Punch-out!! News: Classic Control officially confirmed!

Whoo yeah! It's on IGN. I'll post the link tomorrow. I'm tired.

But seriously, that was one of my main concerns and we got that cleared up. VERY good news.

EDIT: alright, here's the linkylink: http://wii.ign.com/articles/958/958936p1.html

Just to clarify (some people seemed confused) you can use motion controls OR the NES controls. They're not getting rid of motion controls- that would be silly.

Will this come out after Wii Motion Plus? I hope so. Classic controler to me is just lame. I play the Wii for the Motion Controls. If I want to play with a controller I'll go play my friend's 360.

Will this come out after Wii Motion Plus? I hope so. Classic controler to me is just lame. I play the Wii for the Motion Controls. If I want to play with a controller I'll go play my friend's 360.

Durhamster

[QUOTE="Durhamster"]

Will this come out after Wii Motion Plus? I hope so. Classic controler to me is just lame. I play the Wii for the Motion Controls. If I want to play with a controller I'll go play my friend's 360.

black_ice23

Oh well. Even if theres no Wii Motion Plus it should be a huge upgrade over Wii Sports Boxing.

[QUOTE="black_ice23"][QUOTE="Durhamster"]

Will this come out after Wii Motion Plus? I hope so. Classic controler to me is just lame. I play the Wii for the Motion Controls. If I want to play with a controller I'll go play my friend's 360.

Oh well. Even if theres no Wii Motion Plus it should be a huge upgrade over Wii Sports Boxing.

Whoo yeah! It's on IGN. I'll post the link tomorrow. I'm tired.

But seriously, that was one of my main concerns and we got that cleared up. VERY good news.

blankshore

This kinda... sucks?? I mean, its ok to give the player options, but how can we expect to play original cool games for the Wii if we still retain to old controls?? We gotta try new stuff! Do it right, and you nail it. Do it wrong and there is no point to be in the Wii. There are a bunch of good games with good Wii controls, so make good use of them devs!

Sweet thats good to hear the classic control option will be there. Wii motion controls are fine but I like the option to switch between them.

This kinda... sucks?? I mean, its ok to give the player options, but how can we expect to play original cool games for the Wii if we still retain to old controls?? We gotta try new stuff! Do it right, and you nail it. Do it wrong and there is no point to be in the Wii. There are a bunch of good games with good Wii controls, so make good use of them devs!

dan543

dont you think nintendo is less effect of the revolution of motion controls if they keep adding C Control or C Controller or GC controls into all these games? its making it seem like just in case, but isnt that the reason we bought the Wii for the new way to play, but yet i hear whines for standard controller support so often? outside of SSBB i cant really see why they should keep using it, imagine if they added that support to Wii Sports, MP3, SMG, Mario Strikers, or MK Wii? it would give Devs a reason not really use them, they could be like Nintendo isnt using them why should we, it would give fuel to the fire of the haters who say Wii = GC 1.5 when it clearly isnt, i understand when it just wont work like in say SSBB and certain RPG, but in a sports game like this that has had its genre proved by Wii Boxing to be successful with motion why are they still adding C control support? why go back almost 20 years in control when we are trying to inovate, if it was so good im sure we would be using that control to this dayblack_ice23

I see your point, but I don't agree. With Punch-Out, more than any other game, relies on accuracy and timing. Now, I think that motion controls are an absolute must for this game. This game has to set the standard for all other boxing games to follow. BUT if the controls aren't accurate enough, it's good to have a back-up plan. My main concern is how tiring it would be. I remember when I first got my Wii with Wii Sports my arms were sore from playing so much Wii Boxing. And Wii boxing isn't even that good. I plan on playing Punch-Out with the motion controls, but sometimes you've got to kick back and let your arms relax. I think it's great that they added the option.

[QUOTE="blankshore"]

Whoo yeah! It's on IGN. I'll post the link tomorrow. I'm tired.

