Does anyone actually think Obama will lose re-election?

He will most likely win a by a close margin.

Anything can happen. It certainly won't be the landslide he enjoyed against McCain, if he did win.

Life would be fantastic if Republicans get control.

Anything can happen. It certainly won't be the landslide he enjoyed against McCain, if he did win.

Life would be fantastic if Republicans get control.

airshocker

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="Mafiree"] Asking someone not participate in an election because of their viewpoints...........Abbeten

My classy-ness is being evaluated on gamespot? #Soscared

But seriously, youre voting against the president for no reason other than the other guy ISNT the president? What if Mitt Romney is worse? His foreign policy is garbage. No, Im sorry, Climate Change is not a hoax you right-wing morons. Gay people are equal people, and youre all assh*les, go home.

In other news, the job report for late August comes in tomorrow. Gallup is predicting it to be 8.1%, lower than it was in late-July and mid-August. If the unemployment rate drops from here to November 6th, the entire Romney campaign will fall apart because they have absolutely nothing else to run on.princeofshapeir

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Some might say that saying someone is wrong and suggesting that they should not vote is better than passing legislation preventing them from voting. Which is, actually, what the GOP has done in multiple states this cycle with multiple laws attempting to prevent people from voting. I'm not saying that a general message of: "You're dumb and your views are stupid. Please don't vote." Is probably not the most fair minded and constructive of viewpoints. But if you think that poster was classless, then how much WORSE is it when the conservative party in the United States isn't just SAYING that, they're actively trying to LEGISLATE that?Shmiity

My classy-ness is being evaluated on gamespot? #Soscared

But seriously, youre voting against the president for no reason other than the other guy ISNT the president? What if Mitt Romney is worse? His foreign policy is garbage. No, Im sorry, Climate Change is not a hoax you right-wing morons. Gay people are equal people, and youre all assh*les, go home.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"] Some might say that saying someone is wrong and suggesting that they should not vote is better than passing legislation preventing them from voting. Which is, actually, what the GOP has done in multiple states this cycle with multiple laws attempting to prevent people from voting. I'm not saying that a general message of: "You're dumb and your views are stupid. Please don't vote." Is probably not the most fair minded and constructive of viewpoints. But if you think that poster was classless, then how much WORSE is it when the conservative party in the United States isn't just SAYING that, they're actively trying to LEGISLATE that?nocoolnamejim

You guys seriously made 2 pages quoting me? He is voting for stupid reasons; thats as far as I went. Of course everyone should go out and vote- but some people are seriously misguided and uninformed when it comes to voting on anything. MITT ROMNEY ISNT BARACK- SO IM VOTING FOR HIM. Jesus Christ, that's purely a partisan vote, with no mind for anything else. Yes, my response to that would be: Turn in your voting rights and go home. Because youre an ass hat.

Mmm yes all those austerity measures. Life would be pretty peachy.Abbeten

Oh man, I can't get anymore handouts from the government! Somebody call the waahmbulance!

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]Mmm yes all those austerity measures. Life would be pretty peachy.airshocker

Oh man, I can't get anymore handouts from the government! Somebody call the waahmbulance!

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]Mmm yes all those austerity measures. Life would be pretty peachy.airshocker

Oh man, I can't get anymore handouts from the government! Somebody call the waahmbulance!

Airshocker, are you serious when you say some of these things? Some people need help. Yeah, sure, some people abuse the system. But some poor citizens need assistance. You would deny them?

You're adorable. Further depressing demand is bad for everyone. And if Romney carries out his stated plan, he's not going to just be gutting entitlement programs. He's going to be gutting basically everything. Abbeten

I actually didn't hear austerity mentioned much during the Republican convention. Not quite sure what you're talking about.

I actually didn't hear austerity mentioned much during the Republican convention. Not quite sure what you're talking about.

airshocker

the reason austerity wasn't mentioned was because before the European debt crisis most of the american population probably hadn't heard the word in regard to fiscally conservative policies of slashing government spending as a solution to the deficit. Plus austerity is a part of current economic thought while the republicans are still stuck on the whole debunked supply side economic theories of every thing can be solved with a tax cut

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]You're adorable. Further depressing demand is bad for everyone. And if Romney carries out his stated plan, he's not going to just be gutting entitlement programs. He's going to be gutting basically everything. airshocker

I actually didn't hear austerity mentioned much during the Republican convention. Not quite sure what you're talking about.

Airshocker, are you serious when you say some of these things? Some people need help. Yeah, sure, some people abuse the system. But some poor citizens need assistance. You would deny them?

Shmiity

It's better than being apathetic to the crisis, like the many users on this forum. I only see the bad apples, like the guy in the Garden department at my local Home Depot who is constantly bragging to me about being on unemployment benefits while also working there AND waiting for his pension to kick in by working part-time at another place.

So yeah, I'm kind of leaning towards killing off the programs, or at least cutting them back SO MUCH that only the very worthy can receive them.

