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You need to work on your basic English skills ...... arguement.
Could not resist, sorry.[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Being from Northern Ireland, how do you feel about the Orange walks or "parades" where protestants march through the streets of NI, straight through historically Catholic areas? michaelP4I'm honestly not sure what to think of those. I would be culturally a Protestant, and I have never seen the point of Orange Men Parades. I think as long as they are done for the right reasons, one being is to have a good time (as most people seem to think of them that way), I don't see a problem with them. I do know however, that some people do participate in them to cause trouble, which I disagree with, but the majority of people who take part in them really just want to have a good time. Gay Pride parades however, do still have a meaning and something to celebrate though. Orange Men Parades have been in decline in participants, and I personally think they have little meaning, other than just a way of people in Northern Ireland to have a good time. I didn't realise they're losing popularity so much - that's a good thing AFAIC. To me they're both unnecessary forms of incitement, which cause more polarisation of opinion than peace. I don't think that people should feel that they're having a sexual-type which has so long been held in contention shoved in their faces. I totally agree with most posters in this thread that acceptance is crucial but these events just seems like divisive gloating.
[QUOTE="SirWander"]
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]Read all of my posts here. >_____>
Teenaged
OK. So the homos are suppressed, mocked, and shunned by the society in which they live. In order to rebel, they host parades to prove that it's nothing to be ashamed of, and to flaunt it and taunt their cruel torturers. It is also used to help closet gays in coming out.
They may have been wrongfully persecuted, and the parade signifies that they are not going to tolerate such treatment. But it's still just a celebration based on their sexual preference, a preference that oddly enough people still fear.
Well the fact that you find such reaction weird does not make it wrong.The reaction is similar to this: your girlfriend dumps you, and you (after a lot of struggle to deal with it) try to get over it and for many reasons you want to sing a song called "I am through with you baby". Can you see the analogy?
You singing this song helps you move on and also (if you call her to say it in her face) you make sure your girlfriend gets the message and she will stop thinking as if you were in the wrong.
Thats the closest analogy I could find. :/
By wrongfully persecuted I meant that gays were being harassed for no good reason.
I think I understand what you are trying "say." That the parade just is a catalyst for them to freely express themselves. That their preference is not something "wrong" but natural, and that majority of heteros view them as something broken and not for the human beings that they are.
thats reading to much into it isnt it. you went on the idea that you were right and anyone eles that said anything diffrent were wrong it was people alittle like you which could have been said to have caused the whole repression of the homosexual public... see i can twist things to[QUOTE="shoemen22"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]So homosexuals shouldnt be accepted?
STurn21
You need to work on your basic English skills before trying to get into an arguement.
English isn't Teenaged first language. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't have known that if he didn't explicitly state that.[QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Being from Northern Ireland, how do you feel about the Orange walks or "parades" where protestants march through the streets of NI, straight through historically Catholic areas? michaelP4I'm honestly not sure what to think of those. I would be culturally a Protestant, and I have never seen the point of Orange Men Parades. I think as long as they are done for the right reasons, one being is to have a good time (as most people seem to think of them that way), I don't see a problem with them. I do know however, that some people do participate in them to cause trouble, which I disagree with, but the majority of people who take part in them really just want to have a good time. Gay Pride parades however, do still have a meaning and something to celebrate though. Orange Men Parades have been in decline in participants, and I personally think they have little meaning, other than just a way of people in Northern Ireland to have a good time. Orangemen parades are not for fun, they are to celebrate William of oranges victory over Rebels in Ireland. The marches symbolise the routes he led his forces down. So when they march through a Catholic area with a nationalist community that is were they become offence. Orangemen have there right to march but i believe that they need to compromise and avoid catholic communities unless they allow them to.
[QUOTE="super_mario_128"][QUOTE="STurn21"]
You need to work on your basic English skills ...... arguement.
Could not resist, sorry.The addition of a single letter now = the complete butchery of the English language?
Sorry, try harder next time.
I did not claim you completely butchered the English language. Don't put words in my mouth.Well the fact that you find such reaction weird does not make it wrong.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
[QUOTE="SirWander"]
OK. So the homos are suppressed, mocked, and shunned by the society in which they live. In order to rebel, they host parades to prove that it's nothing to be ashamed of, and to flaunt it and taunt their cruel torturers. It is also used to help closet gays in coming out.
