Do you consider rap as music?

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#201 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="AngelNeo00"] I think the main reason why people hate mainstream music ( Mily Cyrus , Lil Wayne and Jonas brothers) because of the sole fact it is mainstream to be honest. Don't get me wrong I dislike most mainstream music as well but I do not think it is bad because if it was truly terrible than no one would listen to it anyways. It wouldn't be mainstream if it was so bad.

AngelNeo00

No, popular =/= good. If it were, The Dark Knight would probably be considered the best movie ever :lol:

And Popular =/= bad as well. Just to add to your statement Again although it my opinion, I believe that just because something is popular doesn't makes it bad. If a lot of people are truly enjoying Lil Wayne and Jonas brothers than it must have some type of element that makes it good music for those people.

Whoever said poluar is bad? I can sure as hell tell you I never said that.

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#202 DazedDarkness
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="AngelNeo00"] I think the main reason why people hate mainstream music ( Mily Cyrus , Lil Wayne and Jonas brothers) because of the sole fact it is mainstream to be honest. Don't get me wrong I dislike most mainstream music as well but I do not think it is bad because if it was truly terrible than no one would listen to it anyways. It wouldn't be mainstream if it was so bad.

AngelNeo00

No, popular =/= good. If it were, The Dark Knight would probably be considered the best movie ever :lol:

And Popular =/= bad as well. Just to add to your statement Again although it my opinion, I believe that just because something is popular doesn't makes it bad. If a lot of people are truly enjoying Lil Wayne and Jonas brothers than it must have some type of element that makes it good music for those people.

What popular artist, that get radio play, and spot on the MTV are their now days? I want to know, and no not popular amongst Indie, hipster circles, or metal head circles. What band, rapper, or who ever in the mainstream now are not redundant are making anything unique. What female artist isn't following in Beyonce's lead? What band isn't being new Fall Out Boy or Nickel Back? Come on I', waiting for these "Good" artist in the mainstream.
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#203 AngelNeo00
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[QUOTE="AngelNeo00"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Vocals aren't the main feature of metal (unlike rap), as I've already said. ;)

chessmaster1989

Good point. However, rap vocals are far more poetic and talented than metal vocals.;) Just to get my point across.

That's because metal bands don't focus on having good vocals. This is the third time I've said that in this thread. :|

Anyway, if you want fantastic vocals, listen to Dylan. I guarantee you his lyrics blow any rap lyrics out of the water.

And I told you I said that just to get my original point across :|

Anyways, when you say Dylan blows away any rap lyrics what are you basing your statement on? The substance of the lyrics or the ryhmes?

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#204 htekemerald
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[QUOTE="htekemerald"]

well music usually makes a point about something.

so no.

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This makes no point about anything ?

aswell as people who make music usually have some form of talent.

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[QUOTE="AngelNeo00"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

No, popular =/= good. If it were, The Dark Knight would probably be considered the best movie ever :lol:

DazedDarkness

And Popular =/= bad as well. Just to add to your statement Again although it my opinion, I believe that just because something is popular doesn't makes it bad. If a lot of people are truly enjoying Lil Wayne and Jonas brothers than it must have some type of element that makes it good music for those people.

What popular artist, that get radio play, and spot on the MTV are their now days? I want to know, and no not popular amongst Indie, hipster circles, or metal head circles. What band, rapper, or who ever in the mainstream now are not redundant are making anything unique. What female artist isn't following in Beyonce's lead? What band isn't being new Fall Out Boy or Nickel Back? Come on I', waiting for these "Good" artist in the mainstream.

Ne yo is a great RB singer that has radio play and has been on BET many times. Of course "good" is subjective. He was at the BET awards and did very good.

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#206 Shhadow_Viper
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[QUOTE="AngelNeo00"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Vocals aren't the main feature of metal (unlike rap), as I've already said. ;)

chessmaster1989

Good point. However, rap vocals are far more poetic and talented than metal vocals.;) Just to get my point across.

That's because metal bands don't focus on having good vocals. This is the third time I've said that in this thread. :|

Anyway, if you want fantastic vocals, listen to Dylan. I guarantee you his lyrics blow any rap lyrics out of the water.

