half of Saudi women are beaten at home, desert people are less violent

Can we be critical of is eras while also being supportive of some qualities? Critical of both Israel and Arab a countries?dave123321

  QFT.

BossPerson

You're getting nitpicky af right now dude. If anything, Israel provides a perfect model for secular Arabs on how to run a country with LGBT rights.

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Can we be critical of is eras while also being supportive of some qualities? Critical of both Israel and Arab a countries?BossPerson

Another generalization

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

 

:|  Yeah because it worked so well with the Native American population, in which the majority of them died.. And what few are left have been put on fractions of the once vaste land they inhabited..  "Civilizing" uncivilized societies has created some of the worse atrocities in human history.

kingkong0124

What makes you think that it's a bad thing? Solely because how it worked with the Native Americans? Really? You're going to take a small portion of history and then use it to generalize the effects of a broad concept? Government has also caused some of the worst atrocities in human history - doesn't mean it can't be a good thing.

:|  Small portions? It is the greatest example of civilizations trying to "civilize" others.. If you don't like that one, we can start in Africa's colorful history.. Or Rome's "colorful" history in trying to civilize their northern neighbors....  The road to hell is paved in good intentions.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]kingkong0124

You're getting nitpicky af right now dude. If anything, Israel provides a perfect model for secular Arabs on how to run a country with LGBT rights.

Can we be critical of is eras while also being supportive of some qualities? Critical of both Israel and Arab a countries?dave123321

You can be whatever you want, that's your right in this country.

Disagreeing with certain policies of Israel is one thing, hating it is another. And unfortunately many hardline left-wingers do the latter. If you want the middle east to become a better place you must support Israel, it is the only nation in that part of the world that has the power to do it. The arabs should look at Israel's example and follow it, become a democracy like them. And liberals should stop being hypocrites and realise that the same country they love to hate on (Israel) is the ONLY country in that part of the world that values the same things that they do.

 

:|  Small portions? It is the greatest example of civilizations trying to "civilize" others.. If you don't like that one, we can start in Africa's colorful history.. Or Rome's "colorful" history in trying to civilize their northern neighbors....  The road to hell is paved in good intentions.

sSubZerOo

Doesn't matter. Once again, you are generalizing. Government has killed hundreds of millions of people. Doesn't mean that government can't do good.

BossPerson

I'll quote how I want.

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Can we be critical of is eras while also being supportive of some qualities? Critical of both Israel and Arab a countries?ShadowMoses900

You can be whatever you want, that's your right in this country.

Disagreeing with certain policies of Israel is one thing, hating it is another. And unfortunately many hardline left-wingers do the latter. If you want the middle east to become a better place you must support Israel, it is the only nation in that part of the world that has the power to do it. The arabs should look at Israel's example and follow it, become a democracy like them. And liberals should stop being hypocrites and realise that the same country they love to hate on (Israel) is the ONLY country in that part of the world that values the same things that they do.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]kingkong0124

I'll quote how I want.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]i dont know why im trying.... but how is Israel promoting freedom in the region? BossPerson

No point in answering a question to man who chooses to plug his own ears to ignore it.

Don't ask questions if you don't want to hear the answer.

It's not Israel's fault the arab countries don't want to listen. If, instead of them trying to bomb Israel all the time then maybe Israel can help them become democracies.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

No point in answering a question to man who chooses to plug his own ears to ignore it.

Don't ask questions if you don't want to hear the answer.

ShadowMoses900

It's not Israel's fault the arab countries don't want to listen. If, instead of them trying to bomb Israel all the time then maybe Israel can help them become democracies.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]kingkong0124

I'll quote how I want.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="dave123321"]Can we be critical of is eras while also being supportive of some qualities? Critical of both Israel and Arab a countries?DroidPhysX

You can be whatever you want, that's your right in this country.

Disagreeing with certain policies of Israel is one thing, hating it is another. And unfortunately many hardline left-wingers do the latter. If you want the middle east to become a better place you must support Israel, it is the only nation in that part of the world that has the power to do it. The arabs should look at Israel's example and follow it, become a democracy like them. And liberals should stop being hypocrites and realise that the same country they love to hate on (Israel) is the ONLY country in that part of the world that values the same things that they do.

