Microsoft 180: Xbox One will NOT have ANY Used Games or Online DRM.

[QUOTE="rragnaar"]

GAF reported an anonymous MS employee and CBOAT are saying that their 'game sharing program' just allowed the people you were sharing with to play for an hour before being prompted to buy. There had to be a catch. F*cking hilarious that anyone thought it would be more than that.

S0lidSnake

LMAO. I f*cking knew it. It's hilarious so many people fell for it. 

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

[QUOTE="rragnaar"]

GAF reported an anonymous MS employee and CBOAT are saying that their 'game sharing program' just allowed the people you were sharing with to play for an hour before being prompted to buy. There had to be a catch. F*cking hilarious that anyone thought it would be more than that.

Black_Knight_00

LMAO. I f*cking knew it. It's hilarious so many people fell for it. 

[QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

[QUOTE="rragnaar"]

GAF reported an anonymous MS employee and CBOAT are saying that their 'game sharing program' just allowed the people you were sharing with to play for an hour before being prompted to buy. There had to be a catch. F*cking hilarious that anyone thought it would be more than that.

Black_Knight_00

LMAO. I f*cking knew it. It's hilarious so many people fell for it. 

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Metamania"]

You pretty much summed it up for me.

Microsoft isn't doing all this for the gamers - they are only doing this to win consumers over and GET THEIR MONEY. This is all nothing but business to them and once the "uneducated masses" and even a few smart, intelligent gamers buy the system, they'll pretty much revert back to their old ways and go "Got you, motherf***ers! You fell for it and we are going back to what WE WANT, not what YOU WANT!"

The damage has already been done. Getting a PS4, at this point in time, seems to be the best way to go. It's more of a gaming machine than something else entirely.

Metamania

Knowing you, I'd figured you would go MS all the way.

[QUOTE="Black_Knight_00"][QUOTE="S0lidSnake"]

LMAO. I f*cking knew it. It's hilarious so many people fell for it. 

MonoSilver

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]If someone owns the copyright, and that person is not you, then you don't own it. I can buy Return of the Jedi on DVD, and I own that DVD, but the CONTENT of the DVD is not "my property" when the copyright belongs to...whoever (I think it's disney now). What have I purchased? I've purchased a license to watch the movie. It is not my property. It's not just copying either. I also can't gather a thousand people together and have a public showing off of one disc. Not without paying more money. If you own a restaurant, try bringing in a copy of the latest CD that you bought, play it over the speakers for all of your customers, and then watch how much trouble you get in. If you buy a game on disc, you own the physical disc. You do NOT own the content on that disc. That is NOT your property, and I am not sure that it ever was.gamingqueen

if you lose access to it once you resell it then you have every right to resell.

[QUOTE="gamingqueen"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]If someone owns the copyright, and that person is not you, then you don't own it. I can buy Return of the Jedi on DVD, and I own that DVD, but the CONTENT of the DVD is not "my property" when the copyright belongs to...whoever (I think it's disney now). What have I purchased? I've purchased a license to watch the movie. It is not my property. It's not just copying either. I also can't gather a thousand people together and have a public showing off of one disc. Not without paying more money. If you own a restaurant, try bringing in a copy of the latest CD that you bought, play it over the speakers for all of your customers, and then watch how much trouble you get in. If you buy a game on disc, you own the physical disc. You do NOT own the content on that disc. That is NOT your property, and I am not sure that it ever was.MrGeezer

if you lose access to it once you resell it then you have every right to resell.

For the most part, it is understood that you are purchasing a license to one specific copy of a game (one that has a specific identifier, like a serial number). Historically, you have been able to sell that license to that copy.

This is what MS was looking to change. They are not saying that each disk contains one license to one serial number. The disk, to them, is only a delivery method of downloading the game from the MS server to the X1 console. So apparently, the X1 disks did not have that individual serial number to identify each disk as it's own copy (license), which is why you'd have to be connected online and register. At that point, you'd get a serial number from MS's server which would then tie it to your console/gamertag.

I think it would have been easier for them and the public if they eliminiated the physical media altogether - but who knows what kind of reaction that would have created!

Also, if EULAs were legally binding, why hasn't Gamestop been sued out of existence? The next question is if publishers and console makers refuse to defend their EULAs against Gamestop and other secondhand retailers, what right do they have to thrust it upon the consumer directly while stripping away their options to choose otherwise?El_Zo1212o

Well they have a license to sell videogames. They're authorized distributors. Should any company impose DRM code, Gamestop will start selling the code along with the used copy. 