I can think of many lyricist in different genres I would take over Dylan. What many people seem to not acknowledge is that good and bad are subjective terms. Also just because popular does not equal good neccessarily, popular also does not equal bad. Something can be popular and good.
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#208 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="AngelNeo00"] Good point. However, rap vocals are far more poetic and talented than metal vocals.;) Just to get my point across.

AngelNeo00

That's because metal bands don't focus on having good vocals. This is the third time I've said that in this thread. :|

Anyway, if you want fantastic vocals, listen to Dylan. I guarantee you his lyrics blow any rap lyrics out of the water.

And I told you I said that just to get my original point across :|

Anyways, when you say Dylan blows away any rap lyrics what are you basing your statement on? The substance of the lyrics or the ryhmes?

Substance, obviously... :|

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Why do we keep making these threads talking about rappers and rap music.. this is a huge form of discrimination if you ask me. Just listen to what u listen to and shut up. I listen to all types of music (Rap,Hip-Hop, Techno,Metal, Rock)... but i hate country. You dont see me making hate topics about country singers and their music... I just don't listen to it, so its out of my life completely. Free speech is a gift but stop abusing it... this topic has been done billions of times already, grow up.
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#210 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="AngelNeo00"] Good point. However, rap vocals are far more poetic and talented than metal vocals.;) Just to get my point across.

Shhadow_Viper

That's because metal bands don't focus on having good vocals. This is the third time I've said that in this thread. :|

Anyway, if you want fantastic vocals, listen to Dylan. I guarantee you his lyrics blow any rap lyrics out of the water.

I can think of many lyricist in different genres I would take over Dylan. What many people seem to not acknowledge is that good and bad are subjective terms. Also just because popular does not equal good neccessarily, popular also does not equal bad. Something can be popular and good.

No kidding, I said that in one of my posts already. :|

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#211 DazedDarkness
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You know what, forget it. Music tasted is subjective, like what you like. Personally I think metal sucks, I can't stand it At the same time I think most rap sucks, I'l continue listening to radio head, common, Mos def, Daft Punk, Kid Cudi, The Beatles, and even Blink 182 all I want. I don't care what you listen to, just don't force it on me, and call my music taste bad because it's not what you like.

Metal heads, and hip-hop lovers, tug hard and get you heads out of that smelly place, that's under your back.

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[QUOTE="DazedDarkness"][QUOTE="AngelNeo00"] And Popular =/= bad as well. Just to add to your statement Again although it my opinion, I believe that just because something is popular doesn't makes it bad. If a lot of people are truly enjoying Lil Wayne and Jonas brothers than it must have some type of element that makes it good music for those people. Hungry_Jello

What popular artist, that get radio play, and spot on the MTV are their now days? I want to know, and no not popular amongst Indie, hipster circles, or metal head circles. What band, rapper, or who ever in the mainstream now are not redundant are making anything unique. What female artist isn't following in Beyonce's lead? What band isn't being new Fall Out Boy or Nickel Back? Come on I', waiting for these "Good" artist in the mainstream.

Ne yo is a great RB singer that has radio play and has been on BET many times. Of course "good" is subjective. He was at the BET awards and did very good.

I forgot about Ne-Yo, his rendition of "Lady in my life" was great, I loved and own his first and 2nd CD also. So I should shut up
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#214 MrPraline
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You know what, forget it. DazedDarkness
Agreed. I'm done with this thread.
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#215 zepman71
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OK, so we've established that rap is music...about a million pages ago. Why wasn't this closed?-_-

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Classical as in one person playing an individual instrument? There's a lot to learn there, theory, reading music, and generally being able to play well, instrument maintenance. Hip Hop is similar in that many Hip Hop artists, though they might not play an instrument, they do things with their voice most cIassical musicians could never do.

I don't understand what you mean by this. I hope you are not comparing a hip hop voice to a well playedclasical instrument.:?

Rapping is tiring, it's difficult, and it's insanely hard to memorize lyrics and spit them at rates of 100bpm without a hiccup day in and day out. There's a handful of Hip Hop artists too who produce their own music which also requires music theory, though different from what cIassical musicians learn.

