Batman: Arkham City Official Thread -- Harley Quinn DLC/GOTY Edition Out Now!

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]Has anyone else spotted Killer Croc in Arkham City(other than his trophy, of course)?El_Zo1212o

Yeah, I have.

[spoiler] see above [/spoiler]

Here's video of the encounter if you wish to see it. The video is not mine, BTW, but someone else's instead.

Oh I see. I thought you were talking about the Easter Egg that I mentioned above. Perhaps you should have clairified more? :P

I have yet to try out the Iceberg Lounge. How good is that map? Any challenging?

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Metamania"]

Yeah, I have.

[spoiler] see above [/spoiler]

Here's video of the encounter if you wish to see it. The video is not mine, BTW, but someone else's instead.

Metamania

Oh I see. I thought you were talking about the Easter Egg that I mentioned above. Perhaps you should have clairified more? :P

I have yet to try out the Iceberg Lounge. How good is that map? Any challenging?

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] Huh. I didn't know about that, either. What I was talking about was during one of the Riddler maps. When you play the Iceberg Lounge VIP Room(DLC/Coll. Ed.). If you look off to one side outside the arena, Killer Croc is hanging out. He seems to be fussing with a teacup. I decided to try my luck at the map with detective mode on. While I was fighting, I noticed a huge skeleton in the background behind me. I flipped off detective mode to see if it was a titan or something, and it turned out to be Croc. Then I noticed the Penguin is out there, too. I guess I should've guessed, considering how Black Mask hangs out in the gang hideout level, but I just noticed tonight.El_Zo1212o

Oh I see. I thought you were talking about the Easter Egg that I mentioned above. Perhaps you should have clairified more? :P

I have yet to try out the Iceberg Lounge. How good is that map? Any challenging?

Reminds me of the first challenge map I did in Arkham Asylum, where they just kept on throwing you thug after thug until you were dead. Sounds like a blast!

played it for a couple of hours and never went back... good game but i wouldnt say great... but maybe thats just me..

Since the Harley Quinn DLC should be out today, I wonder if anyone downloaded and tried it out?

Nevermind, apparently, the GOTY edition will get it first on May 30th and not the other way around. Damn.

Since the Harley Quinn DLC should be out today, I wonder if anyone downloaded and tried it out?

Nevermind, apparently, the GOTY edition will get it first on May 30th and not the other way around. Damn.

Metamania

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

Since the Harley Quinn DLC should be out today, I wonder if anyone downloaded and tried it out?

Nevermind, apparently, the GOTY edition will get it first on May 30th and not the other way around. Damn.

El_Zo1212o

If it does come out today, my bad. Hopefully, you can enjoy it, since my copy is already traded in for credit towards the GOTY game (on amazon). Besides, I have Arkham Asylum to keep me company until then. :)

Arrgghhh.:evil: Guess I'm going to have to buy the GotY edition. I want all the DLC on the disc and still want to throw Rocksteady my money for making such an incredible game. Any other franchise and I wouldn't bother....but for Batman.....AAANNNNNNYTHING!!

RAAAAAAHHH!

MirkoS77

:lol: This post wins the Internetz.

Damn, I guess I should update this thread soon. :/

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"]

Arrgghhh.:evil: Guess I'm going to have to buy the GotY edition. I want all the DLC on the disc and still want to throw Rocksteady my money for making such an incredible game. Any other franchise and I wouldn't bother....but for Batman.....AAANNNNNNYTHING!!

RAAAAAAHHH!

Jbul

:lol: This post wins the Internetz.

Damn, I guess I should update this thread soon. :/

Perhaps you should with a subject line that now says "Arkahm City GOTY is the t**s :P

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

Since the Harley Quinn DLC should be out today, I wonder if anyone downloaded and tried it out?

Nevermind, apparently, the GOTY edition will get it first on May 30th and not the other way around. Damn.

El_Zo1212o

apparently the original reported release of April 30th was wrong. It's actually coming out on May 30th

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Metamania"]

Since the Harley Quinn DLC should be out today, I wonder if anyone downloaded and tried it out?

Nevermind, apparently, the GOTY edition will get it first on May 30th and not the other way around. Damn.

