Evolution or God, which requires more skepticism to deny?

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

Science has never proven that we came from monkeys or other things about the origins of life. You can believe that if you want, that's your choice.

DeeJayInphinity

Okay then. Science has never proven we came from a single cell spore, amoeba, bacteria, virus, whatever.

Show me that proof. You can't can you.

Oh it happened billions and billions of years ago. Really? Were you alive billions of years ago? Were the scientists who wrote the textbooks or does research alive billions on years ago?

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

Science has never proven that we came from monkeys or other things about the origins of life. You can believe that if you want, that's your choice.

ASK_Story

Okay then. Science has never proven we came from a single cell spore, amoeba, bacteria, virus, whatever.

Show me that proof. You can't can you.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

Science has never proven that we came from monkeys or other things about the origins of life. You can believe that if you want, that's your choice.

ASK_Story

Okay then. Science has never proven we came from a single cell spore, amoeba, bacteria, virus, whatever.

Show me that proof. You can't can you.

Oh it happened billions and billions of years ago. Really? Were you alive billions of years ago? Were the scientists who wrote the textbooks or does research alive billions on years ago?

Why are you so desperate to believe there's a God? What do you need him for? (Id just like to know, if you don't mind)

...maybe god created evolution?pete_merlin

So you do present the suggestion that God or a Supreme Being exists?

That's what I'm trying to present here. People here say that there's no God but evolution created life. I'm just trying to contradict, challenge, or debate that maybe there is a God and that evolution isn't the all proven truth.

Here's another challenge, let's say the big bang theory or we evolving from a single cell is true. Okay, then who put that cell or thing that caused the big bang? Someone must've put it there. But you may say, it's from the cosmic dust that gathered over a period or trillion years. Okay then, who put the dust there? Something or someone must've put it there.

Then aliens put it there. Okay then, who created the aliens?

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

Science has never proven that we came from monkeys or other things about the origins of life. You can believe that if you want, that's your choice.

DeeJayInphinity

Okay then. Science has never proven we came from a single cell spore, amoeba, bacteria, virus, whatever.

Show me that proof. You can't can you.

I'm being a little sarcastic.

[QUOTE="pete_merlin"]...maybe god created evolution?ASK_Story

So you do present the suggestion that God or a Supreme Being exists?

That's what I'm trying to present here. People here say that there's no God but evolution created life. I'm just trying to contradict, challenge, or debate that maybe there is a God and that evolution isn't the all proven truth.

Here's another challenge, let's say the big bang theory or we evolving from a single cell is true. Okay, then who put that cell or thing that caused the big bang? Someone must've put it there. But you may say, it's from the cosmic dust that gathered over a period or trillion years. Okay then, who put the dust there? Something or someone must've put it there.

Then aliens put it there. Okay then, who created the aliens?

[QUOTE="pete_merlin"]...maybe god created evolution?ASK_Story

So you do present the suggestion that God or a Supreme Being exists?

That's what I'm trying to present here. People here say that there's no God but evolution created life. I'm just trying to contradict, challenge, or debate that maybe there is a God and that evolution isn't the all proven truth.

Here's another challenge, let's say the big bang theory or we evolving from a single cell is true. Okay, then who put that cell or thing that caused the big bang? Someone must've put it there. But you may say, it's from the cosmic dust that gathered over a period or trillion years. Okay then, who put the dust there? Something or someone must've put it there.

Then aliens put it there. Okay then, who created the aliens?

Evolution deals with life that already exists, not the origin of it. Also, just because one believes in evolution does not mean they don't believe in a higher being.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

Science has never proven that we came from monkeys or other things about the origins of life. You can believe that if you want, that's your choice.

duncancameron23

Okay then. Science has never proven we came from a single cell spore, amoeba, bacteria, virus, whatever.

Show me that proof. You can't can you.

Oh it happened billions and billions of years ago. Really? Were you alive billions of years ago? Were the scientists who wrote the textbooks or does research alive billions on years ago?

Why are you so desperate to believe there's a God? What do you need him for? (Id just like to know, if you don't mind)

It's your choice or my choice to believe in God or not.

All I'm trying to do is challenge the people in these boards who claim that evolution is truth.

