Off The Books Hip Hop Draft (forget is OTC)

[QUOTE="mowz00"][QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"][QUOTE="mowz00"]

[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]we shouldnt have the option of selecting dead rappersColt45fool

thats what i was thinkin..u can only gauge them by their legacy

We're supposed to drafting artists based on what they've already accomplished, aka their legacies, according to Colt. We're not supposed to be drafting as if we are starting a label tomorrow and trying to draft the best team of the future. He already clarified all of this in the initial thread.

With that being said, drafting dead rappers/producers is perfectly fine.

hash and i both understand this...we just don't agree with it

Because that could be an option, but how many rappers would we really be able to choose from? Sure, there are a ton of rappers out right now, but half of the draft would be full of unknown artists + how many of us really pay attention to rap that much that we can name 90 rappers with the potential to make a c|assic tommorow?

The reason why the previous draft was never finished was because people ran out of emcees to choose from. We choose the same style (dream team style) except with no vocalists, or producers. By the 3rd or 4th round the posters of OTB circa 2005 couldn't think of rappers they wanted to draft. Not that I'm knocking the community of OTB now, but idk if I'd say it's as educated on rap as well as the posters of 2005....especially since so many of you complain about the quality of threads, and discussion here nowadays.

As for running out of emcees, thats understandable...but that shouldn't be much of a problem now. By cutting out 2 rappers for each of the 19 labels, you get about an additional 25-30 free emcess from the older version of this draft...as opposed to 5 additional free dead emcees that have any of their potential recent work exempted because their lives were cut short.

[QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"]

We're supposed to drafting artists based on what they've already accomplished, aka their legacies, according to Colt. We're not supposed to be drafting as if we are starting a label tomorrow and trying to draft the best team of the future. He already clarified all of this in the initial thread. It's like drafting a dream team of Wilt Chamberlain, MJ, Magic Johnson, Bird, and Duncan... rather than a team of the future like Dwight, Durant, Paul, Wade, and Bron.

With that being said, drafting dead rappers/producers is perfectly fine.

elpooz

You fail for not putting Kobe or Lebron on that team of the future...

You fail for not realizing that Bron = Lebron

And Kobe's a 13 year veteran...

I thought this was mostly about which label has the better chance of crafting a classic at this present time. I mean, Eminem and LL  woulda had a better chance if this draft was 5 years ago or more, but now...the likelyhood of that happening is greatly diminished. So the present status of the artists is a fundamental factor in the consistency of a label, so whats the present status of artists that are dead....or who've been dead for more than 10 years??

HaSheeSh_basic

We're doing the draft as if these artists are in their prime. So if you draft Rakim you're not getting Rakim in 2009, you're getting Rakim at his peak in the late 80's.

Same goes with drafting a dead artist. If you draft Dilla you're drafting him in his prime.

Colt discussed all this in the first thread. Otherwise I would've obviously picked different people. He made a big point about saying Rakim is worth more than someone like Drake even though Drake probably has a better chance at making a cIassic in this day and age. We're drafting on accomplishments and not potential.

[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]

I thought this was mostly about which label has the better chance of crafting a classic at this present time. I mean, Eminem and LL  woulda had a better chance if this draft was 5 years ago or more, but now...the likelyhood of that happening is greatly diminished. So the present status of the artists is a fundamental factor in the consistency of a label, so whats the present status of artists that are dead....or who've been dead for more than 10 years??

Orlando_Magic

We're doing the draft as if these artists are in their prime. So if you draft Rakim you're not getting Rakim in 2009, you're getting Rakim at his peak in the late 80's.

Same goes with drafting a dead artist. If you draft Dilla you're drafting him in his prime.

Colt discussed all this in the first thread. Otherwise I would've obviously picked different people. He made a big point about saying Rakim is worth more than someone like Drake even though Drake probably has a better chance at making a cIassic in this day and age. We're drafting on accomplishments and not potential.

[QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"][QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]

I thought this was mostly about which label has the better chance of crafting a classic at this present time. I mean, Eminem and LL  woulda had a better chance if this draft was 5 years ago or more, but now...the likelyhood of that happening is greatly diminished. So the present status of the artists is a fundamental factor in the consistency of a label, so whats the present status of artists that are dead....or who've been dead for more than 10 years??

HaSheeSh_basic

We're doing the draft as if these artists are in their prime. So if you draft Rakim you're not getting Rakim in 2009, you're getting Rakim at his peak in the late 80's.

