Fast food workers go on strike

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#251 Posted by Yusuke420 (2770 posts) -

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I also try to avoid low quailty food places whenever I can because I know the workers don't really want to be there and it's just a paycheck (meager one at that) to them. IF you go to places like In and Out (where even the bottom person makes 11.00 an hour) you can get great tasting food that is reasonably priced and the workers are all friendly and upbeat!

cain006

Funny thing is the managers almost always put the more happy and upbeat employees in front. The people who wash dishes or are doing fried products are usually pretty depressing.

I think there was a poll done recently that said on average In an Out workers are the happiest in fast food (or it might have been chick fil a). I'll see if I can find it!

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#252 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

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[QUOTE="thegerg"] No one said you were "demanded anything."Now, how much more do you pay? I'm not asking how much more you'd pay if more was demanded from you, but how much more you pay anyway. I know what the answer is, it's 0%. You pay only what you are required. You selfish, greedy little man.thegerg

again: 10%

already told you three times: 10%

I give a 10% tip

it's my go-to thing 10%

get it? 10%

is that sinking in yet?

You've finally given an answer to he question that was asked. Your previous posts (that you'd give 10% if it was demanded, that you think 10% is fair, etc.) were not answers to the question. However, I find it hard to believe that you pay 10% more for your groceries than is required. Why did you start this odd practice? Do you overpay by 10% on everything? Movie tickets? Cars? Plain tickets? Videogames?

gotta love the contradiction

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#253 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -
10% is being cheap. Having a set standard is something I don't understand. If I get a $2.50 cup of coffee, pay with a $5 bill, and the person somehow is not mechanical and speaks to me on a human level--thus getting me in a good start--I'll just give them the whole $5.
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#254 Posted by thegerg (18422 posts) -

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[QUOTE="rilpas"]

Ah in that regards I agree with you, though I think they should receive higher wages, I don't think they should be payed double.

Though, as someone who has witnessed strikes before (though as an accountant I'm usually on the greedy ceo's side) I can tell that most like the number they chose is simply meant to pressure their bosses and draw attention, the REAL number they're aiming for is likely much lower

I'm guessing a 20-30% increase.

And to answer your question, would I be okay with going from say... a 2 euro chesse burguer to a cheese burguer costing 2.6 euro? absolutely

rilpas

The problem with increasing pay, and as an accountant, you should see that an increase in wages means an increase in the cost of a product. It isn't McDonald's paying those wages, it is Greg Fisher Foods of Pasternak NJ (fictitious franchise name and city) paying those wages and probably making a very slim profit a year (maybe 6% for fast food joints). Increase the price of a product, and fewer people buy said product, thus decreasing an already slim profit margin (and a business should make at least a 15% if not more).

The Average Profit Margin for a Restaurant details much about different types of restaurants.

Giving people more than $8 an hour for working in a fast food joint is nothing but retail suicide.

No offense, but your theory is flawed, alright, so restaurants have an 8% margin, but how much of that are the wages? a lot of it could be from renting the place, or food costs, health and safety costs, insurance, etc.

you're going off in a tangent with data that you don't have

His point isn't that restaurants have expenses other than labor, simply that not all businesses can afford such a drastic increase in labor costs. I don't understand why so many people that seem to feel that they are looking out for the little guy want state mandated regulations that would put the cost of labor out of the reach of so many of the little guys. Maybe some people would be happy in a world where the rich and their massive corporations are the only ones that can buy the labor of those who are not rich, but I prefer the world where a regular man can open and run his own business.
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#255 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -
10% is being cheap. Having a set standard is something I don't understand. If I get a $2.50 cup of coffee, pay with a $5 bill, and the person somehow is not mechanical and speaks to me on a human level--thus getting me in a good start--I'll just give them the whole $5. Heirren
pretty much this. I admit 10% is a bit on the cheap side, it's just my go-to percentage, I have given more :P
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#256 Posted by thegerg (18422 posts) -

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again: 10%

already told you three times: 10%

I give a 10% tip

it's my go-to thing 10%

get it? 10%

is that sinking in yet?

rilpas

You've finally given an answer to he question that was asked. Your previous posts (that you'd give 10% if it was demanded, that you think 10% is fair, etc.) were not answers to the question. However, I find it hard to believe that you pay 10% more for your groceries than is required. Why did you start this odd practice? Do you overpay by 10% on everything? Movie tickets? Cars? Plain tickets? Videogames?

gotta love the contradiction

No, it's not. You seem to be very confused. I was not asking what you would give if it was demanded, I asked what you would give on your own. Do you not understand that there is a difference between money being demanded and money not being demanded?

Again:Why did you start this odd practice? Do you overpay by 10% on everything? Movie tickets? Cars? Plane tickets? Videogames?

