertainment. Actors exploit the people's need to stay hip and trendy.

Oh bulls***. When people willingly pay to be entertained they are not being exploited.

It makes me unhappy to see people with the luxury of screwing around on the internet on the same planet a people who don't have enough to eat.

worlock77

Stop making me like you, worlock.

For the people saying we should put caps on how much they can make, it's not a good idea. The main reason is because it could scare people away. One example is if we say tomorrow in the US that the most you can make per year is $300,000. Then Canada or the UK turns around and says they'll give those celebrities who can no longer make millions here that they'll let them get those millions. We just lost 90% of our celebrities and a lot of revenue from movie studios. Some towns make millions when a studio films a movie there.

It's really no different than when you have doctors from third world countries applying for medical visas to practice in the US since they know they'll make a lot more money here than where they live now. We need a minimum wage to make sure we're not totally screwing over everybody who has a legitimate job but we can't do a maximum wage without pissing some people off and losing them to a place that will pay them more.

You do realise that buying big mansions and expensive cars provides jobs for engineers, carpenters, etc? If someone deems them worthy to make a bunch of money for their contributions to entertainment then let them have it and spend it.

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Not quite true. They exploit the people's need for entertainment. Actors exploit the people's need to stay hip and trendy.

magicalclick

Oh bulls***. When people willingly pay to be entertained they are not being exploited.

That's the fun part. They thought they don't NEED it, but, in reality, for them, they NEED it. Can you completely quit gaming and say, you don't need video game right now?

Considering that I've went the better part of a year without playing before I can safely say "yes".

I could care less. They entertain me. I'm more wanting companies to take less profit and pay higher wages and salaries to everyone.

Sunfyre7896

Who doesn't, but the problem isthey can always find someone elseto do your job. If you don't likewhat they pay you then you can quit. We're outsourcing technical jobs to countries that can speak english but will work for whatever while manufacturing contracts are being sent to other countries. So your want is a pipe dream.

The people who are creating the depression don't care because they will be rich and have all of the purchasing power. They don't care what they do to the country, our economy, nor this nations future. They can always move to another country anyway. It's strip mining.

While these people get paid for playing sports and having fun, firefighters, doctors, and our military save lives and risk theirs for pennies, so what if they worked since they were kids? its not like doctors become doctors in one day. No wonder why we are in a bad economy.

I know they get paid alot because of US paying their salary but that money should be used in more important things than buying a mansion and a golden airplane

Merc009

http://www.google.com/search?q=economics

That will explain everything.

a doctor can be a doctor for decades. the career of a pro athlete is usually about 10-15 years and they do a lot of damage to their bodies for the long term. plus sports are fun to watch, i dont see the problemmems_1224

Yea? what about all those people sacrificing their lifes in a war where everyday they wake up is a day they could die? I guess they don't get enough "damage", plus,in 5 years some of those athletes make more than the average person makes in a lifetime

No it isn't.. Would you rather the owners make all the money instead of the athletes, the people actually risking their bodies?sSubZerOo

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While these people get paid for playing sports and having fun, firefighters, doctors, and our military save lives and risk theirs for pennies, so what if they worked since they were kids? its not like doctors become doctors in one day. No wonder why we are in a bad economy.

I know they get paid alot because of US paying their salary but that money should be used in more important things than buying a mansion and a golden airplane

Blaze787

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He should make whatever the limit is. The limit should be the same for everyone any extra should be taxed out and used for education and healthcare etc. Obviously no one agrees with me, people are too greedy they need the kind of motivation that only millions of dollars can provide.

Jolt_counter119

Most people are self interested, not greedy. It's in my interest to make more money, whether you like it or not.

And you can make more money i'ts not like I think the limit should be 150 grand. I think it's ridiculous that people could actually have a billion dollars. A limit at 5 million I think would be adequate no one needs more than that and 99% of people are never even going to make it close to that anyways.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]No it isn't.. Would you rather the owners make all the money instead of the athletes, the people actually risking their bodies?trick_man01

Yet again nothing like the Players are risking for sports like football.. The average life expectancy for a football player is in the 50s!http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/10/3/122610.shtml

[QUOTE="trick_man01"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]No it isn't.. Would you rather the owners make all the money instead of the athletes, the people actually risking their bodies?sSubZerOo

Yet again nothing like the Players are risking for sports like football.. The average life expectancy for a football player is in the 50s!http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/10/3/122610.shtml

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[QUOTE="trick_man01"]The owners have a right to make money, after all they are the ones that put forth the money so we can watch grown men play a game. The owners take risk too, it's just a different kind of risk.trick_man01

Yet again nothing like the Players are risking for sports like football.. The average life expectancy for a football player is in the 50s!http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/10/3/122610.shtml

:| Yet again completely missing my point.. Why are athletes attacked about this when they are the ones that risk the most and are the main draw of the crowd??