But seriously, that was one of my main concerns and we got that cleared up. VERY good news.

channtheman1

Alright smart guy, here's the link http://wii.ign.com/articles/958/958936p1.html

I posted it because I've never posted anything newsworthy before- someone alwaysbeast me to it. If you really cared, couldn't you just go to IGN and look it up yourself?

[QUOTE="black_ice23"]dont you think nintendo is less effect of the revolution of motion controls if they keep adding C Control or C Controller or GC controls into all these games? its making it seem like just in case, but isnt that the reason we bought the Wii for the new way to play, but yet i hear whines for standard controller support so often? outside of SSBB i cant really see why they should keep using it, imagine if they added that support to Wii Sports, MP3, SMG, Mario Strikers, or MK Wii? it would give Devs a reason not really use them, they could be like Nintendo isnt using them why should we, it would give fuel to the fire of the haters who say Wii = GC 1.5 when it clearly isnt, i understand when it just wont work like in say SSBB and certain RPG, but in a sports game like this that has had its genre proved by Wii Boxing to be successful with motion why are they still adding C control support? why go back almost 20 years in control when we are trying to inovate, if it was so good im sure we would be using that control to this dayblankshore

I see your point, but I don't agree. With Punch-Out, more than any other game, relies on accuracy and timing. Now, I think that motion controls are an absolute must for this game. This game has to set the standard for all other boxing games to follow. BUT if the controls aren't accurate enough, it's good to have a back-up plan. My main concern is how tiring it would be. I remember when I first got my Wii with Wii Sports my arms were sore from playing so much Wii Boxing. And Wii boxing isn't even that good. I plan on playing Punch-Out with the motion controls, but sometimes you've got to kick back and let your arms relax. I think it's great that they added the option.

agreed...I don't think they could get the controls precise enough for my tastes. Punch Out has always been about finding that rythm/pattern and sticking to it. It would be fun punching characters with motion, but I still don't think it would register like it should. Especially the nunchuk!

I hope to god they keep the same feel of the original. I loved how it was soooo over exagerating on the characters and their ethnicities lol.

You won't have to worry about that! Have you seen the preview? Croisants (spelling?) and Baggettes fly all over the place when you knock out Glass Joe-who's french. Racism=highly confirmed

I know a lot of you guys wanted this, but screw it. This sucks. I wanted dual wiimotes with motion+ for 1 to 1 punches. I'd much rather that than the original punch out with a new coat of paint.

thats good news

"I know a lot of you guys wanted this, but screw it. This sucks. I wanted dual wiimotes with motion+ for 1 to 1 punches. I'd much rather that than the original punch out with a new coat of paint."

Nobody said you won't get that. There's a good chance there will be motion + and unless I'm horribly mistaken- this is a completely new game. Not just a remake. Please tell me it's not justa remake!

It would also be nice to have Motion Plus compatibility. Although I haven't played Punch Out before, and it may not be fair to say this just yet, but it sounds like it might just be a graphically upgraded rehash with Wii Sports Boxing controls. Dark_Link142

Wii Motion Plus is simply unnecessary for this game. The controls don't require precision in terms of aiming your punches or anything like that. In Punch Out, all you do is punch high or low with your left or right hand, and dodge left, right, or back. That's it. You don't move around in the ring. You don't have special combos. You can't punch somewhere between high and low. It's one or the other.

The simplicity is what makes it so fun. The developer can focus on each opponent's actions, reactions, and special moves without having to worry about where the player is going to move. Again, you'll have to play it to understand. It's pretty accurate to say that it resembles a puzzle game.

As for allowing the option for NES controls or motion controls.... What's with all the negativity here? In this case, it can only be a good thing. I'll probably be using the motion controls all the time, and just like in Mario Kart Wii, most other people here will probably use the traditional controls. I play Mario Kart with the wheel because it's a ton more fun for me, and I assume it'll be the same for Punch Out with motion controls. The other control style is a good option for those who get more enjoyment out of being the absolute best that they can be with the more responsive controls.