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#257 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

The problem with increasing pay, and as an accountant, you should see that an increase in wages means an increase in the cost of a product. It isn't McDonald's paying those wages, it is Greg Fisher Foods of Pasternak NJ (fictitious franchise name and city) paying those wages and probably making a very slim profit a year (maybe 6% for fast food joints). Increase the price of a product, and fewer people buy said product, thus decreasing an already slim profit margin (and a business should make at least a 15% if not more).

The Average Profit Margin for a Restaurant details much about different types of restaurants.

Giving people more than $8 an hour for working in a fast food joint is nothing but retail suicide.

thegerg

No offense, but your theory is flawed, alright, so restaurants have an 8% margin, but how much of that are the wages? a lot of it could be from renting the place, or food costs, health and safety costs, insurance, etc.

you're going off in a tangent with data that you don't have

His point isn't that restaurants have expenses other than labor, simply that not all businesses can afford such a drastic increase in labor costs. I don't understand why so many people that seem to feel that they are looking out for the little guy want state mandated regulations that would put the cost of labor out of the reach of so many of the little guys. Maybe some people would be happy in a world where the rich and their massive corporations are the only ones that can buy the labor of those who are not rich, but I prefer the world where a regular man can open and run his own business.

yes I'm well aware of that, which is why I said, just how much to waged weigh in? a 10% increase in salaries is not going to translate to a 10% increase in fixed costs, it'll likely be much lower then that

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#258 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -
[QUOTE="Heirren"]10% is being cheap. Having a set standard is something I don't understand. If I get a $2.50 cup of coffee, pay with a $5 bill, and the person somehow is not mechanical and speaks to me on a human level--thus getting me in a good start--I'll just give them the whole $5. rilpas
pretty much this. I admit 10% is a bit on the cheap side, it's just my go-to percentage, I have given more :P

I know what you mean--10% is sort of the socially accepted standard. On the other side of things, if service is piss poor I don't even understand the tip. Let's take the same situation and say the person spoils the start of my day. In that instant there shouldn't even be a tip as I'd rather have made my own coffee. But back on topic, what exactly are they striking? They want higher pay?
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#259 Posted by cain006 (8625 posts) -

[QUOTE="cain006"]

[QUOTE="Yusuke420"]

I also try to avoid low quailty food places whenever I can because I know the workers don't really want to be there and it's just a paycheck (meager one at that) to them. IF you go to places like In and Out (where even the bottom person makes 11.00 an hour) you can get great tasting food that is reasonably priced and the workers are all friendly and upbeat!

Yusuke420

Funny thing is the managers almost always put the more happy and upbeat employees in front. The people who wash dishes or are doing fried products are usually pretty depressing.

I think there was a poll done recently that said on average In an Out workers are the happiest in fast food (or it might have been chick fil a). I'll see if I can find it!

Ha I just meant if you think the people up front are depressing, you should go to the back.

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#260 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

No, it's not. You seem to be very confused. I was not asking what you would give if it was demanded, I asked what you would give on your own. Do you not understand that there is a difference between money being demanded and money not being demanded?thegerg

I like how you keep contradicting yourself over and over

I can't tell if you're a troll or just very poor at expressing yourself through writting

Again:Why did you start this odd practice? Do you overpay by 10% on everything? Movie tickets? Cars? Plane tickets? Videogames?

thegerg

I call them tips, if the person is nice or sympathetic I give him/her a 10% tip, somtimes more

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#261 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12605 posts) -

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The problem with increasing pay, and as an accountant, you should see that an increase in wages means an increase in the cost of a product. It isn't McDonald's paying those wages, it is Greg Fisher Foods of Pasternak NJ (fictitious franchise name and city) paying those wages and probably making a very slim profit a year (maybe 6% for fast food joints). Increase the price of a product, and fewer people buy said product, thus decreasing an already slim profit margin (and a business should make at least a 15% if not more).

The Average Profit Margin for a Restaurant details much about different types of restaurants.

Giving people more than $8 an hour for working in a fast food joint is nothing but retail suicide.

rilpas

No offense, but your theory is flawed, alright, so restaurants have an 8% margin, but how much of that are the wages? a lot of it could be from renting the place, or food costs, health and safety costs, insurance, etc.

you're going off in a tangent with data that you don't have

No, it is not flawed and your answer shows that you didn't read what I wrote correctly. I said 6% not 8%.It also shows that you did not read the linked article that shows that limited service restraunts (fast food or other types) make marginally more than full service (ones with a wait staff, bartenders and the like). at fast food joints, wages are 29% while occupancy costs were more than other restraunts at 8%.

Increasing wages will do one of two things, raise prices of the products sold or put the fast food joints out of business. While a small increase might be warranted, anything more than a dollar would have a big impact.

