Do you follow the "Ladies first" rule?

Only to women who don't want or expect to be pampered. Doing it to the ones that expect to be treated like a princess from a Disney movie... Urgh. *shudder*

Aquat1cF1sh

Yes, as probably one of the only gentlemen left on this planet I feel it necessary to be poilte to women. Not for the old Victorian reasoning based on the superiority of men but because I just feel it is my duty as a man to be polite, nice and kind to women.foxhound_fox

What reason would one have to be polite to women where one isn't polite to men that isn't borne from some impression that women are fragile creatures who must be taken care of by big, strong men?

Really, that's where the whole business of chivalry comes from. If women want to be equal, they ought to pull their own weight; otherwise, I don't see how they can complain when men don't take them seriously.

What reason would one have to be polite to women where one isn't polite to men that isn't borne from some impression that women are fragile creatures who must be taken care of by big, strong men?

Really, that's where the whole business of chivalry comes from. If women want to be equal, they ought to pull their own weight; otherwise, I don't see how they can complain when men don't take them seriously.

GabuEx

I don't feel like it has anything to do with being "strong" but just wanting to be nice to people.foxhound_fox

Well of course being nice to people is good, but this is basically talking about being nice specifically to women and not doing the same thing for a man in the same position. That's the part that I don't get.

Chivalry died long ago. If women want equal rights, they must truly try to see themselves as equals in all respects. They can't have their cake and eat it too.burpysmurph

this

Ladies first only when I'm trying to hit it

Doors? Yes

But anything else, not really. Theyre people, just like me (only they have vaginas!), so I dont see why they should get pampered. I mean, I am polite and if they ask for assistance or anything I would be happy to help, but I wont let them go ahead of me when I am in line at the store for example, and if I am talking to friends at the bar I wont move out of their way unless they ask; in that case, I smile, make eye contact, and say "sure, no problem". You'd be suprised how many women you meet simply with that little gesture.

Nah, I usually hold it open for old people, or people with their hands full, and if there is someone coming in right behind me I'll usually swing it open more so it doesn't slam in their face

I used to until I got my heart broken over and over. Now I treat 'em like guys since they wanted equality. The sad thing is, I get more respect that way.DJCUEBALL

It's sad to get respect for treating women as equals? :P

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I don't feel like it has anything to do with being "strong" but just wanting to be nice to people.GabuEx

Well of course being nice to people is good, but this is basically talking about being nice specifically to women and not doing the same thing for a man in the same position. That's the part that I don't get.

I have to go against you Gabu on this one. Here in Arkansas, the women almost expect it. Is that fair, probably not, but to me it's more about showing whomever I'm opening the door for that life isn't moving so fast and I'm not in such a hurry that I can slow down and be polite even if for just a very short period of time.

Nah man. In fact I make chicks open the door for me.

I only hold the door is its dangerous for the incoming person not to do so. No matter if is male or female.

[QUOTE="DJCUEBALL"]I used to until I got my heart broken over and over. Now I treat 'em like guys since they wanted equality. The sad thing is, I get more respect that way.GabuEx

It's sad to get respect for treating women as equals? :P

You get more respect from them when you treat them like crap. Sad, but true and it works.

Kind of, but I'll hold the door for guys too so...SolidSnake35

rule #52 of the unwritten man book:

Never hold the door for a guy, just when you walk through give an extra effort in holding the door open as you pass to show respect. NEVER stand there and hold a door for a guy.

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Kind of, but I'll hold the door for guys too so...Premier1101

rule #52 of the unwritten man book:

Never hold the door for a guy, just when you walk through give an extra effort in holding the door open as you pass to show respect. NEVER stand there and hold a door for a guy.

[QUOTE="Premier1101"]

[QUOTE="SolidSnake35"]Kind of, but I'll hold the door for guys too so...SolidSnake35

rule #52 of the unwritten man book:

Never hold the door for a guy, just when you walk through give an extra effort in holding the door open as you pass to show respect. NEVER stand there and hold a door for a guy.

ah. I stand there and let a girl go first if she is attractive... cant say no to eye contact and the ability to check her out afterwards.... and then they think you are all gentlemanly, when actually its a bit pervy :P

ah. I stand there and let a girl go first if she is attractive... cant say no to eye contact and the ability to check her out afterwards.... and then they think you are all gentlemanly, when actually its a bit pervy :PPremier1101

[QUOTE="Premier1101"]ah. I stand there and let a girl go first if she is attractive... cant say no to eye contact and the ability to check her out afterwards.... and then they think you are all gentlemanly, when actually its a bit pervy :PSolidSnake35

lol. I take my advantages... I need some fantasy for my alone time with my strong hand....

I first started to ignore the ladies first rule after I noticed something. I would walk down the street, and totally be on my side. Yet a group of two ladies would be walking shoulder to shoulder for example, and I would get out of the way for them.

Well, I got a little tired of it so I decided to stop doing it. I still feel guilty about it when a girl expects me to get out of her way, I dont, and she bumps into me. But I simply ask "you ok?" and they either show their true colors (suprisingly, they often reply "oh, excuse me" rather than "watch it, fatass") or simply keep walking.

As for the Age before Beauty rule, I tend to follow that a little bit more. Older ladies tend to have class and an appreciation for good manners, whereas girls my age dont. Sorry, you dont like what I am saying, but such has been my obervations and experiences

depends really. onlyw ith women who act like ladies

Of course.

Most of the time, I don't actually stand at the door though, just hold the door while I am walking buy.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I don't feel like it has anything to do with being "strong" but just wanting to be nice to people.btaylor2404

Well of course being nice to people is good, but this is basically talking about being nice specifically to women and not doing the same thing for a man in the same position. That's the part that I don't get.

I have to go against you Gabu on this one. Here in Arkansas, the women almost expect it. Is that fair, probably not, but to me it's more about showing whomever I'm opening the door for that life isn't moving so fast and I'm not in such a hurry that I can slow down and be polite even if for just a very short period of time.

But why do it just for women? That's what I'm talking about. I'm all for opening a door for someone out of politeness and to be a nice guy, but do the same for men, too. Unless women are somehow less capable of opening doors than men are, I don't see any reason to differentiate between the two.

[QUOTE="btaylor2404"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]I don't feel like it has anything to do with being "strong" but just wanting to be nice to people.GabuEx

Well of course being nice to people is good, but this is basically talking about being nice specifically to women and not doing the same thing for a man in the same position. That's the part that I don't get.

I have to go against you Gabu on this one. Here in Arkansas, the women almost expect it. Is that fair, probably not, but to me it's more about showing whomever I'm opening the door for that life isn't moving so fast and I'm not in such a hurry that I can slow down and be polite even if for just a very short period of time.

But why do it just for women? That's what I'm talking about. I'm all for opening a door for someone out of politeness and to be a nice guy, but do the same for men, too. Unless women are somehow less capable of opening doors than men are, I don't see any reason to differentiate between the two.

You're applying logic to an instinctive impulse, to act kindly towards members of the opposite sex. Chivalry is born from men wanting to feel good about themselves by being polite and respectful to women. It is perhaps an illogical, and irrational thing, but it just kinda comes naturally.MetalGear_Ninty

obviously not, or he'd be agreeing with you.