They may have been wrongfully persecuted, and the parade signifies that they are not going to tolerate such treatment. But it's still just a celebration based on their sexual preference, a preference that oddly enough people still fear.
SirWander
The reaction is similar to this: your girlfriend dumps you, and you (after a lot of struggle to deal with it) try to get over it and for many reasons you want to sing a song called "I am through with you baby". Can you see the analogy?
You singing this song helps you move on and also (if you call her to say it in her face) you make sure your girlfriend gets the message and she will stop thinking as if you were in the wrong.
Thats the closest analogy I could find. :/
By wrongfully persecuted I meant that gays were being harassed for no good reason.
I think I understand what you are trying "say." That the parade just is a catalyst for them to freely express themselves. That their preference is not something "wrong" but natural, and that majority of heteros view them as something broken and not for the human beings that they are.
Yeah I understand what you mean. I didnt disagree with that comment. I was just referring to the fact that when we are weirded out by the (re)actions of some people we should first check the reasons why they (re)act like that and I am glad my analogy was helpful in this.Oh and the poll options are stupid.
I would one that says:
Heterosexuals are allowed to have a pride but there would be no actual cause behind it and that renders it redundant.
Teenaged
I thought the same thing too. What would happen at Heterosexual Pride anyway?
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
Oh and the poll options are stupid.
I would one that says:
Heterosexuals are allowed to have a pride but there would be no actual cause behind it and that renders it redundant.
xxxAdvocatexxx
I thought the same thing too. What would happen at Heterosexual Pride anyway?
Well limited and misinformed poll options are often used to direct any result it has to a certain conclusion.That gay people apply double standards when they dont like it that heterosexuals propose that they will have a pride parade too, or that everyone approves of it which makes it of equal importance to a gay pride parade - both being false.
Nice try TC.
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
Oh and the poll options are stupid.
I would one that says:
Heterosexuals are allowed to have a pride but there would be no actual cause behind it and that renders it redundant.
xxxAdvocatexxx
I thought the same thing too. What would happen at Heterosexual Pride anyway?
We wave at gay people? Wave a flag that only has one colour?Nothing is stopping heterosexuals but it is sort of like a Black Pride v. White Pride thing. When people think of black pride they think of MLK and people being sprayed with hoses, when people think of white pride they think of jackasses with swastikas on their face..
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
Oh and the poll options are stupid.
I would one that says:
Heterosexuals are allowed to have a pride but there would be no actual cause behind it and that renders it redundant.
I thought the same thing too. What would happen at Heterosexual Pride anyway?
Heterosexual dinner, followed by a heterosexual movie?[QUOTE="xxxAdvocatexxx"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]
Oh and the poll options are stupid.
I would one that says:
Heterosexuals are allowed to have a pride but there would be no actual cause behind it and that renders it redundant.
AirGuitarist87
I thought the same thing too. What would happen at Heterosexual Pride anyway?
We wave at gay people? Wave a flag that only has one colour?You can hold a flag that has the Venus/Aphrodite + Ares symbol. :P[QUOTE="Teenaged"] We'd wear constrictive underwear and [QUOTE="AirGuitarist87"][QUOTE="xxxAdvocatexxx"]
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
Oh and the poll options are stupid.
I would one that says:
Heterosexuals are allowed to have a pride but there would be no actual cause behind it and that renders it redundant.
xxxAdvocatexxx
I thought the same thing too. What would happen at Heterosexual Pride anyway?
We wave at gay people? Wave a flag that only has one colour?In constrictive leather underwear.[QUOTE="michaelP4"][QUOTE="jimmyjammer69"]Being from Northern Ireland, how do you feel about the Orange walks or "parades" where protestants march through the streets of NI, straight through historically Catholic areas? jimmyjammer69I'm honestly not sure what to think of those. I would be culturally a Protestant, and I have never seen the point of Orange Men Parades. I think as long as they are done for the right reasons, one being is to have a good time (as most people seem to think of them that way), I don't see a problem with them. I do know however, that some people do participate in them to cause trouble, which I disagree with, but the majority of people who take part in them really just want to have a good time. Gay Pride parades however, do still have a meaning and something to celebrate though. Orange Men Parades have been in decline in participants, and I personally think they have little meaning, other than just a way of people in Northern Ireland to have a good time. I didn't realise they're losing popularity so much - that's a good thing AFAIC. To me they're both unnecessary forms of incitement, which cause more polarisation of opinion than peace. I don't think that people should feel that they're having a sexual-type which has so long been held in contention shoved in their faces. I totally agree with most posters in this thread that acceptance is crucial but these events just seems like divisive gloating. The parades only happen once a year though, and to me at least, they show that the right to freedom of expression is still a value that is held on to, something that Northern Ireland used to struggle with during The Troubles, when people were being killed for simply being a Catholic or Protestant. While I'm not really interested in Orange Men parades, I do still think they should happen if other people want them to, alike with Gay Pride parades. It's not as if they happen everyday, and it isn't much trouble to simply avoid them whenever they do happen.