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#262 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"][QUOTE="Heirren"]10% is being cheap. Having a set standard is something I don't understand. If I get a $2.50 cup of coffee, pay with a $5 bill, and the person somehow is not mechanical and speaks to me on a human level--thus getting me in a good start--I'll just give them the whole $5. Heirren
pretty much this. I admit 10% is a bit on the cheap side, it's just my go-to percentage, I have given more :P

I know what you mean--10% is sort of the socially accepted standard. On the other side of things, if service is piss poor I don't even understand the tip. Let's take the same situation and say the person spoils the start of my day. In that instant there shouldn't even be a tip as I'd rather have made my own coffee. But back on topic, what exactly are they striking? They want higher pay?

yep, I just think that the workers should have higher wages, but they should work deserve them instead of it just being given to everyone.

with that said, I heard some places like chick-fill-a offer better wages then the competition

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#263 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

The problem with increasing pay, and as an accountant, you should see that an increase in wages means an increase in the cost of a product. It isn't McDonald's paying those wages, it is Greg Fisher Foods of Pasternak NJ (fictitious franchise name and city) paying those wages and probably making a very slim profit a year (maybe 6% for fast food joints). Increase the price of a product, and fewer people buy said product, thus decreasing an already slim profit margin (and a business should make at least a 15% if not more).

The Average Profit Margin for a Restaurant details much about different types of restaurants.

Giving people more than $8 an hour for working in a fast food joint is nothing but retail suicide.

WhiteKnight77

No offense, but your theory is flawed, alright, so restaurants have an 8% margin, but how much of that are the wages? a lot of it could be from renting the place, or food costs, health and safety costs, insurance, etc.

you're going off in a tangent with data that you don't have

No, it is not flawed and your answer shows that you didn't read what I wrote correctly. I said 6% not 8%.It also shows that you did not read the linked article that shows that limited service restraunts (fast food or other types) make marginally more than full service (ones with a wait staff, bartenders and the like). at fast food joints, wages are 29% while occupancy costs were more than other restraunts at 8%.

Increasing wages will do one of two things, raise prices of the products sold or put the fast food joints out of business. While a small increase might be warranted, anything more than a dollar would have a big impact.

yeah... I'm not worried about food increase costs then

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#264 Posted by thegerg (18422 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

No offense, but your theory is flawed, alright, so restaurants have an 8% margin, but how much of that are the wages? a lot of it could be from renting the place, or food costs, health and safety costs, insurance, etc.

you're going off in a tangent with data that you don't have

rilpas

His point isn't that restaurants have expenses other than labor, simply that not all businesses can afford such a drastic increase in labor costs. I don't understand why so many people that seem to feel that they are looking out for the little guy want state mandated regulations that would put the cost of labor out of the reach of so many of the little guys. Maybe some people would be happy in a world where the rich and their massive corporations are the only ones that can buy the labor of those who are not rich, but I prefer the world where a regular man can open and run his own business.

yes I'm well aware of that, which is why I said, just how much to waged weigh in? a 10% increase in salaries is not going to translate to a 10% increase in fixed costs, it'll likely be much lower then that

It certainly would. That doesn't change the fact not all business can withstand the proposed increase in labor costs. Many could handle the 10% increase, but not easily.
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#265 Posted by thegerg (18422 posts) -

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No, it's not. You seem to be very confused. I was not asking what you would give if it was demanded, I asked what you would give on your own. Do you not understand that there is a difference between money being demanded and money not being demanded?rilpas

I like how you keep contradicting yourself over and over

I can't tell if you're a troll or just very poor at expressing yourself through writting

Again:Why did you start this odd practice? Do you overpay by 10% on everything? Movie tickets? Cars? Plane tickets? Videogames?

thegerg

I call them tips, if the person is nice or sympathetic I give him/her a 10% tip, somtimes more

In what way have I contradicted myself? So you're saying that only people who you find nice or sympathetic deserve that 10% increase in pay?
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#266 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

In what way have I contradicted myself? So you're saying that only people who you find nice or sympathetic deserve that 10% increase in pay?thegerg

no, I say that workers should get higher wages, but I also think that it's up to the managers to decide who earned them

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#267 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -
[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"] His point isn't that restaurants have expenses other than labor, simply that not all businesses can afford such a drastic increase in labor costs. I don't understand why so many people that seem to feel that they are looking out for the little guy want state mandated regulations that would put the cost of labor out of the reach of so many of the little guys. Maybe some people would be happy in a world where the rich and their massive corporations are the only ones that can buy the labor of those who are not rich, but I prefer the world where a regular man can open and run his own business.thegerg

yes I'm well aware of that, which is why I said, just how much to waged weigh in? a 10% increase in salaries is not going to translate to a 10% increase in fixed costs, it'll likely be much lower then that

It certainly would. That doesn't change the fact not all business can withstand the proposed increase in labor costs. Many could handle the 10% increase, but not easily.