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]Also, if EULAs were legally binding, why hasn't Gamestop been sued out of existence? The next question is if publishers and console makers refuse to defend their EULAs against Gamestop and other secondhand retailers, what right do they have to thrust it upon the consumer directly while stripping away their options to choose otherwise?gamingqueen

Well they have a license to sell videogames. They're authorized distributors. Should any company impose DRM code, Gamestop will start selling the code along with the used copy. 

What, just because your disc gets scratched now you're entitled to a replacement? MrGeezer

Based on the thought that he paid for a license, then yes. He can no longer use his license he paid for.

As an i.t. worker I can tell you that we buy many licenses. Anything that changes the use of any license goes right to corporate for adjustment from the vendor.

The product has not been sabotaged. The product is the license for the first buyer to play the game, and that still is in effect. Secondly, I'm not sure what an unreadable disc has to do with anything. If it was unreadable when you got it then you should be entitled to a refund or a replacement, but after that it's on you to make sure that it lasts. What, just because your disc gets scratched now you're entitled to a replacement? Thirdly, Gamestop can sell used games because of the first sale doctrine. However, if Microsoft (or some other company) were to make those games usable to only the first buyer, then they're worthless to Gamestop. Again, Gamestop CAN still buy back the discs if they want to, they just WON'T because then they'd be buying something that has literally no value to it whatsoever.MrGeezer

i caught a video about this on youtube and the guy who did it made a good point. apparently this will be a patch so what makes you think ms wont patch it again later and than follow through with the original thought of blocking used titles?

i caught a video about this on youtube and the guy who did it made a good point. apparently this will be a patch so what makes you think ms wont patch it again later and than follow through with the original thought of blocking used titles?

 

ThaneKrios28

Since Microsoft will be disabling certain features of the Xbox One on the day of its release via patch, I wonder if there will be a solution for buyers without an internet connection to download that data. This is something I notice is not getting addressed here, so I am curious about it.BranKetra

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Since Microsoft will be disabling certain features of the Xbox One on the day of its release via patch, I wonder if there will be a solution for buyers without an internet connection to download that data. This is something I notice is not getting addressed here, so I am curious about it.Randolph

If the only action individuals actually wanting to buy a Microsoft Xbox One can do is wait for a new version of that console, the Sony PlayStion 4, computer gaming, and even the Nintendo Wii U will be quicker alternatives to play new video games. I ask why wait. BranKetra

Answer me this, Mr Geezer: in what other industry is a supposed agreement valid when the one party has no knowledge of what the agreement contains until after they've agreed to it?El_Zo1212o

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]Answer me this, Mr Geezer: in what other industry is a supposed agreement valid when the one party has no knowledge of what the agreement contains until after they've agreed to it?MrGeezer

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] Glad to know I'll be seeing you on the PS4 someday.El_Zo1212o

Knowing you, I'd figured you would go MS all the way.

Ah, well, I'm glad I'm going to be seeing you on the PS4 too, man. :) That being said, Ryse was definitely one of the games that looked very tempting to play. Maybe sometime down the road, I'll have to give the new system a shot, along with that game.

And I'm with you - the E3 briefing from Microsoft did nothing for me, except for the games that looked decent enough (how much of a lie that turned out to be when we all found out that all of those games were running on MS Windows 7, which is a freaking shame).

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]Answer me this, Mr Geezer: in what other industry is a supposed agreement valid when the one party has no knowledge of what the agreement contains until after they've agreed to it?El_Zo1212o

Valve (at least with Steam) has a EULA that you agree to before installing. It is safe to say that they also have a very similar one for their games too.

Ubisoft has a EULA that has to be agreed to.

Microsoft also has a EULA too.

I think it would be safe to say that all software, and yes, games are software no matter what platform it is played on, has a EULA, even if they are open source. Everyone should know that there is a EULA before purchasing and if one does not want to agree to such, then do not buy it, you will not be stuck with an open package that you cannot return. With all the complaints of open boxes at Gamestop, especially for new games, I just do not see why people buy a new product from a company that is already opened. No, you dont own it: Court upholds EULAs, threatens digital resale shows that you do not own software and courts are upholding EULAs.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Metamania"]

Knowing you, I'd figured you would go MS all the way.