[QUOTE="Dark_Link142"]It would also be nice to have Motion Plus compatibility. Although I haven't played Punch Out before, and it may not be fair to say this just yet, but it sounds like it might just be a graphically upgraded rehash with Wii Sports Boxing controls. JordanElek

Wii Motion Plus is simply unnecessary for this game. The controls don't require precision in terms of aiming your punches or anything like that. In Punch Out, all you do is punch high or low with your left or right hand, and dodge left, right, or back. That's it. You don't move around in the ring. You don't have special combos. You can't punch somewhere between high and low. It's one or the other.

The simplicity is what makes it so fun. The developer can focus on each opponent's actions, reactions, and special moves without having to worry about where the player is going to move. Again, you'll have to play it to understand. It's pretty accurate to say that it resembles a puzzle game.

As for allowing the option for NES controls or motion controls.... What's with all the negativity here? In this case, it can only be a good thing. I'll probably be using the motion controls all the time, and just like in Mario Kart Wii, most other people here will probably use the traditional controls. I play Mario Kart with the wheel because it's a ton more fun for me, and I assume it'll be the same for Punch Out with motion controls. The other control style is a good option for those who get more enjoyment out of being the absolute best that they can be with the more responsive controls.

Already beat it multiple times. I wouldn't have wanted something new that pushes the genre forward if I hadn't.

The fact is, the boxing genre hasn't made any advances since the PS2. Now that we have motion+ on the horizon, there is no reason not to create a boxing game with dual wiimotes. This will revolutionize the boxing game genre and make all other forms of boxing games obsolete. Fight Night would be crushed under the sheer might of a boxing game in which your punches are directly translated on screen. Thumbsticks and button presses wouldn't be able to compete.

The scary part is that such a boxing game would EXPLODE onto the mainstream casual bandwagon. It would start with hardcore gamers, spread into frat boy parties, and creep into sight of parents looking to get a good workout.

EDIT: I understand your meaning. But what you're doing is describing the rules that Punch-Out currently adheres to, while I am describing what Punch-Out could become if Nintendo were to redefine everything you know about the boxing genre in general.

The simplicity is what makes it so fun. The developer can focus on each opponent's actions, reactions, and special moves without having to worry about where the player is going to move. Again, you'll have to play it to understand. It's pretty accurate to say that it resembles a puzzle game.

JordanElek

Sounds a little like Smash Bros., in the sense of trying to anticipate your opponents moves.

Seems like a game I could get into.

I'll withdraw my comment and see how the game plays when it's out.

I'll definitely consider downloading Punch Out for VC since it seems very highly praised.

You won't have to worry about that! Have you seen the preview? Croisants (spelling?) and Baggettes fly all over the place when you knock out Glass Joe-who's french. Racism=highly confirmed

blankshore

[QUOTE="channtheman1"][QUOTE="blankshore"]

Whoo yeah! It's on IGN. I'll post the link tomorrow. I'm tired.

But seriously, that was one of my main concerns and we got that cleared up. VERY good news.

blankshore

Alright smart guy, here's the link http://wii.ign.com/articles/958/958936p1.html

I posted it because I've never posted anything newsworthy before- someone alwaysbeast me to it. If you really cared, couldn't you just go to IGN and look it up yourself?

Already beat it multiple times. I wouldn't have wanted something new that pushes the genre forward if I hadn't.

The fact is, the boxing genre hasn't made any advances since the PS2. Now that we have motion+ on the horizon, there is no reason not to create a boxing game with dual wiimotes. This will revolutionize the boxing game genre and make all other forms of boxing games obsolete. Fight Night would be crushed under the sheer might of a boxing game in which your punches are directly translated on screen. Thumbsticks and button presses wouldn't be able to compete.

The scary part is that such a boxing game would EXPLODE onto the mainstream casual bandwagon. It would start with hardcore gamers, spread into frat boy parties, and creep into sight of parents looking to get a good workout.