if thier proud its thier biss, personaly in my exp ive found people who usualy come out with "im proud too be" to be quite prejudice and like to shove it down peoples necks, that goes for all types of pride, i know not everyone is like that but once you get too egotistical about your "pride"people arent gonna have a good view of you, but i feel people who go on about it say it to justify thier self
When you are faced with persecution or generally what you are is not seen as something nice and acceptable its a common and reasonable reaction to flaunt it about. And its justified because the persecution is not justified.if thier proud its thier biss, personaly in my exp ive found people who usualy come out with "im proud too be" to be quite prejudice and like to shove it down peoples necks, that goes for all types of pride, i know not everyone is like that but once you get too egotistical about your "pride"people arent gonna have a good view of you, but i feel people who go on about it say it to justify thier self
tastetheacidmil
I dont think you understand the purpose of these pride events for homose xuals. They are usually hated amongst people; so that is why they march showing their pride. No one hates hetro so why bother marching?Dr_Brocolialot of gays etc hate on hetros actually but no one batters an eye lid about that
[QUOTE="Dr_Brocoli"]I dont think you understand the purpose of these pride events for homose xuals. They are usually hated amongst people; so that is why they march showing their pride. No one hates hetro so why bother marching?tastetheacidmilalot of gays etc hate on hetros actually but no one batters an eye lid about thatThe example of just a few homosexuals having a spite against heterosexuals does not counter millenia of persecution against homosexuals. ;)
On the other hand, having a spite against your persecutor is another justified reaction. Surely far from being the best reaction but its an expectable one.
[QUOTE="Dr_Brocoli"]I dont think you understand the purpose of these pride events for homose xuals. They are usually hated amongst people; so that is why they march showing their pride. No one hates hetro so why bother marching?tastetheacidmilalot of gays etc hate on hetros actually but no one batters an eye lid about that
I'm sorry... Are you accusing homosexual of being heterophobic? :o
Cause I have a confession to make. We are afraid of the snoo snoo, but we don't discriminate by the snoo snoo.
alot of gays etc hate on hetros actually but no one batters an eye lid about that[QUOTE="tastetheacidmil"][QUOTE="Dr_Brocoli"]I dont think you understand the purpose of these pride events for homose xuals. They are usually hated amongst people; so that is why they march showing their pride. No one hates hetro so why bother marching?xxxAdvocatexxx
I'm sorry... Are you accusing homosexual of being heterophobic? :o
Cause I have a confession to make. We are afraid of the snoo snoo, but we don't discriminate by the snoo snoo.
im saying ive seen alot of gay people be nasty and spitefull towards heterosalot of gays etc hate on hetros actually but no one batters an eye lid about that[QUOTE="tastetheacidmil"][QUOTE="Dr_Brocoli"]I dont think you understand the purpose of these pride events for homose xuals. They are usually hated amongst people; so that is why they march showing their pride. No one hates hetro so why bother marching?xxxAdvocatexxx
I'm sorry... Are you accusing homosexual of being heterophobic? :o
Cause I have a confession to make. We are afraid of the snoo snoo, but we don't discriminate by the snoo snoo.
Whats a snoo snoo? :/I have heard of it before but...