Same goes with drafting a dead artist. If you draft Dilla you're drafting him in his prime.

Colt discussed all this in the first thread. Otherwise I would've obviously picked different people. He made a big point about saying Rakim is worth more than someone like Drake even though Drake probably has a better chance at making a cIassic in this day and age. We're drafting on accomplishments and not potential.

This is a high reward, high reward pick...

I choose Kool G Rap

[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"][QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"][QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]

I thought this was mostly about which label has the better chance of crafting a classic at this present time. I mean, Eminem and LL woulda had a better chance if this draft was 5 years ago or more, but now...the likelyhood of that happening is greatly diminished. So the present status of the artists is a fundamental factor in the consistency of a label, so whats the present status of artists that are dead....or who've been dead for more than 10 years??

Apocalypse33

We're doing the draft as if these artists are in their prime. So if you draft Rakim you're not getting Rakim in 2009, you're getting Rakim at his peak in the late 80's.

Same goes with drafting a dead artist. If you draft Dilla you're drafting him in his prime.

Colt discussed all this in the first thread. Otherwise I would've obviously picked different people. He made a big point about saying Rakim is worth more than someone like Drake even though Drake probably has a better chance at making a cIassic in this day and age. We're drafting on accomplishments and not potential.

At the same time though, potential should be considered in most picks, considering someone like Drake could come out and drop like 3 or 4 c|assic discs, and own Nas. It's just a matter of, are there emcees out right now that are that good. I mean, Lil' Wayne didn't start making great music until years later, so I suppose we'll see.

[QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"][QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"][QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"]

I thought this was mostly about which label has the better chance of crafting a classic at this present time. I mean, Eminem and LL woulda had a better chance if this draft was 5 years ago or more, but now...the likelyhood of that happening is greatly diminished. So the present status of the artists is a fundamental factor in the consistency of a label, so whats the present status of artists that are dead....or who've been dead for more than 10 years??

Apocalypse33

We're doing the draft as if these artists are in their prime. So if you draft Rakim you're not getting Rakim in 2009, you're getting Rakim at his peak in the late 80's.

Same goes with drafting a dead artist. If you draft Dilla you're drafting him in his prime.

Colt discussed all this in the first thread. Otherwise I would've obviously picked different people. He made a big point about saying Rakim is worth more than someone like Drake even though Drake probably has a better chance at making a cIassic in this day and age. We're drafting on accomplishments and not potential.

Me too, Thats why I got Phonte & Black Milk instead of Biggie and Kool G Rap

pharoahe monchmems_1224

he was 4th on my list, i still have my next 3.

ps. I got my next pick because clot didn't pick him, rape!!

I take Tupac with my next pick :) Tupac + Biggie = own

I pick...

Method Man

[QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"]

I take Tupac with my next pick :) Tupac + Biggie = own

Mkavanaugh77

Thats a wierd choice, i thought you didnt ike Pac

werd, wasn't expecting that Pac choice.

[QUOTE="Mkavanaugh77"][QUOTE="Orlando_Magic"]

I take Tupac with my next pick :) Tupac + Biggie = own

TheHimura

Thats a wierd choice, i thought you didnt ike Pac

werd, wasn't expecting that Pac choice.

I like Pac but I do think he's overrated. However he's a great person to have on your label because not only is he a good rapper but he sells. And he's a great value getting him in the freakin third round of a hip-hop draft. Some of the other rappers/producers I like I know I can get in later rounds anyway.

I choose Wyclef.(rapper)

No one picking him yet is a huge surpise... Wylcef is that ****ing dude on the mic.

[QUOTE="elpooz"]

I choose Wyclef.(rapper)

No one picking him yet is a huge surpise... Wylcef is that ****ing dude on the mic.

Mkavanaugh77

Whoaa kinda of a random choice, I mean he ripped ish apart with the Fugees but man he really isnt considered a good rapper is he?

Dude is still dope imo. Listen to his last few albums (even though pretty much all of them are good)... mos def still has it. Did you not hear him rip Sweetest Girl like... last year?

[QUOTE="elpooz"][QUOTE="Mkavanaugh77"][QUOTE="elpooz"]

I choose Wyclef.(rapper)

No one picking him yet is a huge surpise... Wylcef is that ****ing dude on the mic.

Mkavanaugh77

Whoaa kinda of a random choice, I mean he ripped ish apart with the Fugees but man he really isnt considered a good rapper is he?

