Did God create time?

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] So God waited an infinite amount of time before creating our universe? How does that make sense?tenaka2

So god does not consist of matter?

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] So God waited an infinite amount of time before creating our universe? How does that make sense?BluRayHiDef

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] If it was before the universe then God didn't wait any time. If there exists no matter there exists no time and thus God did not have to wait. It's difficult for us living in time to consider how a creature could live apart from time, that existence would be like nothing we have ever experienced. ferrari2001

So god does not consist of matter?

So you are saying that God doesn't matter?

[QUOTE="BranKetra"][QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

Here is what the Bible says about Yahweh (Jehovah). [Quote="Psalms"]1 O Jehovah, you yourself have proved to be a real dwelling for us During generation after generation. 2 Before the mountains themselves were born, Or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, EVEN FROM TIME INDEFINITE TO TIME INDEFINITE YOU ARE GOD.BluRayHiDef

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] If it was before the universe then God didn't wait any time. If there exists no matter there exists no time and thus God did not have to wait. It's difficult for us living in time to consider how a creature could live apart from time, that existence would be like nothing we have ever experienced. ferrari2001

So god does not consist of matter?

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="tenaka2"]

So god does not consist of matter?

chaoscougar1

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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"] If it was before the universe then God didn't wait any time. If there exists no matter there exists no time and thus God did not have to wait. It's difficult for us living in time to consider how a creature could live apart from time, that existence would be like nothing we have ever experienced. ferrari2001

So god does not consist of matter?

6 Now it came to be the day when the SONS of the [true] God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and even Satan proceeded to enter right among them.Job 1

That is what the monotheistic religions teach. God is Eternal and therefore outside of time which is something He created.

The belief that Jesus is God and one of the persons in the supposed Triune Godhead was developed centuries AFTER the inception of Christianity.BluRayHiDef

There was no time until the industrial revolution. Before that it was work from dawn to dusk.

However, Jesus, as already stated, is unique among God's sons, above all the rest because he is God's Firstborn (i.e. God's first creation [Colossians 1:15]). BluRayHiDef

Proverbs 8 says otherwise.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]However, Jesus, as already stated, is unique among God's sons, above all the rest because he is God's Firstborn (i.e. God's first creation [Colossians 1:15]). br0kenrabbit

Proverbs 8 says otherwise.

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[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]However, Jesus, as already stated, is unique among God's sons, above all the rest because he is God's Firstborn (i.e. God's first creation [Colossians 1:15]). champion837

Proverbs 8 says otherwise.

Proverbs 8 is the Lady Wisdom speaking:

8:12 I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence;I possess knowledge and discretion.

She later goes on to tell us:

8:22-31

The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be. When there were no watery depths, I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water; before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth,before he made the world or its fields or any of the dust of the earth. I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command,and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.Then I was constantly at his side. I was filled with delight day after day,rejoicing always in his presence,rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]The belief that Jesus is God and one of the persons in the supposed Triune Godhead was developed centuries AFTER the inception of Christianity.champion837

20 I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; 21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth. 22 Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, IN ORDER THAT THEY MAY BE ONE JUST AS WE ARE ONE. 23 I in union with them and you in union with me, in order that they may be perfected into one, that the world may have the knowledge that you sent me forth and that you loved them just as you loved me. 24 John 17

[QUOTE="champion837"][QUOTE="br0kenrabbit"]

Proverbs 8 says otherwise.

br0kenrabbit

Proverbs 8 is the Lady Wisdom speaking:

8:12 I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence;I possess knowledge and discretion.

She later goes on to tell us:

8:22-31

The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be. When there were no watery depths, I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water; before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth,before he made the world or its fields or any of the dust of the earth. I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command,and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.Then I was constantly at his side. I was filled with delight day after day,rejoicing always in his presence,rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.

Notice that in verse 22, Jesus asks the Father that his followers be one just as he and the Father are one. If your (erroneous) interpretation of John 10:30 were correct, then Jesus would be asking the Father that his follwers become one god or lifeform of some sort as he and the Father supposedly are. However, that would be nonsensical. What Jesus is asking for, as is evident in the context of this passage, is that his followers become one in purpose and agreement, as he and the Father are. This is what he meant when he said that he and the Father are one.BluRayHiDef

"They may be one just as we are".