My take is, since evolution hasn't been completely proven or disapproven, it can't be claimed as truth. That's all I'm trying to point out.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]They are pretty much both equally skeptics. Only diffrence is, people who deny God, tend to hate him. So it's usually a bias that tips them to the other side.duncancameron23

Difficult to hate something that doesn't exist in my opinion. But what i do hate is the moral high-ground people think they have when they are religious. Why should there morals be in anyway superior to anybody else's, go figure?

I'm being a little sarcastic.

ASK_Story

[QUOTE="FamiBox"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

[QUOTE="NaiKoN9293"]lets see. denying God which has been proven by noone shouldn't require a lot of skepticism. Denying evolution which has been proven by science should require a lot of skepticism.ASK_Story

There's no evidence for evolution, just a bunch of theories

There is mountains of evidence for evolution. Why not just read a book and see? It is a scientific fact.

Also, you use the word "theory" out of context.

A scientific "theory" can also be a fact (just like gravity etc.)

Really? You believe everything in the book? How about all the other books that contradict or challenge evolution? How about those books?

Sorry, but you can't just read one text-book and say it's the truth. One truth maybe not truth to others.

And by the way, I've been to UCLA, and I never came across a science class where they said evolution is a scientific fact. I'm referining to the origins or life vs creation NOT heredity or adapting to the environment.

Have science proven we evolved from Monkeys? Have sciene proven the big bang theory is real? Not the word, Theory. It's not proven. It's not fact. And it also takes some faith to believe in these things.

lolz

You're not even worth debating with.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I'm being a little sarcastic.

DeeJayInphinity

Does it matter really? What matters is if it's truth or not.

But it's not proven so whether I say monkeys, a single cell, or even from aliens, it doesn't matter because it isn't truth.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

Science has never proven that we came from monkeys or other things about the origins of life. You can believe that if you want, that's your choice.

ASK_Story

Okay then. Science has never proven we came from a single cell spore, amoeba, bacteria, virus, whatever.

Show me that proof. You can't can you.

Oh it happened billions and billions of years ago. Really? Were you alive billions of years ago? Were the scientists who wrote the textbooks or does research alive billions on years ago?

Heres a great example of someone debating about something they know nothing about. Have you ever heard of carbon dating? It amazes me how you can discredit the very earth you live on, we are able to see through rock formation, fossils and the atmosphere how long this planet has been around. This is the difference between a religious person and scientific person. A scientific person at least has knowledge of religious teachings and it's history, a religious person however does not bother to learn about the very planet it lives off. I actually feel very sad for you.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="FamiBox"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

[QUOTE="NaiKoN9293"]lets see. denying God which has been proven by noone shouldn't require a lot of skepticism. Denying evolution which has been proven by science should require a lot of skepticism.FamiBox

There's no evidence for evolution, just a bunch of theories

There is mountains of evidence for evolution. Why not just read a book and see? It is a scientific fact.

Also, you use the word "theory" out of context.

A scientific "theory" can also be a fact (just like gravity etc.)

Really? You believe everything in the book? How about all the other books that contradict or challenge evolution? How about those books?

Sorry, but you can't just read one text-book and say it's the truth. One truth maybe not truth to others.

And by the way, I've been to UCLA, and I never came across a science class where they said evolution is a scientific fact. I'm referining to the origins or life vs creation NOT heredity or adapting to the environment.

Have science proven we evolved from Monkeys? Have sciene proven the big bang theory is real? Not the word, Theory. It's not proven. It's not fact. And it also takes some faith to believe in these things.

lolz

You're not even worth debating with.

Why not?

Becauase we can argue and discuss forever, but you still can't prove the big bang theory or evolving from monkeys actually happened.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I'm being a little sarcastic.

ASK_Story

Does it matter really? What matters is if it's truth or not.

But it's not proven so whether I say monkeys, a single cell, or even from aliens, it doesn't matter because it isn't truth.

Darwin's theory is that we shared a common ancestor to apes. Not that we evolved from monkeys...Just clearing that up

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I'm being a little sarcastic.

ASK_Story

Does it matter really? What matters is if it's truth or not.

But it's not proven so whether I say monkeys, a single cell, or even from aliens, it doesn't matter because it isn't truth.