Dude is still dope imo. Listen to his last few albums (even though pretty much all of them are good)... mos def still has it. Did you not hear him rip Sweetest Girl like... last year?

sweetest girl?

That remake of Wu-Tang's C.R.E.A.M.... Raekwon was on the remix. I never liked Wyclef as a rapper...

[QUOTE="elpooz"][QUOTE="Mkavanaugh77"][QUOTE="elpooz"]

I choose Wyclef.(rapper)

No one picking him yet is a huge surpise... Wylcef is that ****ing dude on the mic.

Mkavanaugh77

Whoaa kinda of a random choice, I mean he ripped ish apart with the Fugees but man he really isnt considered a good rapper is he?

Dude is still dope imo. Listen to his last few albums (even though pretty much all of them are good)... mos def still has it. Did you not hear him rip Sweetest Girl like... last year?

sweetest girl?

One of the dopest songs of last year...

The remix was dope too. Raekwon ripped his verse

I'm surprised no one picked him before. We are deciding on when they were at their best, right? Wow, what a steal. :P

Jay-Z + RZA + Eminem = :oops:

I'm surprised no one picked him before. We are deciding on when they were at their best, right? Wow, what a steal. :P

Jay-Z + RZA + Eminem = :oops:

Aljosa23

[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

 

I'm surprised no one picked him before. We are deciding on when they were at their best, right? Wow, what a steal. :P

Jay-Z + RZA + Eminem = :oops:

HaSheeSh_basic

i thought the same thing...no offense alj

[QUOTE="mowz00"][QUOTE="HaSheeSh_basic"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

 

I'm surprised no one picked him before. We are deciding on when they were at their best, right? Wow, what a steal. :P

Jay-Z + RZA + Eminem = :oops:

Mkavanaugh77

i thought the same thing...no offense alj

Word, i like the Jay pick but RZA and Em? nah

Maybe it's just my different tastes but Jay and Em will go good on RZA's cinematic-type beats like Rainy Dayz and Wu Gambinos. I still got 2 more picks anyway. :D

i take Mary J. Blige as my vocalist

I first rapper is 50 cent

Who knows if it's actually him in that pic, but I'll go with Doom. :P

Who knows if it's actually him in that pic, but I'll go with Doom. :P

Foolz3h

[QUOTE="Foolz3h"]

Who knows if it's actually him in that pic, but I'll go with Doom. :P

WorstGameEver

Rapper.

You can only have 2 producers anyway can't you?

[QUOTE="WorstGameEver"][QUOTE="Foolz3h"]

Who knows if it's actually him in that pic, but I'll go with Doom. :P

Foolz3h

Rapper.

You can only have 2 producers anyway can't you?

I choose kanye west as a rapper

I choose kanye west as a rapper

forgotitookkanye

[QUOTE="forgotitookkanye"]

I choose kanye west as a rapper

mowz00

[QUOTE="forgotitookkanye"]

I choose kanye west as a rapper

mowz00

Or maybe he assumed that since he was taken as a producer, then it's okay to have him picked as a rapper...which is something I'm unsure of myself

[QUOTE="mowz00"][QUOTE="forgotitookkanye"]

I choose kanye west as a rapper

HaSheeSh_basic

Or maybe he assumed that since he was taken as a producer, then it's okay to have him picked as a rapper...which is something I'm unsure of myself

[QUOTE="WorstGameEver"][QUOTE="Foolz3h"]

Who knows if it's actually him in that pic, but I'll go with Doom. :P

Foolz3h

Rapper.

You can only have 2 producers anyway can't you?

You can have 3 rappers/2 producers, 3 rappers/1 producer/1 singer, or 4 rappers/1 producer.

[QUOTE="mowz00"][QUOTE="forgotitookkanye"]

I choose kanye west as a rapper

HaSheeSh_basic

Or maybe he assumed that since he was taken as a producer, then it's okay to have him picked as a rapper...which is something I'm unsure of myself

it was the latter. 

idk,u can pick someone as a producer then their goen forever.

So does that mean doom and rza are gone too?

i choose Q-Tip then

i choose Q-Tip then

what we got here is failure to communicate

:lol: Taken by WGE.

i choose Q-Tip then

idiot

i choose Q-Tip then

communication breakdown

the first post is your friend

go hang out with him for a couple minutes

sigh,all this is very embarrassing.

ummmmmmmmmmm

i choose

Cee-lo as a rapper