Yes posting more meme's again. Just says you have no good argument, really you don't even try to think for yourself around here.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

You can be whatever you want, that's your right in this country.

Disagreeing with certain policies of Israel is one thing, hating it is another. And unfortunately many hardline left-wingers do the latter. If you want the middle east to become a better place you must support Israel, it is the only nation in that part of the world that has the power to do it. The arabs should look at Israel's example and follow it, become a democracy like them. And liberals should stop being hypocrites and realise that the same country they love to hate on (Israel) is the ONLY country in that part of the world that values the same things that they do.

ShadowMoses900

Yes posting more meme's again. Just says you have no good argument, really you don't even try to think for yourself around here.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]im all ears. how does Israel promote freedom OUTSIDE of Israel?BossPerson

It's not Israel's fault the arab countries don't want to listen. If, instead of them trying to bomb Israel all the time then maybe Israel can help them become democracies.

Like I said, no point in answering a question to man who chooses to be deaf to the truth.

[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

It's not Israel's fault the arab countries don't want to listen. If, instead of them trying to bomb Israel all the time then maybe Israel can help them become democracies.

ShadowMoses900

Like I said, no point in answering a question to man who chooses to be deaf to the truth.

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

 

:|  Small portions? It is the greatest example of civilizations trying to "civilize" others.. If you don't like that one, we can start in Africa's colorful history.. Or Rome's "colorful" history in trying to civilize their northern neighbors....  The road to hell is paved in good intentions.

kingkong0124

Doesn't matter. Once again, you are generalizing. Government has killed hundreds of millions of people. Doesn't mean that government can't do good.

          That is not a SOUND comparison because we aren't arguing that the government is always good and above reproach.. BUT YOU are argueing that a country that is superior in civil rights and freedoms some how gives them the excuse to do what ever they want to their lesser neighbors with out criticism.. 

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

 

DroidPhysX

Yes posting more meme's again. Just says you have no good argument, really you don't even try to think for yourself around here.

There's no such thing as "blind israeli trust". fact is this: Israel is the strongest, most stable, and most civilized ally in the entire region. It is in America's best interest and humanity's best interest to continue supporting them. Case closed.

BUT YOU are argueing that a country that is superior in civil rights and freedoms some how gives them the excuse to do what ever they want to their lesser neighbors with out criticism.. 

sSubZerOo

No I'm not. All I said was the civilizing uncivilized countries is not always a bad thing and it can often be a good thing.

There's no such thing as "blind israeli trust". kingkong0124

man,  whenever israel comes up shadow and kk go from likeable to friggen dumb@sses 

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

I'll quote how I want.

BossPerson

You were supposed to leave those insults back in middle school dude

Kk, please call out shadow if you see him generalizing like boss person and he like to do.dave123321

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

BUT YOU are argueing that a country that is superior in civil rights and freedoms some how gives them the excuse to do what ever they want to their lesser neighbors with out criticism.. 

kingkong0124

No I'm not. All I said was the civilizing uncivilized countries is not always a bad thing and it can often be a good thing.

:|  And I will point out to you that claiming who is uncivilized is extremely subjective..  And this very rhetoric is dangerous because it is the exact reasoning that has led to countless atrocities through out history.. 

man,  whenever israel comes up shadow and kk go from likeable to friggen dumb@sses 

BossPerson

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]There's no such thing as "blind israeli trust". DroidPhysX

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]There's no such thing as "blind israeli trust". kingkong0124

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

BUT YOU are argueing that a country that is superior in civil rights and freedoms some how gives them the excuse to do what ever they want to their lesser neighbors with out criticism.. 

sSubZerOo

No I'm not. All I said was the civilizing uncivilized countries is not always a bad thing and it can often be a good thing.

:|  And I will point out to you that claiming who is uncivilized is extremely subjective..  And this very rhetoric is dangerous because it is the exact reasoning that has led to countless atrocities through out history.. 

Treating women poorly is uncivilized dude, like it or not. Also certain cultures are superior to others - no two cultures are created equal. 