EDIT: I understand your meaning. But what you're doing is describing the rules that Punch-Out currently adheres to, while I am describing what Punch-Out could become if Nintendo were to redefine everything you know about the boxing genre in general.

A very good point. I couldn't agree with you more. I just don't think that Punch-Out is the game to revolutionize the boxing genre, because it's really more of a puzzle game. It's like asking Super Smash. Bros to revolutionize the fighting genre, or Mario Strikers to revolutionize the soccer genre. There needs to be a boxing game that replicates 1:1 motions, but Punch-Out isn't the franchise to dump that responsibility on- it's just not that kind of game.

[QUOTE="blankshore"]

dont you think nintendo is less effect of the revolution of motion controls if they keep adding C Control or C Controller or GC controls into all these games? its making it seem like just in case, but isnt that the reason we bought the Wii for the new way to play, but yet i hear whines for standard controller support so often? outside of SSBB i cant really see why they should keep using it, imagine if they added that support to Wii Sports, MP3, SMG, Mario Strikers, or MK Wii? it would give Devs a reason not really use them, they could be like Nintendo isnt using them why should we, it would give fuel to the fire of the haters who say Wii = GC 1.5 when it clearly isnt, i understand when it just wont work like in say SSBB and certain RPG, but in a sports game like this that has had its genre proved by Wii Boxing to be successful with motion why are they still adding C control support? why go back almost 20 years in control when we are trying to inovate, if it was so good im sure we would be using that control to this dayblack_ice23

I see your point, but I don't agree. With Punch-Out, more than any other game, relies on accuracy and timing. Now, I think that motion controls are an absolute must for this game. This game has to set the standard for all other boxing games to follow. BUT if the controls aren't accurate enough, it's good to have a back-up plan. My main concern is how tiring it would be. I remember when I first got my Wii with Wii Sports my arms were sore from playing so much Wii Boxing. And Wii boxing isn't even that good. I plan on playing Punch-Out with the motion controls, but sometimes you've got to kick back and let your arms relax. I think it's great that they added the option.

agreed...I don't think they could get the controls precise enough for my tastes. Punch Out has always been about finding that rythm/pattern and sticking to it. It would be fun punching characters with motion, but I still don't think it would register like it should. Especially the nunchuk!

I hope to god they keep the same feel of the original. I loved how it was soooo over exagerating on the characters and their ethnicities lol.

This is just an option which good, I don't understand why you guys are upset over it? ...Just because its a Wii game IT HAS TO USE only Wii motion control? ,,,how abt thinking outside of your little own world..what if someone injured their arm & can't do a punch motion or just couldn't be stuff ie tired arms?

A very good point. I couldn't agree with you more. I just don't think that Punch-Out is the game to revolutionize the boxing genre, because it's really more of a puzzle game. It's like asking Super Smash. Bros to revolutionize the fighting genre, or Mario Strikers to revolutionize the soccer genre. There needs to be a boxing game that replicates 1:1 motions, but Punch-Out isn't the franchise to dump that responsibility on- it's just not that kind of game.blankshore

A game that already takes the boxing genre seriously would be the one to expect that kind of advance from... something like Fight Night, for example, or even Ready to Rumble, which isn't a serious game at all but still uses more conventional boxing moves and such.

Also to Dark_Link, it's not really like Smash Bros. in the sense of anticipating moves. The key to Punch Out is that each character is computer-controlled and has certain tells that let you know what's about to happen. Your job is to figure out how to best combat these predetermined moves... when to punch high or low, when to just dodge, when to block, when to use ze uppercut. This is also why it wouldn't work very well as a multiplayer game, unless it's a multiplayer mode that allows for more diverse moves to actually make it fun, since you'd be playing without the tells and without the crazy personalities. But then it would cease to be Punch Out and probably wouldn't be worth the developer's time.