I find that hard to believe. The leader of Mcdonalds is probably shttng in a solid gold toilet. Someone, or groups of someone's, could very feasibly take a pay cut and still be very well off.
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#268 Posted by thegerg (18422 posts) -
[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

yes I'm well aware of that, which is why I said, just how much to waged weigh in? a 10% increase in salaries is not going to translate to a 10% increase in fixed costs, it'll likely be much lower then that

Heirren
It certainly would. That doesn't change the fact not all business can withstand the proposed increase in labor costs. Many could handle the 10% increase, but not easily.

I find that hard to believe. The leader of Mcdonalds is probably shttng in a solid gold toilet. Someone, or groups of someone's, could very feasibly take a pay cut and still be very well off.

There are other restaurants out there than McDonalds, and not every restaurant owner is rich. Raising the minimum wage would put these small business owners in a very hard spot. I'm just not a fan of legislation that puts an unreasonable hurdle in front of a working man that wants to make a living.
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#269 Posted by Socialist696 (558 posts) -
[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

yes I'm well aware of that, which is why I said, just how much to waged weigh in? a 10% increase in salaries is not going to translate to a 10% increase in fixed costs, it'll likely be much lower then that

Heirren
It certainly would. That doesn't change the fact not all business can withstand the proposed increase in labor costs. Many could handle the 10% increase, but not easily.

I find that hard to believe. The leader of Mcdonalds is probably shttng in a solid gold toilet. Someone, or groups of someone's, could very feasibly take a pay cut and still be very well off.

So you're saying that its right to remove reduce someones income to pay for the lower rabbles increased pay? That person with the gold toilet didnt just get a golden toilet for free they had to work for it and that would be wrong to take away from what they worked for to give to people who are still at the bottom, thats not how society works. If people have a problem with the wages they make at a fast food place, they should've gone to school, stayed away from criminal convictions, or overall aspired to something higher if they have a problem with the minimum wage rate.
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#270 Posted by Rich3232 (2628 posts) -
fast food restaurants and whatnot will not be affected too much by wage increases. it's only small/fancy restaurants that will be affected, but that's why they have an insanely low minimum wage and allow tips.
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#272 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="thegerg"] It certainly would. That doesn't change the fact not all business can withstand the proposed increase in labor costs. Many could handle the 10% increase, but not easily.Socialist696
I find that hard to believe. The leader of Mcdonalds is probably shttng in a solid gold toilet. Someone, or groups of someone's, could very feasibly take a pay cut and still be very well off.

So you're saying that its right to remove reduce someones income to pay for the lower rabbles increased pay? That person with the gold toilet didnt just get a golden toilet for free they had to work for it and that would be wrong to take away from what they worked for to give to people who are still at the bottom, thats not how society works. If people have a problem with the wages they make at a fast food place, they should've gone to school, stayed away from criminal convictions, or overall aspired to something higher if they have a problem with the minimum wage rate.

right because there have never been cases of people with college degrees who can't find a job in their area right?

I'd like to see you try and be a civil engineer in Florida

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#273 Posted by Rich3232 (2628 posts) -
[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="thegerg"] It certainly would. That doesn't change the fact not all business can withstand the proposed increase in labor costs. Many could handle the 10% increase, but not easily.

I find that hard to believe. The leader of Mcdonalds is probably shttng in a solid gold toilet. Someone, or groups of someone's, could very feasibly take a pay cut and still be very well off.

So you're saying that its right to remove reduce someones income to pay for the lower rabbles increased pay? That person with the gold toilet didnt just get a golden toilet for free they had to work for it and that would be wrong to take away from what they worked for to give to people who are still at the bottom, thats not how society works. If people have a problem with the wages they make at a fast food place, they should've gone to school, stayed away from criminal convictions, or overall aspired to something higher if they have a problem with the minimum wage rate.

extraordinary wage discrepancies is never good.
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#274 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12605 posts) -

I call them tips, if the person is nice or sympathetic I give him/her a 10% tip, somtimes more

rilpas

Being that you are European and they do not customarily tip, that isn't bad, but here in the US, we normally tip 15-20% for many services or at restraunts. I still do not see you giving the cashier at your local McDonald's a tip. Nor do I see you sending the farmer any extra money for growing the food you buy at the grocery store.

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#275 Posted by Socialist696 (558 posts) -

[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="Heirren"] I find that hard to believe. The leader of Mcdonalds is probably shttng in a solid gold toilet. Someone, or groups of someone's, could very feasibly take a pay cut and still be very well off.rilpas

So you're saying that its right to remove reduce someones income to pay for the lower rabbles increased pay? That person with the gold toilet didnt just get a golden toilet for free they had to work for it and that would be wrong to take away from what they worked for to give to people who are still at the bottom, thats not how society works. If people have a problem with the wages they make at a fast food place, they should've gone to school, stayed away from criminal convictions, or overall aspired to something higher if they have a problem with the minimum wage rate.

right because there have never been cases of people with college degrees who can't find a job in their area right?