Rapping COULD be tiring, it COULD be hard to memorize. Doesn't mean all rap is like that. All of the majorclasical musicians made their own, unique compositions from their own minds, singlehandedly.

It's no slouch though, producing Hip Hop beats well is an art form, it takes massive amounts of time and it takes a lot of years to learn the best combinations.

I agree somewhat.

I will say though that cIassical instrument playing takes more practice over any music genre but since cIassical isn't a popular art form today, it's kind of obselete.

This statement is laughable and I won't get into it.


As for metal, you could bring up the whole 'they play their own instruments!' argument but it's not one guy playing four instruments, it's four people while a Hip Hop artist may just be one man. There are tons of Hip Hop groups though that use live instruments like Jay-Z and The Roots but that's besides the point.

I don't understand the point at all. Bands are a group of musicians. Rappers are not. I will say that truly exceptional bands must be on the same page and have great chemestry to make the music they do.

Hip Hop vocals take as much and sometimes more then metal vocalists. It's a different type of vocal styIe for sure but from the metal songs I see, a lot of the lyrics take a more poetic structure whereas Hip Hop songs can sometimes run up to 400-600 words. Hip Hop vocals also have to have a great flow which is also seen in metal as well.

Saying words very fast is better than a metal singer giving his voice his all how? The styl*s are not the same, but you present only opinion in this regard. Bruce Dickenson, Geoff Tate and other rock vocalists deliver tremendous amounts of soul and energy in their singing. Speed does not equal "better".

As for the instruments argument, I'll use the example of production again. Being a great producer is like learning an instrument and an artist that can produce well is equal to an artist that plays an instrument deftly.

I highly disagree. A producer does not pursue the craft of producing the way a guitarist or bassist does in their respective instruments. It's not just complexity I'm reffering to either. It's also reaching new sounds and breaking the molds previously set by other works. Also, most metal bands have a heavy hand in the production side as well. Metal bands sing the songs, write the music and play the instruments while being tight in their playing with each other. You have no basis forsome of thestatements you made.

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#217 Shhadow_Viper
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[QUOTE="Shhadow_Viper"][QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

That's because metal bands don't focus on having good vocals. This is the third time I've said that in this thread. :|

Anyway, if you want fantastic vocals, listen to Dylan. I guarantee you his lyrics blow any rap lyrics out of the water.

chessmaster1989

I can think of many lyricist in different genres I would take over Dylan. What many people seem to not acknowledge is that good and bad are subjective terms. Also just because popular does not equal good neccessarily, popular also does not equal bad. Something can be popular and good.

No kidding, I said that in one of my posts already. :|

I saw that after I posted. :| This thread is moving quickly.
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#218 AngelNeo00
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[QUOTE="AngelNeo00"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

That's because metal bands don't focus on having good vocals. This is the third time I've said that in this thread. :|

Anyway, if you want fantastic vocals, listen to Dylan. I guarantee you his lyrics blow any rap lyrics out of the water.

chessmaster1989

And I told you I said that just to get my original point across :|

Anyways, when you say Dylan blows away any rap lyrics what are you basing your statement on? The substance of the lyrics or the ryhmes?

Substance, obviously... :|

Dude no:|

Rap lyrics contain substance from almost every issues,politics, hardships and basic facts of life. Basically hip hop contains so many lyrics that you wouldnt be hard press not to find good lyrics that are irrelavant. If anything Tupac lyrical substance is probably one of the best ever.

Anyways, this argument wont get us anywhere as music is base on personal preferance.

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#219 BlackHawk340
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Rap to me is nothing more then people complaining on how hard their live is in the bronc or whatever.

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Do you consider a dog to be a reptile?

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no, a dog is a plant,.............LOL

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absolutely, why wouldn't I
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#222 Kid-Icarus-
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So many generalizations, stereotypes and ill-informed opinions.

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#223 chessmaster1989
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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

[QUOTE="AngelNeo00"]

And I told you I said that just to get my original point across :|

Anyways, when you say Dylan blows away any rap lyrics what are you basing your statement on? The substance of the lyrics or the ryhmes?

AngelNeo00

Substance, obviously... :|

Dude no:|

Rap lyrics contain substance from almost every issues,politics, hardships and basic facts of life. Basically hip hop contains so many lyrics that you wouldnt be hard press not to find good lyrics that are irrelavant. If anything Tupac lyrical substance is probably one of the best ever.