:| Yet again completely missing my point.. Why are athletes attacked about this when they are the ones that risk the most and are the main draw of the crowd??sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]:| Yet again completely missing my point.. Why are athletes attacked about this when they are the ones that risk the most and are the main draw of the crowd??trick_man01

:| The hell are you even talking about.. The athletes make NO WHERE CLOSE to the actual industry behind it.. That is my entire point.. They are the main draw, they are in fact risking the most.. Yet they are the ones attacked for making millions in a industry that makesbillions upon billiosnof dollars.. Especially when the majority of football players do not make that much to begin with.. That was one of the main things with the lock out.. It was to benefit ALL the players not just the hot shots that get multi million dollar contracts.. You guys are attacking the wrong people.. And maybe because your showing a trending problem in the area? Its not that they are making too much money, its that the people are making too little.. The average wages have stagnated for decades compared to the sky rocketing profits of the said owner..

:| The hell are you even talking about.. The athletes make NO WHERE CLOSE to the actual industry behind it.. That is my entire point.. They are the main draw, they are in fact risking the most.. Yet they are the ones attacked for making millions in a industry that makesbillions upon billiosnof dollars.. Especially when the majority of football players do not make that much to begin with.. That was one of the main things with the lock out.. It was to benefit ALL the players not just the hot shots that get multi million dollar contracts.. You guys are attacking the wrong people.. And maybe because your showing a trending problem in the area? Its not that they are making too much money, its that the people are making too little.. The average wages have stagnated for decades compared to the sky rocketing profits of the said owner..sSubZerOo

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]a doctor can be a doctor for decades. the career of a pro athlete is usually about 10-15 years and they do a lot of damage to their bodies for the long term. plus sports are fun to watch, i dont see the problemcomp_atkins

[QUOTE="mems_1224"]a doctor can be a doctor for decades. the career of a pro athlete is usually about 10-15 years and they do a lot of damage to their bodies for the long term. plus sports are fun to watch, i dont see the problemMerc009

Yea? what about all those people sacrificing their lifes in a war where everyday they wake up is a day they could die? I guess they don't get enough "damage", plus,in 5 years some of those athletes make more than the average person makes in a lifetime

It's not really ridiculous. It's basic common sense. If Tom Cruise can make Studio A 500 million dollars in his next movie they're going to offer him millions to prevent him from jumping ship to Studio B because he's just that valuable. On the other hand, if Private Joe Blow can't cut it in basic training you can just kick him out and get the next person who's waiting in line to enlist to take his place. Even with that, the longer you stay in the more you make. Generals make almost $200,000 a year because they have decades of experience versus a private who makes around $20,000-$30,000 a year (depending on if they're married or not) because they're easily replicable. The celebrities make a lot of money for the people they work for and that's why they get the big bucks. The ones who aren't performing usually get pushed aside if they're not making that much money. With government workers and the military their paycheck is coming from your tax dollars. They're not making any money for their employer (unless you count traffic fines from the highway patrol).

ad1x2

Lol I wish I made 20-30k it's more like 15k.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]:| The hell are you even talking about.. The athletes make NO WHERE CLOSE to the actual industry behind it.. That is my entire point.. They are the main draw, they are in fact risking the most.. Yet they are the ones attacked for making millions in a industry that makesbillions upon billiosnof dollars.. Especially when the majority of football players do not make that much to begin with.. That was one of the main things with the lock out.. It was to benefit ALL the players not just the hot shots that get multi million dollar contracts.. You guys are attacking the wrong people.. And maybe because your showing a trending problem in the area? Its not that they are making too much money, its that the people are making too little.. The average wages have stagnated for decades compared to the sky rocketing profits of the said owner..trick_man01

I see so what your trying to say is the athletes don't deserve it when they are in fact risking the most and are the main draw.. But the owners and businesses behind it can never be critical of even though they are the ones hardly risking anything.. Your logic is warped.. Making more than enough money? What exactly does tha tmean? And what your making your self sound like is a huge hypocrit.. You are putting standards on the atheletes saying they are spoiled and are already paid enough..But you completely ignore any kind of standards for the businesses who are making the maority of the money behind it.. Yeah I think we are done here, there is no point in furthering this argument... Its quite laughable that you are critical of the said atheletes but are not critical of the business behind it what so ever.. Quite a double standard.

