It seems the US government thinks the war on drugs is more important than...

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] no sh*t, because coke is illegal therefore much more rarely used. More peopel are killed in car accidents than are murdered, is murdur fine? No. Your lack of logic baffels me.

Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] False. Murder is illegal because it infringes on other people's rights. Consuming a drug does not inherently infringe on someone's else rights. Toxic-Seahorse

Exactly. There is a difference between infringing on other's rights and consenting. By that logic, if we wanted to ban drugs to protect the people, perhaps we should ban contact sports such as boxing or even football since they do lead to deaths (or at least, an early death).

So that's a reason to ban drugs? :?

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] False. Murder is illegal because it infringes on other people's rights. Consuming a drug does not inherently infringe on someone's else rights. Aljosa23

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] You want a nanny state, then? Despicable. l4dak47

Allowing something that doesn't make people any happier that causes those problems just makes society worse.

You need a logic lesson.

Coke blows up your heart, ciggarettes cause cancer. In the end, they'll both kill you, and neither benefit humans.

your logic is getting worse btw.

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Exactly. There is a difference between infringing on other's rights and consenting. By that logic, if we wanted to ban drugs to protect the people, perhaps we should ban contact sports such as boxing or even football since they do lead to deaths (or at least, an early death).

leviathan91

So that's a reason to ban drugs? :?

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] no sh*t, because coke is illegal therefore much more rarely used. More peopel are killed in car accidents than are murdered, is murdur fine? No. Your lack of logic baffels me.Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] It does when the drug makes you infringe on other's rights.Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="Bane_09"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] no sh*t, because coke is illegal therefore much more rarely used. More peopel are killed in car accidents than are murdered, is murdur fine? No. Your lack of logic baffels me.

Toxic-Seahorse

Just because something is illegal does not mean it is rarely used. Why do you think coke dealers make so much money? There's a huge demand for the drug that will exist whether legal or illegal and all that happens with the current system, is the money for the coke gets put in the hands of criminals

No where did I say that?:| I am saying that coke is not some rarely used drug like you like to think is. Making something illegal doesn't make it dissapear you fool.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]I want lower rates of cancer in the U.S. I want lower health bills.

Allowing something that doesn't make people any happier that causes those problems just makes society worse.

You need a logic lesson.

TopTierHustler

Coke blows up your heart, ciggarettes cause cancer. In the end, they'll both kill you, and neither benefit humans.

your logic is getting worse btw.

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Such as?

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] It does when the drug makes you infringe on other's rights.Toxic-Seahorse

Acohol can and often does make people violent. How niave are you? Have you ever been to a bar around 2 am?

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="Bane_09"]

Just because something is illegal does not mean it is rarely used. Why do you think coke dealers make so much money? There's a huge demand for the drug that will exist whether legal or illegal and all that happens with the current system, is the money for the coke gets put in the hands of criminals

Bane_09

No where did I say that?:| I am saying that coke is not some rarely used drug like you like to think is. Making something illegal doesn't make it dissapear you fool.

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] False. Murder is illegal because it infringes on other people's rights. Consuming a drug does not inherently infringe on someone's else rights. Toxic-Seahorse

Exactly. There is a difference between infringing on other's rights and consenting. By that logic, if we wanted to ban drugs to protect the people, perhaps we should ban contact sports such as boxing or even football since they do lead to deaths (or at least, an early death).

How many drug related assaults were there in a given year compared to alcohol? You're so sure of yourself you must have some data

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Exactly. There is a difference between infringing on other's rights and consenting. By that logic, if we wanted to ban drugs to protect the people, perhaps we should ban contact sports such as boxing or even football since they do lead to deaths (or at least, an early death).

Bane_09

How many drug related assaults were there in a given year compared to alcohol? You're so sure of yourself you must have some data

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] There are drugs that make people more violent, meaning they are much more likely to lash out against others. Drugs that cause hallucinations can cause people to perceive another human being as a threat and so forth. Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]You mean like alcohol?

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] You agree to play dangerous sports, nobody agrees to getting assaulted by someone under the influence of a drug. Drugs harm others.Toxic-Seahorse

So that's a reason to ban drugs? :?

Potential harm? Don't buy in the false media hype on drug violence. Yes there are violence related to drugs but most of it is due to gang warfare and retribution (customer fails to pay, whatever reason).