Metamania

If it does come out today, my bad. Hopefully, you can enjoy it, since my copy is already traded in for credit towards the GOTY game (on amazon). Besides, I have Arkham Asylum to keep me company until then. :)

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] I'm pretty sure the Xbl marketplace updates on Wednesday, so I'm still hoping to download it tomorrow. Considering I bought two copies of the game on launch day and every bit of DLC as it came out, I'm really going to be upset if I have to wait for weeks after the GotY edition launches to get my hands on Harley.El_Zo1212o

If it does come out today, my bad. Hopefully, you can enjoy it, since my copy is already traded in for credit towards the GOTY game (on amazon). Besides, I have Arkham Asylum to keep me company until then. :)

I hear that the game has some combat and camera issues. Any truth to that?

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Metamania"]

If it does come out today, my bad. Hopefully, you can enjoy it, since my copy is already traded in for credit towards the GOTY game (on amazon). Besides, I have Arkham Asylum to keep me company until then. :)

Metamania

I hear that the game has some combat and camera issues. Any truth to that?

I encountered no real problems with the camera and the combat was quite good, specifically because they borrowed it from Arkham Asylum.

It's got some decent boss fights too.

You can nab it for twenty bucks and I'd heartily recommend it. Easily one of the most underrated games of last year.

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] if you want to try something new(but familiar), I'd suggest Captain America: Super Soldier. You ought to be able to get it on the cheap, andthe experience is very much worth the cost.Grammaton-Cleric

I hear that the game has some combat and camera issues. Any truth to that?

I encountered no real problems with the camera and the combat was quite good, specifically because they borrowed it from Arkham Asylum.

It's got some decent boss fights too.

You can nab it for twenty bucks and I'd heartily recommend it. Easily one of the most underrated games of last year.

Either that or I can rent it from my local store. Be a lot cheaper! :)

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

I hear that the game has some combat and camera issues. Any truth to that?

Metamania

I encountered no real problems with the camera and the combat was quite good, specifically because they borrowed it from Arkham Asylum.

It's got some decent boss fights too.

You can nab it for twenty bucks and I'd heartily recommend it. Easily one of the most underrated games of last year.

Either that or I can rent it from my local store. Be a lot cheaper! :)

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

I encountered no real problems with the camera and the combat was quite good, specifically because they borrowed it from Arkham Asylum.

It's got some decent boss fights too.

You can nab it for twenty bucks and I'd heartily recommend it. Easily one of the most underrated games of last year.

El_Zo1212o

Either that or I can rent it from my local store. Be a lot cheaper! :)

I like the game quite a bit but to claim the combat isn't derivative of Arkham Asylum is to deny stark reality.

Yes, they did make some tweaks and the developers placed an emphasis on different aspects of the combat but the essentials were taken directly from Asylum.

The core combat, the manner in which the enemies attacks, the counter system and the evasion techniques are all lifted practically verbatim from AA.

To be fair, they did a solid job of tailoring the engine to suit Cap's style (and the use of his shield) but it's a carbon copy of the combat pioneered by Rocksteady.

Also, you are correct that you have more direct control over certain attacks and finishers but that is because CA contains far less techniques than either AA or AC.

Again, I think it's a damn fine game but let's give due credit because without Arkham Asylum the combat as it appears in this game wouldn't even exist.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Metamania"]

Either that or I can rent it from my local store. Be a lot cheaper! :)

Grammaton-Cleric

I like the game quite a bit but to claim the combat isn't derivative of Arkham Asylum is to deny stark reality.

Yes, they did make some tweaks and the developers placed an emphasis on different aspects of the combat but the essentials were taken directly from Asylum.

The core combat, the manner in which the enemies attacks, the counter system and the evasion techniques are all lifted practically verbatim from AA.

To be fair, they did a solid job of tailoring the engine to suit Cap's style (and the use of his shield) but it's a carbon copy of the combat pioneered by Rocksteady.

Also, you are correct that you have more direct control over certain attacks and finishers but that is because CA contains far less techniques than either AA or AC.

Again, I think it's a damn fine game but let's give due credit because without Arkham Asylum the combat as it appears in this game wouldn't even exist.

It is one of the few games that gave Batman the right game

I don't know what the f*** is going on with this Captain America/Batman debate, but I will say that the few reviews I've watched for Captain America have all called out MASSIVE similarities to Batman: AA/AC.