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[QUOTE="trick_man01"]The owners have a right to make money, after all they are the ones that put forth the money so we can watch grown men play a game. The owners take risk too, it's just a different kind of risk.trick_man01

Yet again nothing like the Players are risking for sports like football.. The average life expectancy for a football player is in the 50s!http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/10/3/122610.shtml

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"][QUOTE="mems_1224"]a doctor can be a doctor for decades. the career of a pro athlete is usually about 10-15 years and they do a lot of damage to their bodies for the long term. plus sports are fun to watch, i dont see the problemmems_1224

I would like to also point out that unlike a Surgeon.. Kobe Bryant is powering a multi billion industry.. If we were to lower Athlete the money would still go to some one else that we didnt' feel earn it.. Yet its Kobe with his body on the line, commitment and talent that attracts the audience.. Its a partnership.. Most people can't do what Kobe can do.. Yeah sure it sucks that a surgeon makes less then Kobe Bryant, but if we were to limit Bryant's wage, as said earlier.. It would only fall into the pockets of the owners and corporations that are making billions on the backs of said atheletes.

[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="comp_atkins"] you ever watch a surgery? it's quite exciting.sSubZerOo

I would like to also point out that unlike a Surgeon.. Kobe Bryant is powering a multi billion industry.. If we were to lower Athlete the money would still go to some one else that we didnt' feel earn it.. Yet its Kobe with his body on the line, commitment and talent that attracts the audience.. Its a partnership.. Most people can't do what Kobe can do.. Yeah sure it sucks that a surgeon makes less then Kobe Bryant, but if we were to limit Bryant's wage, as said earlier.. It would only fall into the pockets of the owners and corporations that are making billions on the backs of said atheletes.

Just saying that being an actor isn't an easy job.

Lto_thaG

yeah like going through med school right? difficulty is not an issue, is a market issue

On principal people who actually contribute to society (doctors, civil workers, soldiers, etc) should make more than athletes, but since this is capitalism, it really dosn't matter. I do however think that actors and music artists should be paid a pretty big wage because they contribute to cultural advancement.

On principal people who actually contribute to society (doctors, civil workers, soldiers, etc) should make more than athletes, but since this is capitalism, it really dosn't matter. I do however think that actors and music artists should be paid a pretty big wage because they contribute to cultural advancement.

Tokugawa77

Well thats hardly fair.. Some of the greatest cultural advancement was done by athletes.. In and out of the arena..

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On principal people who actually contribute to society (doctors, civil workers, soldiers, etc) should make more than athletes, but since this is capitalism, it really dosn't matter. I do however think that actors and music artists should be paid a pretty big wage because they contribute to cultural advancement.

sSubZerOo

Well thats hardly fair.. Some of the greatest cultural advancement was done by athletes.. In and out of the arena..

Maybe it's just my bias against athletes- but can you honestly tell me that Micheal Jordan, for example, affected the country more than lets say, The Beatles? Sports are just for entertainment but the media and music are much more- they can change our world view as a country.

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[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

On principal people who actually contribute to society (doctors, civil workers, soldiers, etc) should make more than athletes, but since this is capitalism, it really dosn't matter. I do however think that actors and music artists should be paid a pretty big wage because they contribute to cultural advancement.

Tokugawa77

Well thats hardly fair.. Some of the greatest cultural advancement was done by athletes.. In and out of the arena..

Maybe it's just my bias against athletes- but can you honestly tell me that Micheal Jordan, for example, affected the country more than lets say, The Beatles? Sports are just for entertainment but the media and music are much more- they can change our world view as a country.

Yeah, I think that is just your bias.

You going to argue against the millions of kids who look up to people like Michael Jordan and say he is their hero and tell them that "x" band is more important?

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[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

On principal people who actually contribute to society (doctors, civil workers, soldiers, etc) should make more than athletes, but since this is capitalism, it really dosn't matter. I do however think that actors and music artists should be paid a pretty big wage because they contribute to cultural advancement.

Tokugawa77

Well thats hardly fair.. Some of the greatest cultural advancement was done by athletes.. In and out of the arena..

Maybe it's just my bias against athletes- but can you honestly tell me that Micheal Jordan, for example, affected the country more than lets say, The Beatles? Sports are just for entertainment but the media and music are much more- they can change our world view as a country.

And what about men like Muhammad Ali? If anything one of the greatest influences in ending accepted racism in the United States was at the feet of famous black athletes that had to deal with racism.. Whether it was in Footballl, baseball (especially this one) and numerous others.. Just for an example..

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[QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

On principal people who actually contribute to society (doctors, civil workers, soldiers, etc) should make more than athletes, but since this is capitalism, it really dosn't matter. I do however think that actors and music artists should be paid a pretty big wage because they contribute to cultural advancement.

Tokugawa77

Well thats hardly fair.. Some of the greatest cultural advancement was done by athletes.. In and out of the arena..

Maybe it's just my bias against athletes- but can you honestly tell me that Micheal Jordan, for example, affected the country more than lets say, The Beatles? Sports are just for entertainment but the media and music are much more- they can change our world view as a country.