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I think its odd, but Dream Theater is classified as Metal nowadays, not progressiveOblivionfan10
That's weird. They're definitely porgressive, especially their latest album.
[QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"]I think its odd, but Dream Theater is classified as Metal nowadays, not progressiveGuppy507
That's weird. They're definitely porgressive, especially their latest album.
10 minutes of technical wankery isn't really progressive[QUOTE="Guppy507"][QUOTE="Oblivionfan10"]I think its odd, but Dream Theater is classified as Metal nowadays, not progressiveDivergeUnify
That's weird. They're definitely porgressive, especially their latest album.
10 minutes of technical wankery isn't really progressiveLong insturmental sections is a big part of progressive music, along with the frequent time signature changes, and non-standard (verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus) song structure.
I'm sure we can both agree there's a difference between a well-written instrumental, and a song with about 5 different bridges consisting of technical wankery that in no way flows or connects to one another.Long insturmental sections is a big part of progressive music, along with the frequent time signature changes, and non-standard (verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus) song structure.
Guppy507
I'm sure we can both agree there's a difference between a well-written instrumental, and a song with about 5 different bridges consisting of technical wankery that in no way flows or connects to one another.[QUOTE="Guppy507"]
Long insturmental sections is a big part of progressive music, along with the frequent time signature changes, and non-standard (verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus) song structure.
DivergeUnify
There is indeed a difference. However, they're both still progressive.
In the case of Dream Theater, the only parts of their songs that irritate me is the random guitar solos. Petrucci is an amazing guitarist, but he doesn't write very good solos. Their instrumental passages are great, unless they're guitar solos, like the last 2-3 minutes of A Nightmare to Remember.
I'm sure we can both agree there's a difference between a well-written instrumental, and a song with about 5 different bridges consisting of technical wankery that in no way flows or connects to one another. I don't know, I think that Dream Theater's Change of Seasons is one of the most well written pieces in Progressive rock.[QUOTE="Guppy507"]
Long insturmental sections is a big part of progressive music, along with the frequent time signature changes, and non-standard (verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus) song structure.
DivergeUnify
I'm sure we can both agree there's a difference between a well-written instrumental, and a song with about 5 different bridges consisting of technical wankery that in no way flows or connects to one another.[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]
[QUOTE="Guppy507"]
Long insturmental sections is a big part of progressive music, along with the frequent time signature changes, and non-standard (verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus) song structure.
Guppy507
There is indeed a difference. However, they're both still progressive.
In the case of Dream Theater, the only parts of their songs that irritate me is the random guitar solos. Petrucci is an amazing guitarist, but he doesn't write very good solos. Their instrumental passages are great, unless they're guitar solos, like the last 2-3 minutes of A Nightmare to Remember.
Nowadays, Petrucci is hellbent in showing people he can play. In the earlier albums, he would play with some restraint, and had some really awesome ideas.[QUOTE="Guppy507"]
[QUOTE="mexicangordo"] I didnt know Tool was progressive at all...
mexicangordo
Yep, they're progressive rock. Damn, I haven't listened to Tool is a long time...
Really? I know your the Prog rock guy of these forums guppy but ive been a long time Tool fan (since 95) and I always classified them as more of "art rock" Thats rather interesting though.The terms "prog" and "art rock" are just forms of self glorification. An attempt to distinguish themselves from others. Alot of bands which called themselves porogative rehashed the same sound over and over again, and I wont offer any examples as I might upset some people. Very few "prog"bands have actually had any real impact on music to push it in any direction, so it's a false term most of the time. Other bands may prefer to call themselves "Art Rock" but it means the same thing, it's just slightly more modest. I don't see either as a real genre.
King Crimson did some good stuff, and some, uh, intresting stuff. They have had a big influence on alot of modern musicians and their first album was brilliant. Alot of their stuff does sound like they are getting carried away with themselves, which happens quite alot with similar bands.
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[QUOTE="Guppy507"]
Long insturmental sections is a big part of progressive music, along with the frequent time signature changes, and non-standard (verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus) song structure.
I'm sure we can both agree there's a difference between a well-written instrumental, and a song with about 5 different bridges consisting of technical wankery that in no way flows or connects to one another.There is indeed a difference. However, they're both still progressive.
In the case of Dream Theater, the only parts of their songs that irritate me is the random guitar solos. Petrucci is an amazing guitarist, but he doesn't write very good solos. Their instrumental passages are great, unless they're guitar solos, like the last 2-3 minutes of A Nightmare to Remember.
The Continuum solo and blast beat make that last few minutes of ANTR bearable. It does go on a tad bit too long. If your my brother, he thinks that the atmospheric part of The Count of Tuscany needs to be cut out. Even though I told him there's emotion behind it and represents Petrucci being alone before he felt he was going to diePlease Log In to post.
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