[QUOTE="FamiBox"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="FamiBox"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

[QUOTE="NaiKoN9293"]lets see. denying God which has been proven by noone shouldn't require a lot of skepticism. Denying evolution which has been proven by science should require a lot of skepticism.ASK_Story

There's no evidence for evolution, just a bunch of theories

There is mountains of evidence for evolution. Why not just read a book and see? It is a scientific fact.

Also, you use the word "theory" out of context.

A scientific "theory" can also be a fact (just like gravity etc.)

Really? You believe everything in the book? How about all the other books that contradict or challenge evolution? How about those books?

Sorry, but you can't just read one text-book and say it's the truth. One truth maybe not truth to others.

And by the way, I've been to UCLA, and I never came across a science class where they said evolution is a scientific fact. I'm referining to the origins or life vs creation NOT heredity or adapting to the environment.

Have science proven we evolved from Monkeys? Have sciene proven the big bang theory is real? Not the word, Theory. It's not proven. It's not fact. And it also takes some faith to believe in these things.

lolz

You're not even worth debating with.

Why not?

Becauase we can argue and discuss forever, but you still can't prove the big bang theory or evolving from monkeys actually happened.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Tell you what.. you go and study evolution for a bit (and not on some creationist website) and get to understand it better.

I do not need to "prove" anything. I'm not your teacher. If you want to see the evidence for yourself, go read up on it. There's tons of evidence. You don't even understand evolution, so how can I have any hope of debating with you?. It's pointless.

See ASK_Story, the reason that the evolution vs creationism debate is still going on is because the creationist havent got the slightest clue on evolution, just like yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't be making rediculous statements like "oh how did life come to be" and "prove that humans evolved from monkeys", because evolution:

1. Does not touch the subject of the origin of life, Abiogenesis does (bet you haven't even heard of Abiogenesis but w/e)

2. The theory of evolution doesn't state half the jargon you like to state it does.

Creationists just have a limitless suply of **** to pull out of their asses and at one point or the other it gets completely pointless to debate them. Evolution has bin observed, yet you still deny it. A chicken would be more likely to try and understand a thing or two about science than you and some other creationists.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

Science has never proven that we came from monkeys or other things about the origins of life. You can believe that if you want, that's your choice.

daftdog

Okay then. Science has never proven we came from a single cell spore, amoeba, bacteria, virus, whatever.

Show me that proof. You can't can you.

Oh it happened billions and billions of years ago. Really? Were you alive billions of years ago? Were the scientists who wrote the textbooks or does research alive billions on years ago?

Heres a great example of someone debating about something they know nothing about. Have you ever heard of carbon dating? It amazes me how you can discredit the very earth you live on, we are able to see through rock formation, fossils and the atmosphere how long this planet has been around. This is the difference between a religious person and scientific person. A scientific person at least has knowledge of religious teachings and it's history, a religious person however does not bother to learn about the very planet it lives off. I actually feel very sad for you.

Carbon dating and all that really doesn't matter in this argument because the question I'm presenting is, "Who put those rocks, formation, fossils, atmosphere, on the earth? Where did it come from? How did it all began?"

Since you can't prove who or what put it there, you can throw around fancy terms like carbon dating all you want but it still doesn't prove or disapprove that God or a Supreme Being exists or not. It also doesn't proves or disapproves evolution as truth at all.

That's what I'm challenging here.

Also, carbon dating isn't accurate. It's unaprovable assumptions.

We must remember that the past is not open to the normal processes of experimental science. A scientist cannot do experiments on events that happened in the past. Scientists do not measure the age of rocks, they measure isotope concentrations, and these can be measured extremely accurately. However, the "age" is calculated using assumptions about the past that cannot be proven.

This is what God said in the Bible: "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?" Job 38:4

When I read this here, it shows that neither carbon dating or creation can be proven to determine the earth's age.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c007.html

So in my opinion, just believing whatever school textbook says about carbon dating is also very sad. You have to see the whole sides not just one. Than you're being narrow minded.

I'm seeing both sides. And my conclusion is, it takes faith for both.