I'd like to see you try and be a civil engineer in Florida

I actually live in Florida and am doing fine. I'm work in a inbound callcenter and have no complaints about my wage, which is 14.60 an hour. And I'm not even 21 yet. I never had a problem making it in life, and I don't see why anyone would even in these economic times if they just aspire to be better than what they are.
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#276 Posted by deactivated-57ad0e5285d73 (21398 posts) -
[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="Heirren"] I find that hard to believe. The leader of Mcdonalds is probably shttng in a solid gold toilet. Someone, or groups of someone's, could very feasibly take a pay cut and still be very well off.

So you're saying that its right to remove reduce someones income to pay for the lower rabbles increased pay? That person with the gold toilet didnt just get a golden toilet for free they had to work for it and that would be wrong to take away from what they worked for to give to people who are still at the bottom, thats not how society works. If people have a problem with the wages they make at a fast food place, they should've gone to school, stayed away from criminal convictions, or overall aspired to something higher if they have a problem with the minimum wage rate.

extraordinary wage discrepancies is never good.

Exactly. If your business is thriving, the lower level workers should be commended outside of some silly pins on a hat.
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#277 Posted by Socialist696 (558 posts) -
Also, I seem to recall my teachers in grade school reminding us constantly that if we don't work at life, we'll be flipping burgers. Those who don't head the warnings can't complain, they've done it to themselves. Its a dog eat dog world, and its never fair nor will it ever be you have to work your ass off nothing just comes free or easy.
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#278 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

Also, I seem to recall my teachers in grade school reminding us constantly that if we don't work at life, we'll be flipping burgers. Those who don't head the warnings can't complain, they've done it to themselves. Its a dog eat dog world, and its never fair nor will it ever be you have to work your ass off nothing just comes free or easy.Socialist696
you seem bitter

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#279 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

] I actually live in Florida and am doing fine. I'm work in a inbound callcenter and have no complaints about my wage, which is 14.60 an hour. And I'm not even 21 yet. I never had a problem making it in life, and I don't see why anyone would even in these economic times if they just aspire to be better than what they are.Socialist696

so because it's not a problem for you it shouldn't be a problem for anyone else? 'kay

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#280 Posted by thegerg (18422 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

I call them tips, if the person is nice or sympathetic I give him/her a 10% tip, somtimes more

WhiteKnight77

Being that you are European and they do not customarily tip, that isn't bad, but here in the US, we normally tip 15-20% for many services or at restraunts. I still do not see you giving the cashier at your local McDonald's a tip. Nor do I see you sending the farmer any extra money for growing the food you buy at the grocery store.

No, he gives 10% to everyone that is "nice or sympathetic", remember? haha
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#281 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12605 posts) -

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

No, it is not flawed and your answer shows that you didn't read what I wrote correctly. I said 6% not 8%.It also shows that you did not read the linked article that shows that limited service restraunts (fast food or other types) make marginally more than full service (ones with a wait staff, bartenders and the like). at fast food joints, wages are 29% while occupancy costs were more than other restraunts at 8%.

Increasing wages will do one of two things, raise prices of the products sold or put the fast food joints out of business. While a small increase might be warranted, anything more than a dollar would have a big impact.

rilpas

yeah... I'm not worried about food increase costs then

When wages go up, profit goes down, to maintain that profit, something has to rise in order to keep that profit margin. The cost of the product has to rise, thus you will pay more to eat that cheeseburger.

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#282 Posted by Rich3232 (2628 posts) -
Also, I seem to recall my teachers in grade school reminding us constantly that if we don't work at life, we'll be flipping burgers. Those who don't head the warnings can't complain, they've done it to themselves. Its a dog eat dog world, and its never fair nor will it ever be you have to work your ass off nothing just comes free or easy.Socialist696
rofl no. there are many more factors other than how "hard" you work. to blatantly disregard those other factors is pretty dumb.
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#283 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

No, it is not flawed and your answer shows that you didn't read what I wrote correctly. I said 6% not 8%.It also shows that you did not read the linked article that shows that limited service restraunts (fast food or other types) make marginally more than full service (ones with a wait staff, bartenders and the like). at fast food joints, wages are 29% while occupancy costs were more than other restraunts at 8%.

Increasing wages will do one of two things, raise prices of the products sold or put the fast food joints out of business. While a small increase might be warranted, anything more than a dollar would have a big impact.

WhiteKnight77

yeah... I'm not worried about food increase costs then

When wages go up, profit goes down, to maintain that profit, something has to rise in order to keep that profit margin. The cost of the product has to rise, thus you will pay more to eat that cheeseburger.