[QUOTE="Shmiity"]

Airshocker, are you serious when you say some of these things? Some people need help. Yeah, sure, some people abuse the system. But some poor citizens need assistance. You would deny them?

airshocker

It's better than being apathetic to the crisis, like the many users on this forum. I only see the bad apples, like the guy in the Garden department at my local Home Depot who is constantly bragging to me about being on unemployment benefits while also working there AND waiting for his pension to kick in by working part-time at another place.

So yeah, I'm kind of leaning towards killing off the programs, or at least cutting them back SO MUCH that only the very worthy can receive them.

Do you dislike gay people, and deny climate change, too? Did one bad gay person ruin your whole outlook much like the person you just talked about?

...You mean you've missed Romney's entire economic platform hitherto? He said he wants government spending to fall below 20% of GDP by 2016 while defense spending gets bumped up to 4%. He also said he would do this without touching medicare or social security. This means that non-defense discretionary spending gets slashed by 40% or thereabouts. Say goodbye to the post office and the FDA and the SEC and the VA and infrastructure safety and any semblance of a functioning national government. And say hello to mass layoffs and even lower demand. Like I said, life would be peachy.Abbeten

You fit in pretty well as a fear-mongerer.

Do you dislike gay people, and deny climate change, too? Did one bad gay person ruin your whole outlook much like the person you just talked about?

Shmiity

Thankfully somebody being gay doesn't cost me money, so I don't much care about it.

People have such a hard time separating anecdotes from data.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3677

90% of entitlement spending goes to working households, the elderly, and the disabled.

But a few people abuse the system!Therefore we need to get rid of all of it and screw over the vast majority of recipients who actually need it!

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]...You mean you've missed Romney's entire economic platform hitherto? He said he wants government spending to fall below 20% of GDP by 2016 while defense spending gets bumped up to 4%. He also said he would do this without touching medicare or social security. This means that non-defense discretionary spending gets slashed by 40% or thereabouts. Say goodbye to the post office and the FDA and the SEC and the VA and infrastructure safety and any semblance of a functioning national government. And say hello to mass layoffs and even lower demand. Like I said, life would be peachy.airshocker

You fit in pretty well as a fear-mongerer.

People have such a hard time separating anecdotes from data.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3677

90% of entitlement spending goes to working households, the elderly, and the disabled.

But a few people abuse the system!Therefore we need to get rid of all of it and screw over the vast majority of recipients who actually need it!

Abbeten

No, not just because some abuse the system, but because the system costs too much and we can't afford it.

How is this fear mongering?This is literally his budget plan. I am not making these numbers up. These are straight from his mouth. Please tell me, where am I wrong?

Abbeten

I'm questioning your understanding of his budget plan. You can quote someone verbatim all you want, that doesn't make your analysis correct. You're the one proposing doom and gloom. That makes you as crazy as some of the Republicans saying this nation will be destroyed under four more years of Obama.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]

People have such a hard time separating anecdotes from data.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3677

90% of entitlement spending goes to working households, the elderly, and the disabled.

But a few people abuse the system!Therefore we need to get rid of all of it and screw over the vast majority of recipients who actually need it!

airshocker

No, not just because some abuse the system, but because the system costs too much and we can't afford it.

How does it cost too much? It's the most modest safety net of any developed country. Medicare is more efficient than private sector insurance. Food stamps stimulates the economy by greater than a dollar for every dollar spent. Social Security has reduces elderly poverty rates from 1 in 2 to 1 in 8. And we should just scrap it all and further explode the already enormous gap between rich and poor?Abbeten

Only in your world is more people on food stamps a good thing. How pathetic.

Herpa derp, lets make the government provide for everything! What do we even need an economy for anyway?!

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]

How is this fear mongering?This is literally his budget plan. I am not making these numbers up. These are straight from his mouth. Please tell me, where am I wrong?

airshocker

I'm questioning your understanding of his budget plan. You can quote someone verbatim all you want, that doesn't make your analysis correct. You're the one proposing doom and gloom. That makes you as crazy as some of the Republicans saying this nation will be destroyed under four more years of Obama.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]How does it cost too much? It's the most modest safety net of any developed country. Medicare is more efficient than private sector insurance. Food stamps stimulates the economy by greater than a dollar for every dollar spent. Social Security has reduces elderly poverty rates from 1 in 2 to 1 in 8. And we should just scrap it all and further explode the already enormous gap between rich and poor?airshocker

Only in your world is more people on food stamps a good thing. How pathetic.

It is his stated plan to cut total federal spending and raise defense spending. It is arithmetic that this would translate to a 40% across the board cut to federal agencies. It is basic business that most of these agencies would fail with an effectively halved budget, or at the very least provide an infinitely inferior service. Would you care to make any specific criticisms of this analysis? Or would you prefer to pretend that everything will be rosy in the face of draconian budget cuts?Abbeten

I'm still waiting for you to actually prove a word that you're saying. I don't need your biased analysis.