See ASK_Story, the reason that the evolution vs creationism debate is still going on is because the creationist havent got the slightest clue on evolution, just like yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't be making rediculous statements like "oh how did life come to be" and "prove that humans evolved from monkeys", because evolution:

1. Does not touch the subject of the origin of life, Abiogenesis does (bet you haven't even heard of Abiogenesis but w/e)

2. The theory of evolution doesn't state half the jargon you like to state it does.

Creationists just have a limitless suply of **** to pull out of their asses and at one point or the other it gets completely pointless to debate them. Evolution has bin observed, yet you still deny it. A chicken would be more likely to try and understand a thing or two about science than you and some other creationists.

astiop

The point is, evolution still hasn't been proven or disapproven. You can throw all the evolution jargon to me but it still doesn't give definite proof or infallible truth that God doesn't exist. And likewise, the existence of a Creator hasn't been proven or disapproven.

I'm not forcing you to believe in God or change your beliefs. I'm just presenting the notion that a Creator can exist.And that it takes faith to believe in either. You say Creationists are narrow minded, but I also say evolutionists are narrowminded. Because they completely deny the existiance of a Creator when they have no proof or evidence that a Creator may exist.

Evolutionist want to believe that there's no Creator or else they'd be held accountable. A Creator means that there's a higher purpose in life and certain rules they must follow. Evolution takes away these responsibilites, therefore, no Creator to serve.

Anyway, you get what I'm saying. It takes faith to believe in either or because either or hasn't been proven or not proven.

I'm seeing both sides. And my conclusion is, it takes faith for both.

ASK_Story

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I'm seeing both sides. And my conclusion is, it takes faith for both.

DeeJayInphinity

You haven't read any of my posts. I said you can't prove or disapprove evolution, and likewise, you can't prove or disapprove the existence of a Creator.

Therefore, it takes faith to believe in a Creator or in evolution.

What or who you believe is up to you.

[QUOTE="astiop"]

See ASK_Story, the reason that the evolution vs creationism debate is still going on is because the creationist havent got the slightest clue on evolution, just like yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't be making rediculous statements like "oh how did life come to be" and "prove that humans evolved from monkeys", because evolution:

1. Does not touch the subject of the origin of life, Abiogenesis does (bet you haven't even heard of Abiogenesis but w/e)

2. The theory of evolution doesn't state half the jargon you like to state it does.

Creationists just have a limitless suply of **** to pull out of their asses and at one point or the other it gets completely pointless to debate them. Evolution has bin observed, yet you still deny it. A chicken would be more likely to try and understand a thing or two about science than you and some other creationists.

ASK_Story

The point is, evolution still hasn't been proven or disapproven. You can throw all the evolution jargon to me but it still doesn't give definite proof or infallible truth that God doesn't exist. And likewise, the existence of a Creator hasn't been proven or disapproven.

I'm not forcing you to believe in God or change your beliefs. I'm just presenting the notion that a Creator can exist. That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

I'm not telling you that evolution disproves God, that is not what evolution is about. Evolution is a theory, not believing in evolution is the same as not believing in any scientific theory to date, as they have all been through the same process to be called theories. Evolution has been observed and has been proven.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I'm seeing both sides. And my conclusion is, it takes faith for both.

ASK_Story

You haven't read any of my posts. I said you can't prove or disapprove evolution, and likewise, you can't prove or disapprove the existence of a Creator.

Therefore, it takes faith to believe in a Creator or in evolution.

What or who you believe is up to you.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="astiop"]

See ASK_Story, the reason that the evolution vs creationism debate is still going on is because the creationist havent got the slightest clue on evolution, just like yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't be making rediculous statements like "oh how did life come to be" and "prove that humans evolved from monkeys", because evolution:

1. Does not touch the subject of the origin of life, Abiogenesis does (bet you haven't even heard of Abiogenesis but w/e)

2. The theory of evolution doesn't state half the jargon you like to state it does.

Creationists just have a limitless suply of **** to pull out of their asses and at one point or the other it gets completely pointless to debate them. Evolution has bin observed, yet you still deny it. A chicken would be more likely to try and understand a thing or two about science than you and some other creationists.

astiop

The point is, evolution still hasn't been proven or disapproven. You can throw all the evolution jargon to me but it still doesn't give definite proof or infallible truth that God doesn't exist. And likewise, the existence of a Creator hasn't been proven or disapproven.

I'm not forcing you to believe in God or change your beliefs. I'm just presenting the notion that a Creator can exist. That doesn't sound unreasonable to me.