Metamania

Ah, well, I'm glad I'm going to be seeing you on the PS4 too, man. :) That being said, Ryse was definitely one of the games that looked very tempting to play. Maybe sometime down the road, I'll have to give the new system a shot, along with that game.

And I'm with you - the E3 briefing from Microsoft did nothing for me, except for the games that looked decent enough (how much of a lie that turned out to be when we all found out that all of those games were running on MS Windows 7, which is a freaking shame).

Not all of the games were running on PCs, there were some XOnes running (though they were dev kits which has more memory and such in them compared to a retail unit). But yes, there were some running on PCs with a top end graphics card. 

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="MrGeezer"] Until after you've agreed to it? What are you talking about? I'm pretty sure that the EULA text shows up BEFORE instalation occurs. Shows up on literally every single game that I buy, and I don't get to play until AFTER I've agreed to the terms.WhiteKnight77

Valve (at least with Steam) has a EULA that you agree to before installing. It is safe to say that they also have a very similar one for their games too.

Ubisoft has a EULA that has to be agreed to.

Microsoft also has a EULA too.

I think it would be safe to say that all software, and yes, games are software no matter what platform it is played on, has a EULA, even if they are open source. Everyone should know that there is a EULA before purchasing and if one does not want to agree to such, then do not buy it, you will not be stuck with an open package that you cannot return. With all the complaints of open boxes at Gamestop, especially for new games, I just do not see why people buy a new product from a company that is already opened. No, you dont own it: Court upholds EULAs, threatens digital resale shows that you do not own software and courts are upholding EULAs.

@WhiteKnight: That's ridiculous! How can any agreement be binding if the user is denied access to the terms of the agreement until after they've already invested their money in the product??El_Zo1212o

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]@WhiteKnight: That's ridiculous! How can any agreement be binding if the user is denied access to the terms of the agreement until after they've already invested their money in the product??MrGeezer

Anyone can "accept" the EULA even if they are not at legal age to accept it. 

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]@WhiteKnight: That's ridiculous! How can any agreement be binding if the user is denied access to the terms of the agreement until after they've already invested their money in the product??Pedro

Anyone can "accept" the EULA even if they are not at legal age to accept it. 

Supposedly the 360 was a weaker console than the PS3 also But was saw what happened.

[QUOTE="Pedro"]

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"] I've gotta agree here. Everyone knows there's an EULA, but they don't know the terms of that agreement without actually seeing it. That's some bull$hit right there.MrGeezer

Anyone can "accept" the EULA even if they are not at legal age to accept it. 

Seems way to good to be true. Didn't they say the policies were final?

speedfreak48t5p

[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

Valve (at least with Steam) has a EULA that you agree to before installing. It is safe to say that they also have a very similar one for their games too.

Ubisoft has a EULA that has to be agreed to.

Microsoft also has a EULA too.

I think it would be safe to say that all software, and yes, games are software no matter what platform it is played on, has a EULA, even if they are open source. Everyone should know that there is a EULA before purchasing and if one does not want to agree to such, then do not buy it, you will not be stuck with an open package that you cannot return. With all the complaints of open boxes at Gamestop, especially for new games, I just do not see why people buy a new product from a company that is already opened. No, you dont own it: Court upholds EULAs, threatens digital resale shows that you do not own software and courts are upholding EULAs.

El_Zo1212o

Are you really serious? I can understand that you might not know about a EULA if you just started gaming or using a PC or other game system yesterday, but if you have been gaming, or using any other sort of software, for any length of time, you are fully aware that there are end user license agreements attached to said software that you will have to agree to, even before you purchase it. One thing that those three agreements, as well as others say, is:

Steam:

Valve hereby grants, and by installing the Program you thereby accept, a limited, non-exclusive license and right to install one (1) copy of the Program on a computer. snip The Program is licensed, not sold. Your license confers no title or ownership in the Program or copies thereof.

Ubisoft:

Ubisoft grants the User a non-exclusive and non-transferable Licence to use the Multimedia Product, but remains the owner of all the rights relating thereto.

Microsoft:

6.         COPYRIGHT.  All title and copyrights in and to the SOFTWARE PRODUCT (including but not limited to any images, photographs, animations, video, audio, music, text, and applets incorporated into the SOFTWARE PRODUCT), the accompanying printed materials, and any copies of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT are owned by Microsoft or its suppliers.  All title and intellectual property rights in and to the content which may be accessed through use of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT is the property of the respective content owner and may be protected by applicable copyright or other intellectual property laws and treaties.  This EULA grants you no rights to use such content.