Which means with each other as humans. If what you said were the case then he wouldve plainly said "we all be one", but he didnt. He wants us to be one as humans. We arent the messiah, so therefore we arent God and cant be the same.

according to the bible no...since time existed along with god.

Various quantum particles can be observed which can be said to exist outside of time and can inhabit the same space as other particles. Ace6301

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[QUOTE="champion837"] What verse are you talking about?BluRayHiDef

Proverbs 8 is the Lady Wisdom speaking:

8:12 I, wisdom, dwell together with prudence;I possess knowledge and discretion.

She later goes on to tell us:

8:22-31

The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old; I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be. When there were no watery depths, I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water; before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth,before he made the world or its fields or any of the dust of the earth. I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command,and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.Then I was constantly at his side. I was filled with delight day after day,rejoicing always in his presence,rejoicing in his whole world and delighting in mankind.

Yeshua was female?

Time is a concept.

This is a wrist watch.

no

humans created god.

well if you think "God" exists... who or what else would have made time?

Time is a result of the universe God created. And God obviously exists outside of it.

Not a hard concept.

Neoklondiak

Do you think he did? I think time existed before God, if he exists that is.

Mike-uk

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Do you think he did? I think time existed before God, if he exists that is.

dragonmaster64

nope, time created "god" and time will bring an end to "god" aswell.

in peoples minds and beliefs, I mean.

as it does with everything else.

[QUOTE="Mike-uk"]

Do you think he did? I think time existed before God, if he exists that is.

dragonmaster64

Go into your garden and find a rock, any rock. That rock is older than you, it is your superior. Place the rock in your bedroom and then move into the garden, you are now the rocks servant.

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[QUOTE="Mike-uk"]

Do you think he did? I think time existed before God, if he exists that is.

toast_burner

Go into your garden and find a rock, any rock. That rock is older than you, it is your superior. Place the rock in your bedroom and then move into the garden, you are now the rocks servant.

Time doesn't exist, it's just something we made up to try and measure the effects of gravity on planets and matter.JohnF111

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="chaoscougar1"] So God waited an infinite amount of time before creating our universe? How does that make sense?tenaka2

So god does not consist of matter?

and herein lies the problem with claiming that god(s) exist. They have to be somewhere, made of something and had to come from somwhere. Syaing they are "beyond time and space" and "always were" solves nothing and creates an even large problem than what was trying to be solved.

[QUOTE="Neoklondiak"]

Time is a result of the universe God created. And God obviously exists outside of it.

Not a hard concept.

HoolaHoopMan

Plus, humans have been around for roughly 100,000 to 250,000 years, and only 2000 years ago did he go "well, looks like I should intervene....in the most uneducated part of the world...and never return."

2000 years ago did he go "well, looks like I should intervene....in the most uneducated part of the world...and never return."wis3boi

You have years/time dates wrong. Why do you not like God so much? Did he steal something from you;)

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]2000 years ago did he go "well, looks like I should intervene....in the most uneducated part of the world...and never return."champion837

You have years/time dates wrong. Why do you not like God so much? Did he steal something from you;)

Begone troll

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[QUOTE="wis3boi"]2000 years ago did he go "well, looks like I should intervene....in the most uneducated part of the world...and never return."wis3boi

You have years/time dates wrong. Why do you not like God so much? Did he steal something from you;)

Begone troll

I believe God was always there and the created time in order to have an accurate line of events, or something like that.ShadowsDemon

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]I believe God was always there and the created time in order to have an accurate line of events, or something like that.chaoscougar1

[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]I believe God was always there and the created time in order to have an accurate line of events, or something like that.ShadowsDemon

If God exists, then presumably he created time.

As an aside, I find it funny that people think "God exists outside of time and the universe as we know it" to be a cop out argument for believers. One could rightly assume that a being that created everything exists without any of the constraints that everything else has. That's why debates against the existence of God will rarely (not always, obviously) result in anything other than an agreement to disagree.

Man created time. measuring out life spans of things and keeping track of the past...no thanks i choose not to have time because i choose toplaymynutz

[QUOTE="playmynutz"]Man created time. measuring out life spans of things and keeping track of the past...no thanks i choose not to have time because i choose tochaoscougar1