Anyways, this argument wont get us anywhere as music is base on personal preferance.

I've listened to Tupac, he's one of the few rappers I admire (though I lost interest in his songs). And, yes, I do say Dylan beats Tupac (and all other rap I've heard) in terms of substance. Have you listened to Blowin' In The Wind or A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall (two name just two of his many spectacular songs)?

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Of course it's music. You'd have to be a very closed-minded person to say that it isn't. Hell, I HATE Soulja Boy, but I acknlowedge the fact that he makes music. He makes very BAD music, but he still makes music nonetheless.
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#225 AngelNeo00
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[QUOTE="AngelNeo00"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]

Substance, obviously... :|

chessmaster1989

Dude no:|

Rap lyrics contain substance from almost every issues,politics, hardships and basic facts of life. Basically hip hop contains so many lyrics that you wouldnt be hard press not to find good lyrics that are irrelavant. If anything Tupac lyrical substance is probably one of the best ever.

Anyways, this argument wont get us anywhere as music is base on personal preferance.

I've listened to Tupac, he's one of the few rappers I admire (though I lost interest in his songs). And, yes, I do say Dylan beats Tupac (and all other rap I've heard) in terms of substance. Have you listened to Blowin' In The Wind or A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall (two name just two of his many spectacular songs)?

I have some familiarity with Robert Dylan base on my popular music class last year. But anyways, those two songs were base on the Vietnam war which was popularly unpopular. However, it very hard to compare whether his lyrics had more substance than Tupac because they came from a different era. Both of there lyrics have great substance. However, there substance are base on different issues. I think a far better comparison would be either a singer/rock-star's lyrics from the same era as Tupac or someone from the same era as Bob Dylan.

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#226 joesh89
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Of course its music, what a stupid question.

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#227 smokingsbad
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Of course its music, Just because you don't like it, it doesn't mean its not music >.>
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#228 ragek1ll589
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Of course it's music.

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#229 TBoogy
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No, I've never considered it "music" really all rappers do these days are make words rhym and they make little to no sense.

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MOst song lyrics rhyme. That has very little to do with what rap is.

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#230 1hit
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Rap is music, because it requires talent.

Simple as that.

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#231 Jamiemydearx3
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Of course it is, even more so then Screamo and such.

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I dont know about that, but rap is most def music.

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#232 TBoogy
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Of course not , its just plain talking with computer generated sound tracks (both rap and hiphop)

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Yeah...the computer made the tracks. Timbaland, Dre, Kanye, etc. had nothing to do with it. Just the little cyber people. The computer knows what we want. All hail the mighty computers.

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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]

Classical as in one person playing an individual instrument? There's a lot to learn there, theory, reading music, and generally being able to play well, instrument maintenance. Hip Hop is similar in that many Hip Hop artists, though they might not play an instrument, they do things with their voice most cIassical musicians could never do.

I don't understand what you mean by this. I hope you are not comparing a hip hop voice to a well playedclasical instrument.:?

Rapping is tiring, it's difficult, and it's insanely hard to memorize lyrics and spit them at rates of 100bpm without a hiccup day in and day out. There's a handful of Hip Hop artists too who produce their own music which also requires music theory, though different from what cIassical musicians learn.

Rapping COULD be tiring, it COULD be hard to memorize. Doesn't mean all rap is like that. All of the majorclasical musicians made their own, unique compositions from their own minds, singlehandedly.

It's no slouch though, producing Hip Hop beats well is an art form, it takes massive amounts of time and it takes a lot of years to learn the best combinations.

I agree somewhat.

I will say though that cIassical instrument playing takes more practice over any music genre but since cIassical isn't a popular art form today, it's kind of obselete.

This statement is laughable and I won't get into it.


As for metal, you could bring up the whole 'they play their own instruments!' argument but it's not one guy playing four instruments, it's four people while a Hip Hop artist may just be one man. There are tons of Hip Hop groups though that use live instruments like Jay-Z and The Roots but that's besides the point.