I'm not telling you that evolution disproves God, that is not what evolution is about. Evolution is a theory, not believing in evolution is the same as not believing in any scientific theory to date, as they have all bin through the same process to be called theories. Evolution has bin observed and has bin proven.

There are two kinds of evolution, evolution as theory and evolution as fact. I'm discussing about people denying the existence of a Creator and claiming evolution as truth and fact. Which you clearly said that evolution doesn't disapprove God.

That's all.

[QUOTE="duncancameron23"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

Science has never proven that we came from monkeys or other things about the origins of life. You can believe that if you want, that's your choice.

ASK_Story

Okay then. Science has never proven we came from a single cell spore, amoeba, bacteria, virus, whatever.

Show me that proof. You can't can you.

Oh it happened billions and billions of years ago. Really? Were you alive billions of years ago? Were the scientists who wrote the textbooks or does research alive billions on years ago?

Why are you so desperate to believe there's a God? What do you need him for? (Id just like to know, if you don't mind)

It's your choice or my choice to believe in God or not.

All I'm trying to do is challenge the people in these boards who claim that evolution is truth.

My take is, since evolution hasn't been completely proven or disapproven, it can't be claimed as truth. That's all I'm trying to point out.

I understand that but i could easily use the same argument about Jesus as it's now been proved from records that he wasn't even born in Bethlehem yet it's claimed as truth (links can be found in the God delusion by Richard Dawson). Evolution is founded on the best evidence we have. The bible is based on sketchy evedence at best and whatever personal believe scribes had about God etc for the last 900 years and then stayed roughly the same after the Gutenberg press was invented.

But if you don't mind me being picky id still like to know why your choice was to belive in God.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I'm seeing both sides. And my conclusion is, it takes faith for both.

DeeJayInphinity

You haven't read any of my posts. I said you can't prove or disapprove evolution, and likewise, you can't prove or disapprove the existence of a Creator.

Therefore, it takes faith to believe in a Creator or in evolution.

What or who you believe is up to you.

Does it prove that there's no God?

See ASK_Story, the reason that the evolution vs creationism debate is still going on is because the creationist havent got the slightest clue on evolution, just like yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't be making rediculous statements like "oh how did life come to be" and "prove that humans evolved from monkeys", because evolution:

1. Does not touch the subject of the origin of life, Abiogenesis does (bet you haven't even heard of Abiogenesis but w/e)

2. The theory of evolution doesn't state half the jargon you like to state it does.

Creationists just have a limitless suply of **** to pull out of their asses and at one point or the other it gets completely pointless to debate them. Evolution has bin observed, yet you still deny it. A chicken would be more likely to try and understand a thing or two about science than you and some other creationists.

astiop

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I'm seeing both sides. And my conclusion is, it takes faith for both.

ASK_Story

You haven't read any of my posts. I said you can't prove or disapprove evolution, and likewise, you can't prove or disapprove the existence of a Creator.

Therefore, it takes faith to believe in a Creator or in evolution.

What or who you believe is up to you.

Does it prove that there's no God?

You can't 100% disprove anything.. so.. no.

[QUOTE="astiop"]

See ASK_Story, the reason that the evolution vs creationism debate is still going on is because the creationist havent got the slightest clue on evolution, just like yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't be making rediculous statements like "oh how did life come to be" and "prove that humans evolved from monkeys", because evolution:

1. Does not touch the subject of the origin of life, Abiogenesis does (bet you haven't even heard of Abiogenesis but w/e)

2. The theory of evolution doesn't state half the jargon you like to state it does.

Creationists just have a limitless suply of **** to pull out of their asses and at one point or the other it gets completely pointless to debate them. Evolution has bin observed, yet you still deny it. A chicken would be more likely to try and understand a thing or two about science than you and some other creationists.

Silenthps

Microevolution and macroevolution are the same process. Looks like evolution is true after all. ;)

Does it prove that there's no God?

ASK_Story

[QUOTE="astiop"]

See ASK_Story, the reason that the evolution vs creationism debate is still going on is because the creationist havent got the slightest clue on evolution, just like yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't be making rediculous statements like "oh how did life come to be" and "prove that humans evolved from monkeys", because evolution:

1. Does not touch the subject of the origin of life, Abiogenesis does (bet you haven't even heard of Abiogenesis but w/e)

2. The theory of evolution doesn't state half the jargon you like to state it does.

Creationists just have a limitless suply of **** to pull out of their asses and at one point or the other it gets completely pointless to debate them. Evolution has bin observed, yet you still deny it. A chicken would be more likely to try and understand a thing or two about science than you and some other creationists.