Duge, the wages aren't even a third of the fixed costs, you could increase it by 10% and it still wouldn't be a third of fixed costs

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#284 Posted by MrGeezer (59344 posts) -

Duge, the wages aren't even a third of the fixed costs, you could increase it by 10% and it still wouldn't be a third of fixed costs

rilpas
Would increasing minimum wage by 10% make it a liveable wage?
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#285 Posted by WhiteKnight77 (12605 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

Duge, the wages aren't even a third of the fixed costs, you could increase it by 10% and it still wouldn't be a third of fixed costs

MrGeezer

Would increasing minimum wage by 10% make it a liveable wage?

A 10% increase would not even bring it to $8 an hour.

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#286 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -
[QUOTE="rilpas"]

Duge, the wages aren't even a third of the fixed costs, you could increase it by 10% and it still wouldn't be a third of fixed costs

MrGeezer
Would increasing minimum wage by 10% make it a liveable wage?

it'd be a start
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#287 Posted by Socialist696 (558 posts) -
[QUOTE="Socialist696"]Also, I seem to recall my teachers in grade school reminding us constantly that if we don't work at life, we'll be flipping burgers. Those who don't head the warnings can't complain, they've done it to themselves. Its a dog eat dog world, and its never fair nor will it ever be you have to work your ass off nothing just comes free or easy.Rich3232
rofl no. there are many more factors other than how "hard" you work. to blatantly disregard those other factors is pretty dumb.

Such as what factors? I know the answer, but for the sake of amusement I'm going to entertain this and than tear it apart because I already know exactly what you're going to say and how to answer it. I didn't simply ignore factors, I just chose to name the biggest problem with todays working young people. People these days seem to just expect things without putting in any hard work for it.
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#288 Posted by Yusuke420 (2770 posts) -

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Socialist696"]Also, I seem to recall my teachers in grade school reminding us constantly that if we don't work at life, we'll be flipping burgers. Those who don't head the warnings can't complain, they've done it to themselves. Its a dog eat dog world, and its never fair nor will it ever be you have to work your ass off nothing just comes free or easy.Socialist696
rofl no. there are many more factors other than how "hard" you work. to blatantly disregard those other factors is pretty dumb.

Such as what factors? I know the answer, but for the sake of amusement I'm going to entertain this and than tear it apart because I already know exactly what you're going to say and how to answer it. I didn't simply ignore factors, I just chose to name the biggest problem with todays working young people. People these days seem to just expect things without putting in any hard work for it.

You're born in Compton, CA, you have a crackhead for a mother and an absentee father. You're taking to live with your grand mother in a one room housing project in the worst part of the city. Your then joined by two siblings who are younger then you, fast foward a bit, now your sixteen. Everything in school is great, but then your grandmother dies and you're forced to quit school to raise your younger siblings because you don't want the state to split you up. You take a minimum wage job because you're a high school dropout and that all you can get with zero work experience. How does this person get out of the cycle of poverty? Remember they can't return to school and minimum wage isn't going to pay of everything, so how do you suppose they get the extra income to not only cover bills. but pay to get their GED (or even find time too for that matter)?

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#289 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="Rich3232"][QUOTE="Socialist696"]Also, I seem to recall my teachers in grade school reminding us constantly that if we don't work at life, we'll be flipping burgers. Those who don't head the warnings can't complain, they've done it to themselves. Its a dog eat dog world, and its never fair nor will it ever be you have to work your ass off nothing just comes free or easy.Socialist696
rofl no. there are many more factors other than how "hard" you work. to blatantly disregard those other factors is pretty dumb.

Such as what factors? I know the answer, but for the sake of amusement I'm going to entertain this and than tear it apart because I already know exactly what you're going to say and how to answer it. I didn't simply ignore factors, I just chose to name the biggest problem with todays working young people. People these days seem to just expect things without putting in any hard work for it.

didn't you just say you work at a telemarketing company? and that you're 21? none of those scream sucess or experience

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#290 Posted by Socialist696 (558 posts) -

[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] rofl no. there are many more factors other than how "hard" you work. to blatantly disregard those other factors is pretty dumb. rilpas

Such as what factors? I know the answer, but for the sake of amusement I'm going to entertain this and than tear it apart because I already know exactly what you're going to say and how to answer it. I didn't simply ignore factors, I just chose to name the biggest problem with todays working young people. People these days seem to just expect things without putting in any hard work for it.

didn't you just say you work at a telemarketing company? and that you're 21? none of those scream sucess or experience

I have my own place, my own vehicle, and I have a child. I'm sure thats more than some people of my age. I also manage a Lawncare company on the weekends with over 60 clients, making me and my wife over $350 extra per weekend. I don't care to argue what success or experience are, but I do just fine in life with what I do to make it. I'm not competing with anyone, but people who complain about wages and what not needs to learn life isn't fair and if you want to do more than good you have to hustle.
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#291 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Socialist696"] Such as what factors? I know the answer, but for the sake of amusement I'm going to entertain this and than tear it apart because I already know exactly what you're going to say and how to answer it. I didn't simply ignore factors, I just chose to name the biggest problem with todays working young people. People these days seem to just expect things without putting in any hard work for it.Socialist696

didn't you just say you work at a telemarketing company? and that you're 21? none of those scream sucess or experience

