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#151 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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I'm curious as to whether any of the people in this thread advocating for more gun control have ever actually bought a firearm before.

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#152 Kamekazi_69
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[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="Socialist696"] I don't think those men are the men in question. Clearly..worlock77

Obviously, and other people telling them how, and if they can and can't defend themselves because one nutcase got trigger happy is simply not right.

And where have I done so?

It wasnt directed at you specifically, just the overall thread.
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#153 Socialist696
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[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"] Well I know men who are responsible gun owners. They are Family men, educated men, never been in any legal trouble, and collect weapons. So whats your point?

I don't think those men are the men in question. Clearly..

Obviously, and other people telling them how, and if they can and can't defend themselves because one nutcase got trigger happy is simply not right.

Well either way gun control will never succeed. I'm 110% sure that American gun owners will throw arms up against any government, foreign or domestic, that tried to take away our gun rights...
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#154 Verge_6
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I would suggest regulations on any weapon that can gun down a dozen people in seconds.redstorm72
So any weapon designed since the 1880s, including your father's hunting rifles? This is why I'm harping on you, you're riddling your arguments with inconsistencies and double-standards.
I still don't understand why you have such a stick up your rear about my word usage when it really had nothing to do with what I was saying.redstorm72
The same reason anyone with even a lick of medical knowledge has a stick up their rear about people who think vaccines don't do anything; you're spreading terms and even ideas that are just not solid, consistent, or even in the realm of reality, even if it is unintentional.
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#155 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

no the best possible solution is to give everyone guns because then theyll just shoot at bad guys and stuff

what could go wrong?

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If concealed to carry was allowed in that Colorado town, I'd bet that not as many people would've died.

The only thing more guns would have caused during that fiasco would have been more casualties. The death toll was actually mercifully low, due to the shooter using birdshot in his shotgun and a jam-happy Beta C-mag (which no one with common sense would ever use outside of a firing range) in his AR-15 that gave out within seconds. A Glock being whipped out by a member of the audience would have just caused more misery, and even if hits were landed on the lunatic in the packed theater, he was wearing a considerable about of body armor that would have no issue stopping most CC-friendly rounds.

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#156 redstorm72
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[QUOTE="redstorm72"] I would suggest regulations on any weapon that can gun down a dozen people in seconds.Verge_6
So any weapon designed since the 1880s, including your father's hunting rifles? This is why I'm harping on you, you're riddling your arguments with inconsistencies and double-standards.
I still don't understand why you have such a stick up your rear about my word usage when it really had nothing to do with what I was saying.redstorm72
The same reason anyone with even a lick of medical knowledge has a stick up their rear about people who think vaccines don't do anything; you're spreading terms and even ideas that are just not solid, consistent, or even in the realm of reality, even if it is unintentional.

Yeah, because it is totally feasible to kill a dozen people in quick succesion with a bolt action rifle with a 5 round magazine...

Also, what should I call "assualt weapons/rifles"? You keep saying it is the wrong term for semi automatic high powered rifles, but you haven't told me what the correct one is?

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#157 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Yeah, because it is totally feasible to kill a dozen people in quick succesion with a bolt action rifle with a 5 round magazine...

Also, what should I call "assualt weapons/rifles"? You keep saying it is the wrong term for semi automatic high powered rifles, but you haven't told me what the correct one is?

redstorm72

I see you're using the favorite terms of rabid anti-gun supporters. Terms only meant to scare people.

Tell me, what is your definition of a "high-powered" rifle?

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#158 Socialist696
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Hey hey guys, I just realized something. Guns don't kill people. Bullets do :P
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#159 Socialist696
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[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Yeah, because it is totally feasible to kill a dozen people in quick succesion with a bolt action rifle with a 5 round magazine...

Also, what should I call "assualt weapons/rifles"? You keep saying it is the wrong term for semi automatic high powered rifles, but you haven't told me what the correct one is?

airshocker

I see you're using the favorite terms of rabid anti-gun supporters. Terms only meant to scare people.

Tell me, what is your definition of a "high-powered" rifle?

Watch him say a Barrett obviously lol
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[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Yeah, because it is totally feasible to kill a dozen people in quick succesion with a bolt action rifle with a 5 round magazine...

Also, what should I call "assualt weapons/rifles"? You keep saying it is the wrong term for semi automatic high powered rifles, but you haven't told me what the correct one is?

airshocker

I see you're using the favorite terms of rabid anti-gun supporters. Terms only meant to scare people.

Tell me, what is your definition of a "high-powered" rifle?

Berrett

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#161 Socialist696
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[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="redstorm72"] Why not be a little more creative? Say a Mosin Nagant or something :/

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="redstorm72"]

Yeah, because it is totally feasible to kill a dozen people in quick succesion with a bolt action rifle with a 5 round magazine...

Also, what should I call "assualt weapons/rifles"? You keep saying it is the wrong term for semi automatic high powered rifles, but you haven't told me what the correct one is?

redstorm72

I see you're using the favorite terms of rabid anti-gun supporters. Terms only meant to scare people.

Tell me, what is your definition of a "high-powered" rifle?