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Of course there is. Have you met the neoconservative wing of the Republican Party?DroidPhysX

We also give a lot of funding to Pakistan and other ME countries..why aren't you complaining about them? Israel just uses their money better. And they're civilized not b/c of money, but because of their values.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Okay. Israel is the most stable, powerful, loyal, and civilized ally in the region. I guess I can see why they would have "blind trust" BossPerson

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Okay. Israel is the most stable, powerful, loyal, and civilized ally in the region. I guess I can see why they would have "blind trust" kingkong0124

We also give a lot of funding to Pakistan and other ME countries..why aren't you complaining about them? Israel just uses their money better. And they're civilized not b/c of money, but because of their values.

Ahhh,let's be real most women have been beaten or slapped at least once by their partner at some point Bucked20

You are also a disgusting human being. Man, you're going for the trifecta.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] They're powerful because we give them weapons and unlimited funding, they're loyal because we give them weapons and unlimited funding and they're "civilized ally" because we give them weapons and unlimited funding.DroidPhysX

We also give a lot of funding to Pakistan and other ME countries..why aren't you complaining about them? Israel just uses their money better. And they're civilized not b/c of money, but because of their values.

ME countries don't use their funding to help the United States.....Israel does. That's the difference. One is money well-spent and the other is a thief.

[QUOTE="Bucked20"]Ahhh,let's be real most women have been beaten or slapped at least once by their partner at some point airshocker

You are also a disgusting human being. Man, you're going for the trifecta.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

We also give a lot of funding to Pakistan and other ME countries..why aren't you complaining about them? Israel just uses their money better. And they're civilized not b/c of money, but because of their values.

kingkong0124

ME countries don't use their funding to help the United States.....Israel does. That's the difference. One is money well-spent and the other is a thief.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

 

DroidPhysX

Yes posting more meme's again. Just says you have no good argument, really you don't even try to think for yourself around here.

Who said anything about "blind israeli trust"? Even I have disagreements with them. It has nothing to do with blind patriotism, it has to do with knowing what country is in the right, and that country is Israel. Go to the middle east and see for yourself, go to an arab country, you'll be BEGGING to go to Israel in 5 minutes.

I recently came back from Israel and was living on a Kibbutz, dude there is a TERRORIST attack EVERY SINGLE DAY. Or at least one that is attempted, every day imagine waking up and feeling that your country could be hit by an attack? At the kibbutz I stayed at I met a woman whose grandson was hit by a missile, and he was only a child. Do you know how that would feel?

Yes Israel may make mistakes, but so do we and many other countries. And we have every right (and should) speak out against actions we feel are unjust. But that does NOT make those countries "bad" or "evil", and many of it's values ARE good ones. In Israel people enjoy all the same rights we do here, they even let gays serve openly in the military.

Go to an arab country and see what happens there. So many leftists have some vile hate with Israel, they blame it for everything, and quite frankly seem to just be borderline anti-semites. But in the end if they actually see that part of the world for themselves they will agree with me.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] Okay. Israel is the most stable, powerful, loyal, and civilized ally in the region. I guess I can see why they would have "blind trust" kingkong0124

We also give a lot of funding to Pakistan and other ME countries..why aren't you complaining about them? Israel just uses their money better. And they're civilized not b/c of money, but because of their values.

^^This^^

+1!

Israel deserves all the support we give it. More countries should do the same.

Religion of peace, equality and non-violence.Zeviander

I know what you're trying to imply, but I know some Muslims who actually DO follow all the above. Don't generalise so much.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Yes posting more meme's again. Just says you have no good argument, really you don't even try to think for yourself around here.

ShadowMoses900

Who said anything about "blind israeli trust"? Even I have disagreements with them. It has nothing to do with blind patriotism, it has to do with knowing what country is in the right, and that country is Israel. Go to the middle east and see for yourself, go to an arab country, you'll be BEGGING to go to Israel in 5 minutes.

I recently came back from Israel and was living on a Kibbutz, dude there is a TERRORIST attack EVERY SINGLE DAY. Or at least one that is attempted, every day imagine waking up and feeling that your country could be hit by an attack? At the kibbutz I stayed at I met a woman whose grandson was hit by a missile, and he was only a child. Do you know how that would feel?

Yes Israel may make mistakes, but so do we and many other countries. And we have every right (and should) speak out against actions we feel are unjust. But that does NOT make those countries "bad" or "evil", and many of it's values ARE good ones. In Israel people enjoy all the same rights we do here, they even let gays serve openly in the military.