[QUOTE="blankshore"]A very good point. I couldn't agree with you more. I just don't think that Punch-Out is the game to revolutionize the boxing genre, because it's really more of a puzzle game. It's like asking Super Smash. Bros to revolutionize the fighting genre, or Mario Strikers to revolutionize the soccer genre. There needs to be a boxing game that replicates 1:1 motions, but Punch-Out isn't the franchise to dump that responsibility on- it's just not that kind of game.JordanElek

A game that already takes the boxing genre seriously would be the one to expect that kind of advance from... something like Fight Night, for example, or even Ready to Rumble, which isn't a serious game at all but still uses more conventional boxing moves and such.

Also to Dark_Link, it's not really like Smash Bros. in the sense of anticipating moves. The key to Punch Out is that each character is computer-controlled and has certain tells that let you know what's about to happen. Your job is to figure out how to best combat these predetermined moves... when to punch high or low, when to just dodge, when to block, when to use ze uppercut. This is also why it wouldn't work very well as a multiplayer game, unless it's a multiplayer mode that allows for more diverse moves to actually make it fun, since you'd be playing without the tells and without the crazy personalities. But then it would cease to be Punch Out and probably wouldn't be worth the developer's time.

my thoughts exactly

This is just an option which good, I don't understand why you guys are upset over it? ...Just because its a Wii game IT HAS TO USE only Wii motion control? ,,,how abt thinking outside of your little own world..what if someone injured their arm & can't do a punch motion or just couldn't be stuff ie tired arms?

maxgil2

Good call. Last time I was hospitalized all I could play was Galaxy and Brawl- not aterrible thing, but I see what you're saying.Nintendo gives them options and all they do is complain. Since when is choice a bad thing? This is proof that some fanboys just can't be pleased.

Also to Dark_Link, it's not really like Smash Bros. in the sense of anticipating moves. The key to Punch Out is that each character is computer-controlled and has certain tells that let you know what's about to happen. Your job is to figure out how to best combat these predetermined moves... when to punch high or low, when to just dodge, when to block, when to use ze uppercut. This is also why it wouldn't work very well as a multiplayer game, unless it's a multiplayer mode that allows for more diverse moves to actually make it fun, since you'd be playing without the tells and without the crazy personalities. But then it would cease to be Punch Out and probably wouldn't be worth the developer's time.

JordanElek

[QUOTE="dan543"]

This kinda... sucks?? I mean, its ok to give the player options, but how can we expect to play original cool games for the Wii if we still retain to old controls?? We gotta try new stuff! Do it right, and you nail it. Do it wrong and there is no point to be in the Wii. There are a bunch of good games with good Wii controls, so make good use of them devs!

Mike1978Smith

Well said.

A game that already takes the boxing genre seriously would be the one to expect that kind of advance from... something like Fight Night, for example, or even Ready to Rumble, which isn't a serious game at all but still uses more conventional boxing moves and such.

JordanElek

Why would 1 to 1 controls force the game to take itself seriously? You could have the same style, the same goofy characters, and the same ridiculous knock-out scenes with 1 to 1 controls. No problem.

The seriousness of a game is a stylistic design choice, not a mechanical design choice.

dont you think nintendo is less effect of the revolution of motion controls if they keep adding C Control or C Controller or GC controls into all these games? its making it seem like just in case, but isnt that the reason we bought the Wii for the new way to play, but yet i hear whines for standard controller support so often? outside of SSBB i cant really see why they should keep using it, imagine if they added that support to Wii Sports, MP3, SMG, Mario Strikers, or MK Wii? it would give Devs a reason not really use them, they could be like Nintendo isnt using them why should we, it would give fuel to the fire of the haters who say Wii = GC 1.5 when it clearly isnt, i understand when it just wont work like in say SSBB and certain RPG, but in a sports game like this that has had its genre proved by Wii Boxing to be successful with motion why are they still adding C control support? why go back almost 20 years in control when we are trying to inovate, if it was so good im sure we would be using that control to this dayblack_ice23

or they are just making sure that ppl that do not like this wiggle can still enjoy and play teh game.