[QUOTE="xxxAdvocatexxx"][QUOTE="tastetheacidmil"] alot of gays etc hate on hetros actually but no one batters an eye lid about thattastetheacidmil
I'm sorry... Are you accusing homosexual of being heterophobic? :o
Cause I have a confession to make. We are afraid of the snoo snoo, but we don't discriminate by the snoo snoo.
im saying ive seen alot of gay people be nasty and spitefull towards heterosAlready explained that.alot of gays etc hate on hetros actually but no one batters an eye lid about thatThe example of just a few homosexuals having a spite against heterosexuals does not counter millenia of persecution against homosexuals. ;)[QUOTE="tastetheacidmil"][QUOTE="Dr_Brocoli"]I dont think you understand the purpose of these pride events for homose xuals. They are usually hated amongst people; so that is why they march showing their pride. No one hates hetro so why bother marching?Teenaged
On the other hand, having a spite against your persecutor is another justified reaction. Surely far from being the best reaction but its an expectable one.
It isn't merely the heterosexual community at large which is 'persecuting' them. It is, more specifically, religious fundamentalists.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]The example of just a few homosexuals having a spite against heterosexuals does not counter millenia of persecution against homosexuals. ;)[QUOTE="tastetheacidmil"] alot of gays etc hate on hetros actually but no one batters an eye lid about thatVandalvideo
On the other hand, having a spite against your persecutor is another justified reaction. Surely far from being the best reaction but its an expectable one.
It isn't merely the heterosexual community at large which is 'persecuting' them. It is, more specifically, religious fundamentalists.I know a lot of people who although not religious extremists (pracitcally all of them have premarital sex, dont fast etc etc - you could say they are in the least religious), think that gays are disgusting and are angry when they claim something.I dont think this is only my observation.
Because heterosexuals having a pride parade is just stupid, homosexual parades are about not being ashamed anymore and not hiding and trying to deny who they are, about overcoming the discrimination they've faced and coming together and not feeling alone.
It's also about making their presence know and fighting for equal rights and social acceptance.
There is no need for a heterosexual parade.
think that gays are disgusting and are angry when they claim something.TeenagedIt is a far step from both; A) To generalize from your possibly unrepresentative sample and B) To go from apprehension to persecution.
Whats a snoo snoo? :/
I have heard of it before but...
Teenaged
Watch the Futurama episode with the Amazonians.
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]think that gays are disgusting and are angry when they claim something.VandalvideoIt is a far step from both; A) To generalize from your possibly unrepresentative sample and B) To go from apprehension to persecution.Ah sorry. I gave the wrong explanation.
When I mentioned heterosexuals I meant it in the same way a pissed of homosexual would see it: he/she would see in every heterosexual a glimpse of the persecution that he is facing.
And like I already said, its far from the best reaction but its to be expected.
: he/she would see in every heterosexual a glimpse of the persecution that he is facing.TeenagedAnd I think that is an illogical reaction. That is just as jaded as the radical fundamentalists in their generalizations. A homosexual ought not blame straight people.
[QUOTE="chathuranga"]
[QUOTE="Teenaged"]
Whats a snoo snoo? :/
I have heard of it before but...
Teenaged
Watch the Futurama episode with the Amazonians.
I dont watch futurama. Its not broadcasted here. Snoo snoo means sex.[QUOTE="Teenaged"]: he/she would see in every heterosexual a glimpse of the persecution that he is facing.VandalvideoAnd I think that is an illogical reaction. That is just as jaded as the radical fundamentalists in their generalizations. A homosexual ought not blame straight people.I never said its the right reaction. Did I? I just said its expectable. Misguided yes, but still expectable. Expectable but also something that of course ought to be changed.
And of course what I could describe in just a few words is the extreme case. There is the case of course where a homosexual may have this impulsive reaction but because he/she is logical he/she doesnt let it get to him/her. And I think that there are too few extreme cases.
Snoo snoo means sex.:o Ah ok. Also get futurama on DVD nao![QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I dont watch futurama. Its not broadcasted here.
Teenaged
Snoo snoo means sex.:o Ah ok.[QUOTE="bean-with-bacon"][QUOTE="Teenaged"]I dont watch futurama. Its not broadcasted here.
Teenaged
The spirit is willing but the flesh is spongy.
[QUOTE="STurn21"][QUOTE="shoemen22"] thats reading to much into it isnt it. you went on the idea that you were right and anyone eles that said anything diffrent were wrong it was people alittle like you which could have been said to have caused the whole repression of the homosexual public... see i can twist things toAirGuitarist87
You need to work on your basic English skills before trying to get into an arguement.
English isn't Teenaged first language. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't have known that if he didn't explicitly state that.So his post was directed at me? :| ....... :xPlease Log In to post.
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