By that logic, we should ban alcohol because of its ability to alter the mind and possibly make people violent. We should also ban boxing because it could make the person participating in such a sport violent and prone to hurt people. We should ban guns because it also has the ability to kill people. Everything has a potential to kill.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] Sure. Alcohol is dangerous when not used in moderation. However, a lot of powerful drugs are dangerous no matter what. I've never said alcohol is OK so I'm not sure what your post is trying to prove.Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

So that's a reason to ban drugs? :?

leviathan91

Potential harm? Don't buy in the false media hype on drug violence. Yes there are violence related to drugs but most of it is due to gang warfare and retribution (customer fails to pay, whatever reason).

By that logic, we should ban alcohol because of its ability to alter the mind and possibly make people violent. We should also ban boxing because it could make the person participating in such a sport violent and prone to hurt people. We should ban guns because it also has the ability to kill people. Everything has a potential to kill.

Valid point, but I don't think assuming all the use is going to be in-private is a smart idea.Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]So what makes you think these other drugs wouldn't be dangerous in moderation? Heroin and cocaine users do that crap in private. The only drug that's used socially like that is ectasy and that does the opposite of making someone violent.l4dak47

Is alcohol not a drug? Where did I state alcohol should be legal? You're arguing against something I never said. Even then, the statistic is irrelevant because alcohol is legal while harmful drugs like coke are not, making it much more abundant and widely used.

Toxic-Seahorse

Alcohol is usually not counted as a drug in statitistics. And no you moron the statistic wouldn't be irrelevant, do you know how statistics work? they can compare rates, criminal rates usually go by rate per 100,000 people so yes the two could be compared. You sound like you're just kid who has done no research of your own on the subject and are just spitting up what you heard someone else say

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] Is it not? Isn't the potential harm of innocent civilians enough to ban a substance?Toxic-Seahorse

Potential harm? Don't buy in the false media hype on drug violence. Yes there are violence related to drugs but most of it is due to gang warfare and retribution (customer fails to pay, whatever reason).

By that logic, we should ban alcohol because of its ability to alter the mind and possibly make people violent. We should also ban boxing because it could make the person participating in such a sport violent and prone to hurt people. We should ban guns because it also has the ability to kill people. Everything has a potential to kill.

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]Valid point, but I don't think assuming all the use is going to be in-private is a smart idea.Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Potential harm? Don't buy in the false media hype on drug violence. Yes there are violence related to drugs but most of it is due to gang warfare and retribution (customer fails to pay, whatever reason).

By that logic, we should ban alcohol because of its ability to alter the mind and possibly make people violent. We should also ban boxing because it could make the person participating in such a sport violent and prone to hurt people. We should ban guns because it also has the ability to kill people. Everything has a potential to kill.

l4dak47

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] Is it not? Isn't the potential harm of innocent civilians enough to ban a substance?Toxic-Seahorse

Potential harm? Don't buy in the false media hype on drug violence. Yes there are violence related to drugs but most of it is due to gang warfare and retribution (customer fails to pay, whatever reason).

By that logic, we should ban alcohol because of its ability to alter the mind and possibly make people violent. We should also ban boxing because it could make the person participating in such a sport violent and prone to hurt people. We should ban guns because it also has the ability to kill people. Everything has a potential to kill.

Again media hype. Don't buy into it. Drugs alter the mind but by no means does it mean it should be illegal nor will it always lead to a violent crime.

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Potential harm? Don't buy in the false media hype on drug violence. Yes there are violence related to drugs but most of it is due to gang warfare and retribution (customer fails to pay, whatever reason).

By that logic, we should ban alcohol because of its ability to alter the mind and possibly make people violent. We should also ban boxing because it could make the person participating in such a sport violent and prone to hurt people. We should ban guns because it also has the ability to kill people. Everything has a potential to kill.

leviathan91

Again media hype. Don't buy into it. Drugs alter the mind but by no means does it mean it should be illegal nor will it always lead to a violent crime.

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]Valid point, but I don't think assuming all the use is going to be in-private is a smart idea.Toxic-Seahorse

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]Valid point, but I don't think assuming all the use is going to be in-private is a smart idea.Toxic-Seahorse

Keep in mind, I'm not for the idea of legalizing stuff like heroin and cocaine.

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Of course, just like it's not a smart idea to assume all drinkers won't drive.

Aljosa23

Keep in mind, I'm not for the idea of legalizing stuff like heroin and cocaine.

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Of course, just like it's not a smart idea to assume all drinkers won't drive.

l4dak47

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="l4dak47"] What makes them more dangerous/hardcore? l4dak47

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] You can't be serious..... Aljosa23

Huh. I guessed my government lied to me(what a surprise!) as they claimed that nicotine is as addictive as crack or heroin. l4dak47

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Huh. I guessed my government lied to me(what a surprise!) as they claimed that nicotine is as addictive as crack or heroin. Aljosa23

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] Yep, but you seem to be forgetting that with a gun and boxing skill, the person's mind is still intact to think about using them. Drugs take over your mind and you will do things you wouldn't normally do, making it much more harmful. Toxic-Seahorse

Again media hype. Don't buy into it. Drugs alter the mind but by no means does it mean it should be illegal nor will it always lead to a violent crime.