For games like RE4, MP3, REC and others where games that the montion control were nicely apply. But others game that apply this would have being a fail to me and pry others if they did not offer an second option to play. No everyone got teh wii for the montion control and that is something that if the market do not understand would fail to raise there sell a bit more.

Innovation is good, but lets face it no always works and it has to be right. The downside of this is that some developers can just not try enough and think "who care if it does not work, we can just put CC or GC" ....

with punch-out.. yea it would make sense to have montion. BUt maybe some of the old fans just want to playthe old-game without having to jump like crazy, thus I do not know if is in teh Vc already, and even so, maybe they just want the extra that this version offer beside montion controllers, e.g. new characters and better looking...

Its obiviously for those that bought the Wii not to use the motion control, but for its superior game library and graphical capabilities:roll:

[QUOTE="JordanElek"]

A game that already takes the boxing genre seriously would be the one to expect that kind of advance from... something like Fight Night, for example, or even Ready to Rumble, which isn't a serious game at all but still uses more conventional boxing moves and such.

Dingerious

Why would 1 to 1 controls force the game to take itself seriously? You could have the same style, the same goofy characters, and the same ridiculous knock-out scenes with 1 to 1 controls. No problem.

The seriousness of a game is a stylistic design choice, not a mechanical design choice.

It'd be like wanting gear-shifting and an advanced ranking system and realistic tracks from a Mario Kart game.

[QUOTE="Dingerious"]

[QUOTE="JordanElek"]

A game that already takes the boxing genre seriously would be the one to expect that kind of advance from... something like Fight Night, for example, or even Ready to Rumble, which isn't a serious game at all but still uses more conventional boxing moves and such.

JordanElek

Why would 1 to 1 controls force the game to take itself seriously? You could have the same style, the same goofy characters, and the same ridiculous knock-out scenes with 1 to 1 controls. No problem.

The seriousness of a game is a stylistic design choice, not a mechanical design choice.

It'd be like wanting gear-shifting and an advanced ranking system and realistic tracks from a Mario Kart game.

...Wait, wait, let me get this straight. Are you suggesting that memorizing a button layout, however simple it may be, is more complex than throwing a punch?

And no, it'd be more like wanting an actual wheel to turn in a Mario Kart game. Low and behold...

Wait, wait, let me get this straight. Are you suggesting that memorizing a button layout, however simple it may be, is more complex than throwing a punch?Dingerious

I'm not arguing against motion controls... I'm arguing against Wii Motion +. It simply isn't needed for what Punch Out does. All the game requires is simple binary movements; either you perform the move or you don't. Changing this would change the whole premise of the game. It overcomplicates it, which is why I brought up the simplicity issue in my last post.

[QUOTE="Dingerious"]Wait, wait, let me get this straight. Are you suggesting that memorizing a button layout, however simple it may be, is more complex than throwing a punch?JordanElek

I'm not arguing against motion controls... I'm arguing against Wii Motion +. It simply isn't needed for what Punch Out does. All the game requires is simple binary movements; either you perform the move or you don't. Changing this would change the whole premise of the game. It overcomplicates it, which is why I brought up the simplicity issue in my last post.

I don't see how any of that is more complicated than a button layout. Throwing punches is instinctual. There's not a culture in the history of man that doesn't involve one guy punching another in the face at some point. There's nothing complicated about it.

What you want is for Punch Out to remain the exact same game that it was in the 80's. That's fine, but I'd rather Nintendo took the time to upgrade it into something a bit more special.

What you want is for Punch Out to remain the exact same game that it was in the 80's. That's fine, but I'd rather Nintendo took the time to upgrade it into something a bit more special.Dingerious

I can get a realistic boxing game elsewhere. Well, not yet, but eventually there will be a good one on the Wii. I don't want that to be Punch Out, because it's the only one of its kind. And in all honesty, I have no interest in a boxing game that mechanically emulates real boxing. The game could have the exact art style as Punch Out, but if it doesn't have the foundational elements of the game I love, then I don't want it.