Silenthps

[QUOTE="astiop"]

See ASK_Story, the reason that the evolution vs creationism debate is still going on is because the creationist havent got the slightest clue on evolution, just like yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't be making rediculous statements like "oh how did life come to be" and "prove that humans evolved from monkeys", because evolution:

1. Does not touch the subject of the origin of life, Abiogenesis does (bet you haven't even heard of Abiogenesis but w/e)

2. The theory of evolution doesn't state half the jargon you like to state it does.

Creationists just have a limitless suply of **** to pull out of their asses and at one point or the other it gets completely pointless to debate them. Evolution has bin observed, yet you still deny it. A chicken would be more likely to try and understand a thing or two about science than you and some other creationists.

Silenthps

Did you just call evolution a story and microevolution "one small part" of it? It's retarded to say evolution has bin proven or observed? Go say that to all the scientists who actually observed and proved it. There is nothing in comon between science and jesus. All you got going for you is the Bible, all science has going for it is proof and facts, backed up by years and years of study and research.

You people spit in the faces of the people who try to push humanity forward and try to answer some of our biggest questions, and when they do, you take a massive dump all over their hard work and tremendous effort, and take the word of a book filled with fairytales instead.

To shame. You make me sick, every single one of you who pollute this world with your ignorance. I'm done with all these creationist threads. There is no further point in spending another second arguing with you.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="duncancameron23"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

Science has never proven that we came from monkeys or other things about the origins of life. You can believe that if you want, that's your choice.

duncancameron23

Okay then. Science has never proven we came from a single cell spore, amoeba, bacteria, virus, whatever.

Show me that proof. You can't can you.

Oh it happened billions and billions of years ago. Really? Were you alive billions of years ago? Were the scientists who wrote the textbooks or does research alive billions on years ago?

Why are you so desperate to believe there's a God? What do you need him for? (Id just like to know, if you don't mind)

It's your choice or my choice to believe in God or not.

All I'm trying to do is challenge the people in these boards who claim that evolution is truth.

My take is, since evolution hasn't been completely proven or disapproven, it can't be claimed as truth. That's all I'm trying to point out.

I understand that but i could easily use the same argument about Jesus as it's now been proved from records that he wasn't even born in Bethlehem yet it's claimed as truth (links can be found in the God delusion by Richard Dawson). Evolution is founded on the best evidence we have. The bible is based on sketchy evedence at best and whatever personal believe scribes had about God etc for the last 900 years and then stayed roughly the same after the Gutenberg press was invented.

But if you don't mind me being picky id still like to know why your choice was to belive in God.

Simple. God is in the details. I look at all the wonderful and amazing beautiful animals in nature and I just wonder at its incredible design. I doubted if God existed once too, I admit that. But whenever I see a bird flying through the air or a spider weave its web, or ants living as one organism without a leader to guide them, or the eyes of a bald eagle looking straight at me in those National Geographic pictures, I just sit speechless to how amazing they are designed.

That's why I'm convinced that someone, a Creator, must've designed these animals and insects. I just can't believe it came about by chance. There's too much design. It's too beautiful. It's to impossible for me to comprehed how these animals and insects existed out of nothingness.

Same thing with my little niece or my nephews. Human reproduction is to difficult to understand. Science may explain how it takes place but yet we still marvel everytime it happens, saying "it's the miracle of life."

That's why I know that there's a Creator. And it's not just the animals or nature, but the mountains, oceans, galaxies, stars, the sun, etc. Even the plants and trees. Like the avacado how it's full of oil and nutrients whereas the pomegranate has thousands of little fruit like seeds inside its shell. It's too beautifully designed. How can I convince myself that it all happened by chance or came about out of nothingness? There's got to be a higher purpose to it.

I'm not forcing or trying to convince anyone to believe in God. I'm just challenging those who say that there is no Creator. That's all.

[QUOTE="duncancameron23"]Why are you so desperate to believe there's a God? What do you need him for? (Id just like to know, if you don't mind)

ASK_Story

It's your choice or my choice to believe in God or not.