Berrett

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#162 Verge_6
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Yeah, because it is totally feasible to kill a dozen people in quick succesion with a bolt action rifle with a 5 round magazine...redstorm72

There are things called "clips" that allow for very easy and fast reloading of bolt-action (and even some semi-automatic) rifles. Yes, they are very capable of killing 12 people in under a minute, and many modern bolt-action rifles employ detachable magazines, making such a feat even easier. Especially when one considers the existence of bolt-actions like the Lee Enfield series (the design over a century old, btw), which has a 10 round magazine and an incredibly fast action.

enfield_el-alamein.jpg

So, yes, your guidelines for what firearms warrant regulation would include almost every weapon under the sun that still sees even moderate use.

Also, what should I call "assualt weapons/rifles"? You keep saying it is the wrong term for semi automatic high powered rifles, but you haven't told me what the correct one is?

redstorm72

What's wrong with just "semiautomatic rifles"? That's precisely what they are. And please, for all that is holy, don't use "high powered", it's as much a political term as "assault weapon". There is the "full powered" designation for rifles chambered in a cartridge that is above an intermediate type (like 5.56 and 7.62x39) that is much more appropriate and actually has a discernible area of coverage.

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#163 Socialist696
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[QUOTE="redstorm72"]Yeah, because it is totally feasible to kill a dozen people in quick succesion with a bolt action rifle with a 5 round magazine...Verge_6


There are things called "clips" that allow for very easy and fast reloading of bolt-action (and even some semi-automatic) rifles. Yes, they are very capable of killing 12 people in under a minute, and many modern bolt-action rifles employ detachable magazines, making such a feat even easier. Especially when one considers the existence of bolt-actions like the Lee Enfield series (the design over a century old, btw), which has a 10 round magazine and an incredibly fast action.

enfield_el-alamein.jpg

So, yes, your guidelines for what firearms warrant regulation would include almost every weapon under the sun that still sees even moderate use.

Also, what should I call "assualt weapons/rifles"? You keep saying it is the wrong term for semi automatic high powered rifles, but you haven't told me what the correct one is?

redstorm72

What's wrong with just "semiautomatic rifles"? That's precisely what they are. And please, for all that is holy, don't use "high powered", it's as much a political term as "assault weapon". There is the "full powered" designation for rifles chambered in a cartridge that is above an intermediate type (like 5.56 and 7.62x39) that is much more appropriate and actually has a discernible area of coverage.

I like the Garands too. Great rifles. You can also consider the fact that back in the day, Repeaters had large amounts of ammo so the age of mass killing potential for guns isn't anything new at all.
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#164 Socialist696
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And also, the last thing I'd take into a gunfight is a Barret. The recoil is too much, I'd rather have something like a .308 over a .50.
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#165 Verge_6
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[QUOTE="Socialist696"] I like the Garands too. Great rifles. You can also consider the fact that back in the day, Repeaters had large amounts of ammo so the age of mass killing potential for guns isn't anything new at all.

The Garand would fall under the semi-automatic category, though. It is a blast to shoot though, I only wish 30-06 wasn't so pricey. My Enfield doesn't see much use due to .303 being about $1 a pop.
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#166 Socialist696
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[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="Socialist696"] I like the Garands too. Great rifles. You can also consider the fact that back in the day, Repeaters had large amounts of ammo so the age of mass killing potential for guns isn't anything new at all.

The Garand would fall under the semi-automatic category, though. It is a blast to shoot though, I only wish 30-06 wasn't so pricey. My Enfield doesn't see much use due to .303 being about $1 a pop.

I've had a blast too with the M21 garand (my father has one from his time in the marine corp during the 70s). Don't really have as much time for guns as I used to before I worked and ever since I moved into the city though which sucks.
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#167 hoola
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We should have strict anti-gun laws just like Mexico.

Actually, I have a better idea. How about we throw everyone in a cage at birth to protect them from the evils in the world. There would sure be a heck of a lot less murders that way.

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#168 Slayer_of_Bugs
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Hey hey guys, I just realized something. Guns don't kill people. Bullets do :PSocialist696
We should just make bullets illegal.
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#169 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="Socialist696"]Hey hey guys, I just realized something. Guns don't kill people. Bullets do :PSlayer_of_Bugs
We should just make bullets illegal.

We should make bullets cost $5000 each.
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#170 Slayer_of_Bugs
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I wonder what these pro-regulation people think of fast and furious and Obama calling executive privilege.
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#171 redstorm72
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I wonder what these pro-regulation people think of fast and furious and Obama calling executive privilege. Slayer_of_Bugs

I thought Fast and Furious was one of the weaker movies in the series, Fast 5 was much better.

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#172 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="Slayer_of_Bugs"]yeah if I was in that theater I would have preferred that someone or myself had a gun and was shooting back at him rather than sitting there helplessly.Slayer_of_Bugs

Wouldn't you be happier if he didn't have the guns in the first place?

Sure but I don't think that's realistic

Only because of people with your mind set.

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#174 konvikt_17
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[QUOTE="Slayer_of_Bugs"][QUOTE="Socialist696"]Hey hey guys, I just realized something. Guns don't kill people. Bullets do :PFightingfan
We should just make bullets illegal.

We should make bullets cost $5000 each.

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#175 Kamekazi_69
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[QUOTE="Slayer_of_Bugs"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

Wouldn't you be happier if he didn't have the guns in the first place?

tenaka2

Sure but I don't think that's realistic

Only because of people with your mind set.

I believe its common sense. Humans are capable of kindness as equal to cruelty. As long as we're human there will always be room for a psychopath, or Tyrant who wishes to instill reign through sole power, or harm onto our fellow men and women. They will find a way regardless