I have my own place, my own vehicle, and I have a child. I'm sure thats more than some people of my age. I also manage a Lawncare company on the weekends with over 60 clients, making me and my wife over $350 extra per weekend. I don't care to argue what success or experience are, but I do just fine in life with what I do to make it. I'm not competing with anyone, but people who complain about wages and what not needs to learn life isn't fair and if you want to do more than good you have to hustle.

so basically you just proved my point. A'ight

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#292 Posted by Socialist696 (558 posts) -

[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="Rich3232"] rofl no. there are many more factors other than how "hard" you work. to blatantly disregard those other factors is pretty dumb. Yusuke420

Such as what factors? I know the answer, but for the sake of amusement I'm going to entertain this and than tear it apart because I already know exactly what you're going to say and how to answer it. I didn't simply ignore factors, I just chose to name the biggest problem with todays working young people. People these days seem to just expect things without putting in any hard work for it.

You're born in Compton, CA, you have a crackhead for a mother and an absentee father. You're taking to live with your grand mother in a one room housing project in the worst part of the city. Your then joined by two siblings who are younger then you, fast foward a bit, now your sixteen. Everything in school is great, but then your grandmother dies and you're forced to quit school to raise your younger siblings because you don't want the state to split you up. You take a minimum wage job because you're a high school dropout and that all you can get with zero work experience. How does this person get out of the cycle of poverty? Remember they can't return to school and minimum wage isn't going to pay of everything, so how do you suppose they get the extra income to not only cover bills. but pay to get their GED (or even find time too for that matter)?

Instead of using where you came from as an excuse, you make sacrifices. You work under the table jobs with whatever experience in whatever handyman tasks you have. You do whatever it takes regardless of how much sleep and free time you have on your hands. Instead of complaining about your lot in life, your background, and your lack of a resume, you sacrifice this time on Gamespot complaining about it to go out, hustle the streets and bring whatever money you can to your table. Sell goods on the street corner, start a business - you don't need a resume to be your own boss - do WHATEVER it takes and DONT waste time. If you have time to spare to sit on this to level 15 with 572 posts, I'd say you have time to go out and make money through whatever means necessary.

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#293 Posted by MrGeezer (59344 posts) -

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

Duge, the wages aren't even a third of the fixed costs, you could increase it by 10% and it still wouldn't be a third of fixed costs

WhiteKnight77

Would increasing minimum wage by 10% make it a liveable wage?

A 10% increase would not even bring it to $8 an hour.

Yeah, see, I'm not even gonna say that minimum wage workers deserve more money. But increasingly, minimum wage is just $***. It seems like it's costing more to make a living, while minimum wage isn't keeping pace. That really seems like that could end up being a big problem for EVERYONE. The less able people are able to earn a living wage, isn't that just gonna end up with stuff like lots more people ending up on government assistance? Or just plain flat out going completely broke and ending up on the streets? This really seems like this sort of thing is just everyone's problem. Yet, thegerg is 100% right. Actually raising the minimum wage significantly would put people out of work. Which, again, is sort of everybody's problem. If raising the minimum wage just a little could solve this, then fine. But as you pointed out, even raising the minimum wage by 10% still puts it at less than $8 an hour. Which doesn't really solve the problem of people being completely incapable of earning a living wage. I'm certainly not going to say that minimum wage workers deserve more. After all, minimum wage is what their work is worth, and they've agreed upon those wages when they took the job. Still, I think this whole debate is an example of something that could potentially end up a big freaking problem if it's not addressed, and simply raising minimum wage isn't the solution.
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#294 Posted by Socialist696 (558 posts) -

[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="rilpas"]didn't you just say you work at a telemarketing company? and that you're 21? none of those scream sucess or experience

rilpas

I have my own place, my own vehicle, and I have a child. I'm sure thats more than some people of my age. I also manage a Lawncare company on the weekends with over 60 clients, making me and my wife over $350 extra per weekend. I don't care to argue what success or experience are, but I do just fine in life with what I do to make it. I'm not competing with anyone, but people who complain about wages and what not needs to learn life isn't fair and if you want to do more than good you have to hustle.

so basically you just proved my point. A'ight

I just proved I'm independant and a hard worker who puts food on his wife and daughters table so they can have a good life. I work everyday to support them, have this internet I'm using, this computer I'm on, and more. So please, take your ignorant remarks back before I laugh at you any harder for even trying me on this one.
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#295 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] Would increasing minimum wage by 10% make it a liveable wage? MrGeezer

A 10% increase would not even bring it to $8 an hour.