All I'm trying to do is challenge the people in these boards who claim that evolution is truth.

My take is, since evolution hasn't been completely proven or disapproven, it can't be claimed as truth. That's all I'm trying to point out.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

I'm being a little sarcastic.

ASK_Story

Does it matter really? What matters is if it's truth or not.

But it's not proven so whether I say monkeys, a single cell, or even from aliens, it doesn't matter because it isn't truth.

When it comes to dodging the question, you're a freaking genius. :lol:

You should be in politics.

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Does it prove that there's no God?

DeeJayInphinity

That's what I'm trying to point out here.

If you read my posts, all I'm saying is that since evolution nor creation is proven or disapproved, it also means that there's the possiblity of a Creator.

Simple. God is in the details. I look at all the wonderful and amazing beautiful animals in nature and I just wonder at its incredible design. I doubted if God existed once too, I admit that. But whenever I see a bird flying through the air or a spider weave its web, or ants living as one organism without a leader to guide them, or the eyes of a bald eagle looking straight at me in those National Geographic pictures, I just sit speechless to how amazing they are designed.ASK_Story

The theories of abiogenesis and evolution can give you the answers to that also.

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"]

Does it prove that there's no God?

ASK_Story

That's what I'm trying to point out here.

If you read my posts, all I'm saying is that since evolution nor creation is proven or disapproved, it also means that there's the possiblity of a Creator.

[QUOTE="astiop"]

See ASK_Story, the reason that the evolution vs creationism debate is still going on is because the creationist havent got the slightest clue on evolution, just like yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't be making rediculous statements like "oh how did life come to be" and "prove that humans evolved from monkeys", because evolution:

1. Does not touch the subject of the origin of life, Abiogenesis does (bet you haven't even heard of Abiogenesis but w/e)

2. The theory of evolution doesn't state half the jargon you like to state it does.

Creationists just have a limitless suply of **** to pull out of their asses and at one point or the other it gets completely pointless to debate them. Evolution has bin observed, yet you still deny it. A chicken would be more likely to try and understand a thing or two about science than you and some other creationists.

Silenthps

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Simple. God is in the details. I look at all the wonderful and amazing beautiful animals in nature and I just wonder at its incredible design. I doubted if God existed once too, I admit that. But whenever I see a bird flying through the air or a spider weave its web, or ants living as one organism without a leader to guide them, or the eyes of a bald eagle looking straight at me in those National Geographic pictures, I just sit speechless to how amazing they are designed.luke1889

The theories of abiogenesis and evolution can give you the answers to that also.

It also presents more questions.

Since it's a limited field of research and difficult to study, even though it impacted biology, they're mostly hypothesis NOT fact or truth.

Some people say abiogenesis is impossible. I'm speaking neutrally here and not from a creationist point of view.

Just a thought.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]

[QUOTE="astiop"]

See ASK_Story, the reason that the evolution vs creationism debate is still going on is because the creationist havent got the slightest clue on evolution, just like yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't be making rediculous statements like "oh how did life come to be" and "prove that humans evolved from monkeys", because evolution:

1. Does not touch the subject of the origin of life, Abiogenesis does (bet you haven't even heard of Abiogenesis but w/e)

2. The theory of evolution doesn't state half the jargon you like to state it does.

Creationists just have a limitless suply of **** to pull out of their asses and at one point or the other it gets completely pointless to debate them. Evolution has bin observed, yet you still deny it. A chicken would be more likely to try and understand a thing or two about science than you and some other creationists.

Mr_sprinkles

Actually if you knew anything you would know that Volcanoes are the reason we are here today. Life nearly did not exist if it wasn't for volcanoes erupting releasing precious carbon dioxide which is essential for life to exist in the first place. If it wasn't for those volcanoes relasing C02 which then created the earths atmosphere which then led to water, none of us would be here today. So are the volcanoes god?

[QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Simple. God is in the details. I look at all the wonderful and amazing beautiful animals in nature and I just wonder at its incredible design. I doubted if God existed once too, I admit that. But whenever I see a bird flying through the air or a spider weave its web, or ants living as one organism without a leader to guide them, or the eyes of a bald eagle looking straight at me in those National Geographic pictures, I just sit speechless to how amazing they are designed.ASK_Story

The theories of abiogenesis and evolution can give you the answers to that also.