You talk about potential but you don't realize what would happen next. EVERYTHING has a potential to alter the mind, EVERYTHING can potentially lead a person to a criminal act. Doesn't matter what it is.

A potential of something doesn't mean it should be illegal. What may or may not happen can't be regulated by the United States government because it will still happen, and the potential of what may happen will still happen.

You're arguing that drugs should be illegal of the potential of crime but guess what? We tried prohibition back in the 20s and it led to more crime. This drug war is a failure beyond all comphresenion, money is being wasted, it's tearing apart neighborhoods, and it's sending nonviolent offenders to jail for smoking a joint.

What may or may not happen as a reason for making drugs illegal isn't a good reason. Everything has a potential to harm a person.

Nicotine is nice. Underrated imo, but w/e. I agree with your statement, though. l4dak47

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]

Again media hype. Don't buy into it. Drugs alter the mind but by no means does it mean it should be illegal nor will it always lead to a violent crime.

leviathan91

You talk about potential but you don't realize what would happen next. EVERYTHING has a potential to alter the mind, EVERYTHING can potentially lead a person to a criminal act. Doesn't matter what it is.

A potential of something doesn't mean it should be illegal. What may or may not happen can't be regulated by the United States government because it will still happen, and the potential of what may happen will still happen.

You're arguing that drugs should be illegal of the potential of crime but guess what? We tried prohibition back in the 20s and it led to more crime. This drug war is a failure beyond all comphresenion, money is being wasted, it's tearing apart neighborhoods, and it's sending nonviolent offenders to jail for smoking a joint.

What may or may not happen as a reason for making drugs illegal isn't a good reason. Everything has a potential to harm a person.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"]Nicotine is nice. Underrated imo, but w/e. I agree with your statement, though. Aljosa23

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Coke causes cancer? News to me. Fyi, just about every damn thing causes cancer, so if you want to lower cancer rates/health bills, then you need to kill off everybody. l4dak47

Coke blows up your heart, ciggarettes cause cancer. In the end, they'll both kill you, and neither benefit humans.

your logic is getting worse btw.

Why encourage it? and if you really think like that, I imagine your life is pretty awful.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]I didn't say that.

Coke blows up your heart, ciggarettes cause cancer. In the end, they'll both kill you, and neither benefit humans.

your logic is getting worse btw.

TopTierHustler

Why encourage it? and if you really think like that, I imagine your life is pretty awful.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Fast food kills you. Soda kills you. Living kills you. In the end, we're all dead. l4dak47

Why encourage it? and if you really think like that, I imagine your life is pretty awful.

Yes.

It's pathetic.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]and drugs make life while we're here.

Why encourage it? and if you really think like that, I imagine your life is pretty awful.

TopTierHustler

Yes.

It's pathetic.

[QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]

[QUOTE="l4dak47"] Wat? So, because I choose to consume drugs that expand my mind and helps me to question life/society/government, that's a sad life? l4dak47

Yes.

It's pathetic.

That's really really sad. I don't think I'm gonna continue to argue with you anymore because you obviously already have a laundry list of problems and don't need another.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]If you're serious.

Yes.

It's pathetic.

TopTierHustler

That's really really sad. I don't think I'm gonna continue to argue with you anymore because you obviously already have a laundry list of problems and don't need another.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="TopTierHustler"]I didn't say that.

Coke blows up your heart, ciggarettes cause cancer. In the end, they'll both kill you, and neither benefit humans.

your logic is getting worse btw.

TopTierHustler

Why encourage it? and if you really think like that, I imagine your life is pretty awful.

Making drugs legal might actually make it unpopular. LINK

I've never done any illegal drugs. I've drank alcohol but never became an alcoholic. I've smoked a cigar once, I wasn't addicted. But I see no reason to why the drugs that are illegal should stay that way when it can be decriminalized and regulated. Yeah, those curious enough will try it out, that's a guarantee, but a first try won't automatically make you an addict, nor will it lead to higher crime.

For me, it's a matter of practicality and reasoning - Why send non-violent offenders to jail for smoking a joint or doing heroin? Why are we allowing SWAT teams to bust into a house over some joint? Why are we spending so much on the drug war when its result only led to overcrowding in jail and an encroachment on our civil liberties?

The Drug War is impractical and unreasonable.