Yeah, see, I'm not even gonna say that minimum wage workers deserve more money. But increasingly, minimum wage is just $***. It seems like it's costing more to make a living, while minimum wage isn't keeping pace. That really seems like that could end up being a big problem for EVERYONE. The less able people are able to earn a living wage, isn't that just gonna end up with stuff like lots more people ending up on government assistance? Or just plain flat out going completely broke and ending up on the streets? This really seems like this sort of thing is just everyone's problem. Yet, thegerg is 100% right. Actually raising the minimum wage significantly would put people out of work. Which, again, is sort of everybody's problem. If raising the minimum wage just a little could solve this, then fine. But as you pointed out, even raising the minimum wage by 10% still puts it at less than $8 an hour. Which doesn't really solve the problem of people being completely incapable of earning a living wage. I'm certainly not going to say that minimum wage workers deserve more. After all, minimum wage is what their work is worth, and they've agreed upon those wages when they took the job. Still, I think this whole debate is an example of something that could potentially end up a big freaking problem if it's not addressed, and simply raising minimum wage isn't the solution.

I disagree, though there is one point to consider, raising the minimum wage would bring about inflation

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#296 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Socialist696"] I have my own place, my own vehicle, and I have a child. I'm sure thats more than some people of my age. I also manage a Lawncare company on the weekends with over 60 clients, making me and my wife over $350 extra per weekend. I don't care to argue what success or experience are, but I do just fine in life with what I do to make it. I'm not competing with anyone, but people who complain about wages and what not needs to learn life isn't fair and if you want to do more than good you have to hustle.Socialist696

so basically you just proved my point. A'ight

I just proved I'm independant and a hard worker who puts food on his wife and daughters table so they can have a good life. I work everyday to support them, have this internet I'm using, this computer I'm on, and more. So please, take your ignorant remarks back before I laugh at you any harder for even trying me on this one.

what ignorant remarks are those? that you work hard and two jobs for a below average salary while still supporting a kid? 'kay

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#297 Posted by Easyle (2034 posts) -
10.25 minimum wage in Ontario! :P
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#298 Posted by Socialist696 (558 posts) -

[QUOTE="Socialist696"][QUOTE="rilpas"]

so basically you just proved my point. A'ight

rilpas

I just proved I'm independant and a hard worker who puts food on his wife and daughters table so they can have a good life. I work everyday to support them, have this internet I'm using, this computer I'm on, and more. So please, take your ignorant remarks back before I laugh at you any harder for even trying me on this one.

what ignorant remarks are those? that you work hard and two jobs for a below average salary while still supporting a kid? 'kay

Yes, those ignorant remarks considering I live in FL and if you can even find a minimum wage job out here, you're considered lucky. I suppose you have more to hold your head high about at the end of the day than me? What job do you work, what responsibilities do you have? Id really like to know since youre talking so poorly of an honest hardworking father.
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#299 Posted by Socialist696 (558 posts) -
[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Socialist696"] I just proved I'm independant and a hard worker who puts food on his wife and daughters table so they can have a good life. I work everyday to support them, have this internet I'm using, this computer I'm on, and more. So please, take your ignorant remarks back before I laugh at you any harder for even trying me on this one.Socialist696

what ignorant remarks are those? that you work hard and two jobs for a below average salary while still supporting a kid? 'kay

Yes, those ignorant remarks considering I live in FL and if you can even find a minimum wage job out here, you're considered lucky. I suppose you have more to hold your head high about at the end of the day than me? What job do you work, what responsibilities do you have? Id really like to know since youre talking so poorly of an honest hardworking father.

Also put how old you are and if you live alone or with mommy/daddy still. Interest me here.
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#300 Posted by rilpas (8161 posts) -

[QUOTE="rilpas"]

[QUOTE="Socialist696"] I just proved I'm independant and a hard worker who puts food on his wife and daughters table so they can have a good life. I work everyday to support them, have this internet I'm using, this computer I'm on, and more. So please, take your ignorant remarks back before I laugh at you any harder for even trying me on this one.Socialist696

what ignorant remarks are those? that you work hard and two jobs for a below average salary while still supporting a kid? 'kay

Yes, those ignorant remarks considering I live in FL and if you can even find a minimum wage job out here, you're considered lucky. I suppose you have more to hold your head high about at the end of the day than me? What job do you work, what responsibilities do you have? Id really like to know since youre talking so poorly of an honest hardworking father.

I said it before in this thread, I'm an accountant, I'm glad I got here, but in the end I'm well aware there are people less fortunate me, the difference between you and me is that I don't laugh or scold those who earn less then me I don't go "lulz u work at macdonalds"

I have to say though, it's interesting you're probably the most bitter 21 year old I've ever met.