I don't understand the point at all. Bands are a group of musicians. Rappers are not. I will say that truly exceptional bands must be on the same page and have great chemestry to make the music they do.

Hip Hop vocals take as much and sometimes more then metal vocalists. It's a different type of vocal styIe for sure but from the metal songs I see, a lot of the lyrics take a more poetic structure whereas Hip Hop songs can sometimes run up to 400-600 words. Hip Hop vocals also have to have a great flow which is also seen in metal as well.

Saying words very fast is better than a metal singer giving his voice his all how? The styl*s are not the same, but you present only opinion in this regard. Bruce Dickenson, Geoff Tate and other rock vocalists deliver tremendous amounts of soul and energy in their singing. Speed does not equal "better".

As for the instruments argument, I'll use the example of production again. Being a great producer is like learning an instrument and an artist that can produce well is equal to an artist that plays an instrument deftly.

I highly disagree. A producer does not pursue the craft of producing the way a guitarist or bassist does in their respective instruments. It's not just complexity I'm reffering to either. It's also reaching new sounds and breaking the molds previously set by other works. Also, most metal bands have a heavy hand in the production side as well. Metal bands sing the songs, write the music and play the instruments while being tight in their playing with each other. You have no basis forsome of thestatements you made.

FFCYAN

U must not think some hip hop artist dont play in a band together for example the roots crew they play "together" just like any other rock based band

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#234 1hit
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[QUOTE="garaa2007"]

Of course not , its just plain talking with computer generated sound tracks (both rap and hiphop)

TBoogy

Yeah...the computer made the tracks. Timbaland, Dre, Kanye, etc. had nothing to do with it. Just the little cyber people. The computer knows what we want. All hail the mighty computers.

Could not have said it any better

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#235 mlisen
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Rap by itself (like in rap-battles) isn't music I don't think. I would say that's closer to poetry. Perhaps with a backing track or band it is.
Although, I do consider singers to be musicians so I guess I'll say that rappers are musicians.

And I'm not being biased, I listen to rap as well.

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#236 TBoogy
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[QUOTE="pianist"]

As of now there are 12 people who don't know what they're talking about. Rap is indeed music. If you argue that rap is not music because all it has is a beat, then you must also dismiss all other forms of unpitched percussion music, because they too use only rhythm and are in most cases quite repetitive. Organized rhythm is a fundamental characteristic of purposefully organized sound (some would argue it is the most basic and crucial characteristic in fact), and any purposefully organized sound is definitely music.

There is no room for opinion here. If you vote "No," you are casting a vote for ignorance. And I hate rap music.

MrPraline

I agree. Just to make this a little more interesting, would you consider a rapper a musician, because he only raps while the beats you are talking about are usually created by somebody else? I see rap as music by the way, just not my favorite genre.

A rapper is not a musician. He is a rapper. Closer in relation to a spoken word artist than a guitar player.

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[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]

[QUOTE="Toriko42"]

Classical as in one person playing an individual instrument? There's a lot to learn there, theory, reading music, and generally being able to play well, instrument maintenance. Hip Hop is similar in that many Hip Hop artists, though they might not play an instrument, they do things with their voice most cIassical musicians could never do.

I don't understand what you mean by this. I hope you are not comparing a hip hop voice to a well playedclasical instrument.:?

Rapping is tiring, it's difficult, and it's insanely hard to memorize lyrics and spit them at rates of 100bpm without a hiccup day in and day out. There's a handful of Hip Hop artists too who produce their own music which also requires music theory, though different from what cIassical musicians learn.

Rapping COULD be tiring, it COULD be hard to memorize. Doesn't mean all rap is like that. All of the majorclasical musicians made their own, unique compositions from their own minds, singlehandedly.

It's no slouch though, producing Hip Hop beats well is an art form, it takes massive amounts of time and it takes a lot of years to learn the best combinations.

I agree somewhat.

I will say though that cIassical instrument playing takes more practice over any music genre but since cIassical isn't a popular art form today, it's kind of obselete.

This statement is laughable and I won't get into it.


As for metal, you could bring up the whole 'they play their own instruments!' argument but it's not one guy playing four instruments, it's four people while a Hip Hop artist may just be one man. There are tons of Hip Hop groups though that use live instruments like Jay-Z and The Roots but that's besides the point.