It also presents more questions.

Since it's a limited field of research and difficult to study, even though it impacted biology, they're mostly hypothesis NOT fact or truth.

Some people say abiogenesis is impossible. I'm speaking neutrally here and not from a creationist point of view.

Just a thought.

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Simple. God is in the details. I look at all the wonderful and amazing beautiful animals in nature and I just wonder at its incredible design. I doubted if God existed once too, I admit that. But whenever I see a bird flying through the air or a spider weave its web, or ants living as one organism without a leader to guide them, or the eyes of a bald eagle looking straight at me in those National Geographic pictures, I just sit speechless to how amazing they are designed.Mr_sprinkles

The theories of abiogenesis and evolution can give you the answers to that also.

It also presents more questions.

Since it's a limited field of research and difficult to study, even though it impacted biology, they're mostly hypothesis NOT fact or truth.

Some people say abiogenesis is impossible. I'm speaking neutrally here and not from a creationist point of view.

Just a thought.

I'm talking about abiogenesis here.

[QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Simple. God is in the details. I look at all the wonderful and amazing beautiful animals in nature and I just wonder at its incredible design. I doubted if God existed once too, I admit that. But whenever I see a bird flying through the air or a spider weave its web, or ants living as one organism without a leader to guide them, or the eyes of a bald eagle looking straight at me in those National Geographic pictures, I just sit speechless to how amazing they are designed.ASK_Story

The theories of abiogenesis and evolution can give you the answers to that also.

It also presents more questions.

Since it's a limited field of research and difficult to study, even though it impacted biology, they're mostly hypothesis NOT fact or truth.

Some people say abiogenesis is impossible. I'm speaking neutrally here and not from a creationist point of view.

Just a thought.

I guess that's fair enough. Just so you know...evolution is considered scientific fact by the scientific community and if you're not part of that, of course you'll disagree.

Abiogenesis is a little less concrete but it's the best we've got given the evidence and until something contradictory comes along. And we'll certainly keep on searching.

The thing with science is it never claims to have devine truth. All it does is reach educated conclusions based on evidence and observation. When all scientists do it look at what is before them, I struggle to see how you can refuse it so violently.

[QUOTE="Silenthps"]

[QUOTE="astiop"]

See ASK_Story, the reason that the evolution vs creationism debate is still going on is because the creationist havent got the slightest clue on evolution, just like yourself. Otherwise you wouldn't be making rediculous statements like "oh how did life come to be" and "prove that humans evolved from monkeys", because evolution:

1. Does not touch the subject of the origin of life, Abiogenesis does (bet you haven't even heard of Abiogenesis but w/e)

2. The theory of evolution doesn't state half the jargon you like to state it does.

Creationists just have a limitless suply of **** to pull out of their asses and at one point or the other it gets completely pointless to debate them. Evolution has bin observed, yet you still deny it. A chicken would be more likely to try and understand a thing or two about science than you and some other creationists.

zakkro

Cosmic Evolution

Chemical Evolution

Abiogenisis aka Organic Evolution

and all other forms of evolution. Whereas evolutionist tend to only focus on micro and macroevolution because they have no evidence for any of the other forms. And they would rather laugh at a creationist for saying evolution has not been proven when they could actually be mature and say to the creationist "When I say evolution has been proven I am only talking about micro, I agree that all the other forms have not been proven."

[QUOTE="Mr_sprinkles"][QUOTE="ASK_Story"][QUOTE="luke1889"]

[QUOTE="ASK_Story"]Simple. God is in the details. I look at all the wonderful and amazing beautiful animals in nature and I just wonder at its incredible design. I doubted if God existed once too, I admit that. But whenever I see a bird flying through the air or a spider weave its web, or ants living as one organism without a leader to guide them, or the eyes of a bald eagle looking straight at me in those National Geographic pictures, I just sit speechless to how amazing they are designed.ASK_Story

The theories of abiogenesis and evolution can give you the answers to that also.

It also presents more questions.

Since it's a limited field of research and difficult to study, even though it impacted biology, they're mostly hypothesis NOT fact or truth.

Some people say abiogenesis is impossible. I'm speaking neutrally here and not from a creationist point of view.

Just a thought.

I'm talking about abiogenesis here.