Go to an arab country and see what happens there. So many leftists have some vile hate with Israel, they blame it for everything, and quite frankly seem to just be borderline anti-semites. But in the end if they actually see that part of the world for themselves they will agree with me.

Lastly, you think I only hate/dislike Israel when I have said in past posts that both sides are scum.DroidPhysX

Why do you only speak against Israel? If you hate both sides equally, I'd expect you to defend Israel more and support Palestine less than you are right now. Frankly, I don't see it. You say one thing, but your argumentation reflects something completely different.....

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Lastly, you think I only hate/dislike Israel when I have said in past posts that both sides are scum.kingkong0124

Why do you only speak against Israel? If you hate both sides equally, I'd expect you to defend Israel more and support Palestine less than you are right now. Frankly, I don't see it. You say one thing, but your argumentation reflects something completely different.....

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] No, it says how comical blind israeli trust is.DroidPhysX

Who said anything about "blind israeli trust"? Even I have disagreements with them. It has nothing to do with blind patriotism, it has to do with knowing what country is in the right, and that country is Israel. Go to the middle east and see for yourself, go to an arab country, you'll be BEGGING to go to Israel in 5 minutes.

I recently came back from Israel and was living on a Kibbutz, dude there is a TERRORIST attack EVERY SINGLE DAY. Or at least one that is attempted, every day imagine waking up and feeling that your country could be hit by an attack? At the kibbutz I stayed at I met a woman whose grandson was hit by a missile, and he was only a child. Do you know how that would feel?

Yes Israel may make mistakes, but so do we and many other countries. And we have every right (and should) speak out against actions we feel are unjust. But that does NOT make those countries "bad" or "evil", and many of it's values ARE good ones. In Israel people enjoy all the same rights we do here, they even let gays serve openly in the military.

Go to an arab country and see what happens there. So many leftists have some vile hate with Israel, they blame it for everything, and quite frankly seem to just be borderline anti-semites. But in the end if they actually see that part of the world for themselves they will agree with me.

You only want to listen to what you want to hear. No point in "discussing" anything further, if you truly want to understand this you should have an open mind and listen to others or at the very least, visit the middle east it's self.

And as much as I disagree with thee arab countries, I don't think they are scum or bad in the slightest. In fact we are brothers and cousins. There are some really good people that live there, and many of them are desperate for freedom.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Lastly, you think I only hate/dislike Israel when I have said in past posts that both sides are scum.kingkong0124

Why do you only speak against Israel? If you hate both sides equally, I'd expect you to defend Israel more and support Palestine less than you are right now. Frankly, I don't see it. You say one thing, but your argumentation reflects something completely different.....

I think he just pretends to hate Israel because it helps him fit in around here.

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Who said anything about "blind israeli trust"? Even I have disagreements with them. It has nothing to do with blind patriotism, it has to do with knowing what country is in the right, and that country is Israel. Go to the middle east and see for yourself, go to an arab country, you'll be BEGGING to go to Israel in 5 minutes.

I recently came back from Israel and was living on a Kibbutz, dude there is a TERRORIST attack EVERY SINGLE DAY. Or at least one that is attempted, every day imagine waking up and feeling that your country could be hit by an attack? At the kibbutz I stayed at I met a woman whose grandson was hit by a missile, and he was only a child. Do you know how that would feel?

Yes Israel may make mistakes, but so do we and many other countries. And we have every right (and should) speak out against actions we feel are unjust. But that does NOT make those countries "bad" or "evil", and many of it's values ARE good ones. In Israel people enjoy all the same rights we do here, they even let gays serve openly in the military.

Go to an arab country and see what happens there. So many leftists have some vile hate with Israel, they blame it for everything, and quite frankly seem to just be borderline anti-semites. But in the end if they actually see that part of the world for themselves they will agree with me.

ShadowMoses900

You only want to listen to what you want to hear. No point in "discussing" anything further, if you truly want to understand this you should have an open mind and listen to others or at the very least, visit the middle east it's self.

And as much as I disagree with thee arab countries, I don't think they are scum or bad in the slightest. In fact we are brothers and cousins. There are some really good people that live there, and many of them are desperate for freedom.