I don't understand the point at all. Bands are a group of musicians. Rappers are not. I will say that truly exceptional bands must be on the same page and have great chemestry to make the music they do.

Hip Hop vocals take as much and sometimes more then metal vocalists. It's a different type of vocal styIe for sure but from the metal songs I see, a lot of the lyrics take a more poetic structure whereas Hip Hop songs can sometimes run up to 400-600 words. Hip Hop vocals also have to have a great flow which is also seen in metal as well.

Saying words very fast is better than a metal singer giving his voice his all how? The styl*s are not the same, but you present only opinion in this regard. Bruce Dickenson, Geoff Tate and other rock vocalists deliver tremendous amounts of soul and energy in their singing. Speed does not equal "better".

As for the instruments argument, I'll use the example of production again. Being a great producer is like learning an instrument and an artist that can produce well is equal to an artist that plays an instrument deftly.

I highly disagree. A producer does not pursue the craft of producing the way a guitarist or bassist does in their respective instruments. It's not just complexity I'm reffering to either. It's also reaching new sounds and breaking the molds previously set by other works. Also, most metal bands have a heavy hand in the production side as well. Metal bands sing the songs, write the music and play the instruments while being tight in their playing with each other. You have no basis forsome of thestatements you made.

Norg

U must not think some hip hop artist dont play in a band together for example the roots crew they play "together" just like any other rock based band

You're right. I was just going by what he said. I've seen rap artists in groups before. They didn't play any instruments however.

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#238 dan-rofl-copter
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Yeh of course I do, there isn't any genre I wouldn't and don't see how you can. Also rap rules.

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#239 JML897
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Of course not , its just plain talking with computer generated sound tracks (both rap and hiphop)

TBoogy

Yeah...the computer made the tracks. Timbaland, Dre, Kanye, etc. had nothing to do with it. Just the little cyber people. The computer knows what we want. All hail the mighty computers.

And while we're at it, every guitarist in the world isn't talented. The guitar makes the music!

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#240 Toriko42
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[QUOTE="Norg"]

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]

FFCYAN

U must not think some hip hop artist dont play in a band together for example the roots crew they play "together" just like any other rock based band

You're right. I was just going by what he said. I've seen rap artists in groups before. They didn't play any instruments however.

A rap group is as talented as any band, they have to feed off eachother and have a very common bond to work well together. If they aren't feeling eachother they're going to suck, just like any band.

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#241 Funky_Llama
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Yes. Mostly not very good music, but music nonetheless.
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#242 MgamerBD
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Why sholdn't it be considered music? Because it is.
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#243 StrawberryHill
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It's not my favorite kind of music, but it is music. I like a lot of the rap from the 1990s, but most of the new artists I've heard can't hold a candle.

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#244 theharlemshake
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[QUOTE="Toriko42"]

As for the instruments argument, I'll use the example of production again. Being a great producer is like learning an instrument and an artist that can produce well is equal to an artist that plays an instrument deftly.

I highly disagree. A producer does not pursue the craft of producing the way a guitarist or bassist does in their respective instruments. It's not just complexity I'm reffering to either. It's also reaching new sounds and breaking the molds previously set by other works. Also, most metal bands have a heavy hand in the production side as well. Metal bands sing the songs, write the music and play the instruments while being tight in their playing with each other. You have no basis forsome of thestatements you made.

FFCYAN





Just throwing this out there, but I'm unaware of any (at least popular) prodcuers that don't know how to play at least one musical instrument. I (and I'm sure the producers themselves) would attribute their success to knowing how to play either piano, guitar, or the drums, if not all or some other combination.

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#245 bokiloki
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the only people that say no, are ignorants who think every rapper only raps about sex, money, girls etc. just like rock music the commercial music you hear on the radio is crap, underground is where you will find the best artists.

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#246 lm2f
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I consider it "retards prompting poetry"
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#247 789shadow
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No. Get a beat, put in some talking, there you go.

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#248 OnlyKurial
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Falsetto + Drum Beat =/= MUSIC

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#249 Darth-Caedus
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Yes, mostly dull and uninteresting music, but music.
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#250 weezyfb
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this topic is full of fail