[QUOTE="Dingerious"]What you want is for Punch Out to remain the exact same game that it was in the 80's. That's fine, but I'd rather Nintendo took the time to upgrade it into something a bit more special.JordanElek

I can get a realistic boxing game elsewhere. Well, not yet, but eventually there will be a good one on the Wii. I don't want that to be Punch Out, because it's the only one of its kind. And in all honesty, I have no interest in a boxing game that mechanically emulates real boxing. The game could have the exact art style as Punch Out, but if it doesn't have the foundational elements of the game I love, then I don't want it.

Well, that's just...depressing. If that's true, you shouldn't own a wii.

Well, that's just...depressing. If that's true, you shouldn't own a wii.Dingerious

To clarify, it'd be an exaggeration to say I want the exact same game. Of course I don't. But using the Mario Kart example again, I enjoy the premise of the game and don't want it to be changed. Each game has been very different (read: not the same exact game), but they've all kept the feel of it.

It's the same with Punch Out. The original was great, Super Punch Out took that formula and not only updated the graphics but also added a few little touches that made it even better (the flashing gloves, best times, etc.). I expect Punch Out Wii to take similar steps that keep the basic formula but add or tweak certain aspects of it.

1:1 control fundamentally changes the premise of the game, because the premise of the game is about tells and timing. Each punch, each dodge, each block takes a certain amount of time. Every match maintains a kind of rhythm because of that. By giving complete control to the player in those aspects, that rhythm wouldn't be possible.

I think that's as clear as I can make my stance. If we still disagree, so be it. ;)

[QUOTE="Dingerious"]Well, that's just...depressing. If that's true, you shouldn't own a wii.JordanElek

To clarify, it'd be an exaggeration to say I want the exact same game. Of course I don't. But using the Mario Kart example again, I enjoy the premise of the game and don't want it to be changed. Each game has been very different (read: not the same exact game), but they've all kept the feel of it.

It's the same with Punch Out. The original was great, Super Punch Out took that formula and not only updated the graphics but also added a few little touches that made it even better (the flashing gloves, best times, etc.). I expect Punch Out Wii to take similar steps that keep the basic formula but add or tweak certain aspects of it.

1:1 control fundamentally changes the premise of the game, because the premise of the game is about tells and timing. Each punch, each dodge, each block takes a certain amount of time. Every match maintains a kind of rhythm because of that. By giving complete control to the player in those aspects, that rhythm wouldn't be possible.

I think that's as clear as I can make my stance. If we still disagree, so be it. ;)

Are you suggesting that a user who is able to throw his own punches can't, because of interface, time those punches? Or are you suggesting that a game designed around the timing of a thrown punch is impossible with motion+ controls?

Either way, i don't buy it. Seems like you've already made up your mind that a boxing game with motion+ would have inherent limitations that, ironically, are not related at all to the motion controls themselves.

Without motion+, you have a point. wiimote alone isn't accurate enough to deal with the intense timing of a Punch-Out game. But motion+? You ought to believe it.

Are you suggesting that a user who is able to throw his own punches can't, because of interface, time those punches?Dingerious

Looking back through your posts here, I've realized that you think Punch Out is in the boxing genre and thus has an obligation to make progression in that genre. That's the main difference here. We're not talking about the same thing. I'm talking about Punch Out in terms of a puzzle game that just happens to use boxers. You're talking about a boxing game that just happens to have some puzzle elements. I want Punch Out to progress as its own unique entity, not as part of the larger boxing genre. I don't think it has anything to do with the larger genre.

Seems like you've already made up your mind that a boxing game with motion+ would have inherent limitations that, ironically, are not related at all to the motion controls themselves.Dingerious

Without motion+, you have a point. wiimote alone isn't accurate enough to deal with the intense timing of a Punch-Out game. But motion+? You ought to believe it.Dingerious