What an excellent strawman! I would actually prefer far fewer people to be on food stamps. But that's because I'd rather the poverty rate be much lower, rather than restricting aid to the poor. Dismantling food stamps just sweeps them under the rug, it doesn't make them any richer. I'd prefer to try to alleviate a problem rather than pretend it does not exist.Abbeten

That's not what it seems like from here.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]It is his stated plan to cut total federal spending and raise defense spending. It is arithmetic that this would translate to a 40% across the board cut to federal agencies. It is basic business that most of these agencies would fail with an effectively halved budget, or at the very least provide an infinitely inferior service. Would you care to make any specific criticisms of this analysis? Or would you prefer to pretend that everything will be rosy in the face of draconian budget cuts?airshocker

I'm still waiting for you to actually prove a word that you're saying. I don't need your biased analysis.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]What an excellent strawman! I would actually prefer far fewer people to be on food stamps. But that's because I'd rather the poverty rate be much lower, rather than restricting aid to the poor. Dismantling food stamps just sweeps them under the rug, it doesn't make them any richer. I'd prefer to try to alleviate a problem rather than pretend it does not exist.airshocker

That's not what it seems like from here.

If you want the summary, it's here. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/14/romneys-budget-plan-is-a-fantasy/ Unless you'd prefer calculations.Abbeten

Oh please. Get back to me when there's actually something to calculate. Like an ACTUAL BUDGET!

Seems like you just stopped reading my post there. Can you at least pretend to argue in good faith?Abbeten

When you stop with the fear-mongering, absolutely.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]If you want the summary, it's here. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/14/romneys-budget-plan-is-a-fantasy/ Unless you'd prefer calculations.airshocker

Oh please. Get back to me when there's actually something to calculate. Like an ACTUAL BUDGET!

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]Seems like you just stopped reading my post there. Can you at least pretend to argue in good faith?airshocker

When you stop with the fear-mongering, absolutely.

Life would be fantastic if Republicans get control.airshocker

I really do think Obama will loose.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]How does it cost too much? It's the most modest safety net of any developed country. Medicare is more efficient than private sector insurance. Food stamps stimulates the economy by greater than a dollar for every dollar spent. Social Security has reduces elderly poverty rates from 1 in 2 to 1 in 8. And we should just scrap it all and further explode the already enormous gap between rich and poor?Abbeten

Only in your world is more people on food stamps a good thing. How pathetic.

Can he, yes.

His saintly wave of change has been brocken by the rocky shoarline of reality.

That said, with Romney as his opponet the odds are good he will win re-election bar a pre-election controversey(say a Katrina like event)

[QUOTE="airshocker"]Life would be fantastic if Republicans get control.Jebus213

I thought that all the republicans candidates were religious nut jobs?

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]Mmm yes all those austerity measures. Life would be pretty peachy.airshocker

Oh man, I can't get anymore handouts from the government! Somebody call the waahmbulance!

[QUOTE="Abbeten"]How does it cost too much? It's the most modest safety net of any developed country. Medicare is more efficient than private sector insurance. Food stamps stimulates the economy by greater than a dollar for every dollar spent. Social Security has reduces elderly poverty rates from 1 in 2 to 1 in 8. And we should just scrap it all and further explode the already enormous gap between rich and poor?airshocker

Only in your world is more people on food stamps a good thing. How pathetic.

Herpa derp, lets make the government provide for everything! What do we even need an economy for anyway?!

Anything can happen. It certainly won't be the landslide he enjoyed against McCain, if he did win.

Life would be fantastic if Republicans get control.

airshocker

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Anything can happen. It certainly won't be the landslide he enjoyed against McCain, if he did win.

Life would be fantastic if Republicans get control.

chessmaster1989

Based on both Romney and Ryan's budget plans and the fact that he is a middle class police officer they will most probably raise his effective tax rate and/or cut his salary and retirement benefits.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="airshocker"]

Anything can happen. It certainly won't be the landslide he enjoyed against McCain, if he did win.

Life would be fantastic if Republicans get control.

Barbariser

Based on both Romney and Ryan's budget plans and the fact that he is a middle class police officer they will most probably raise his effective tax rate and/or cut his salary and retirement benefits.

If that's the case he'll find the R-R term...

:sunglasses:

quite a shocker.

YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[spoiler] My post was meant purely for a bad pun and not for analysis of the R-R plan :P [/spoiler]

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Anything can happen. It certainly won't be the landslide he enjoyed against McCain, if he did win.

Life would be fantastic if Republicans get control.

chessmaster1989

I'd like to know that myself.

[QUOTE="airshocker"]

Anything can happen. It certainly won't be the landslide he enjoyed against McCain, if he did win.

Life would be fantastic if Republicans get control.

chessmaster1989