Gonna have to disagree with you here, friend. The combat system is so different, I imagine that (maybe with the exception of the counter button and the groundpound finisher) the combat system would be identical without the advent of Arkham Asylum's freeflow combat. Batman's freeflow combat is predicated on the combo- stringing together blow after blow(whether strikes or gadgets), knocking down opponents one after another until all are unconscious- whereas Cap focuses on a '3 hit>daze>finisher' system so common to early beat'em ups. Especially considering how much less effective Batman is when interrupted mid-combo, as opposed to Cap, who is just as effective even after being hit by an enemy. No, regardless of the similarities in the open(ish) world structure, the combat is altogether different from the Arkham games to Captain America: Super Soldier.

El_Zo1212o

So you are sincerely claiming that you don't think AA's combat had significant influence on the development of CA:SS? And you think merely because CA makes some tweaks to the formula that negates the clearly derivative nature of the combat engine?

Do you chalk up the similarities to coincidence despite the fact that AA predates this game by nearly two years?

It's the equivalent of claiming Double Dragon had no effect on Final Fight or that Final fight had no effect on Streets of Rage.

There was nothing even remotely similar to AA's combat mechanics until it landed in 2009 and I find it difficult to believe that a game which started development after the release of AA magically created a combat system that plays so incredibly similar.

I don't know what the f*** is going on with this Captain America/Batman debate, but I will say that the few reviews I've watched for Captain America have all called out MASSIVE similarities to Batman: AA/AC.

Jbul

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"]

Gonna have to disagree with you here, friend. The combat system is so different, I imagine that (maybe with the exception of the counter button and the groundpound finisher) the combat system would be identical without the advent of Arkham Asylum's freeflow combat. Batman's freeflow combat is predicated on the combo- stringing together blow after blow(whether strikes or gadgets), knocking down opponents one after another until all are unconscious- whereas Cap focuses on a '3 hit>daze>finisher' system so common to early beat'em ups. Especially considering how much less effective Batman is when interrupted mid-combo, as opposed to Cap, who is just as effective even after being hit by an enemy. No, regardless of the similarities in the open(ish) world structure, the combat is altogether different from the Arkham games to Captain America: Super Soldier.

Grammaton-Cleric

So you are sincerely claiming that you don't think AA's combat had significant influence on the development of CA:SS? And you think merely because CA makes some tweaks to the formula that negates the clearly derivative nature of the combat engine?

Do you chalk up the similarities to coincidence despite the fact that AA predates this game by nearly two years?

It's the equivalent of claiming Double Dragon had no effect on Final Fight or that Final fight had no effect on Streets of Rage.

There was nothing even remotely similar to AA's combat mechanics until it landed in 2009 and I find it difficult to believe that a game which started development after the release of AA magically created a combat system that plays so incredibly similar.

[QUOTE="Jbul"]

I don't know what the f*** is going on with this Captain America/Batman debate, but I will say that the few reviews I've watched for Captain America have all called out MASSIVE similarities to Batman: AA/AC.

El_Zo1212o

The striking is the same.

The evasion is the same.

The countering is the same.

The way enemies attack is the same.

The overall flow of combat is the same.

Even the challenge rooms are a direct rip-off of Arkham Asylum's mode.

Is it your assertion that they lifted the overall game design and even "borrowed" the challenge rooms but that the combat is an entirely unique product?

With respect, that doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense.

[QUOTE="Jbul"]

I don't know what the f*** is going on with this Captain America/Batman debate, but I will say that the few reviews I've watched for Captain America have all called out MASSIVE similarities to Batman: AA/AC.

El_Zo1212o

Dude, why waste the energy on it? The game's got a f***ing 60 on Metacritic. Come on now.

The striking is the same.

striking is altogether different. Batman starts a combo and then knocks every opponent down in one hit for as long as the combo keeps up. Cap hits every basic thug 4x to put him on the ground.

The evasion is the same.

evasion is more of an offensive technique in Captain America, as you can use it to launch off of walls to attack, or use it to push an enemy into another enemy's attack.

The countering is the same.

Not so. Countering renders Batman invulnerable to incoming attacks and raises your combo multiplier and is therefore the preferred method of avoiding damage. Captain America is vulnerable during counter animations, and so favors the maneuverability approach.

The way enemies attack is the same.

not at all. The thugs in Arkham Asylum only ever attack one at a time, where in Captain America the attack randomly(this is more easily observed on Hard mode)

The overall flow of combat is the same.

I don't see that at all. Batman focuses on combos to keep as many enemies down at the same time as possible. Cap just keeps slugging away at them until they stop getting up.

Even the challenge rooms are a direct rip-off of Arkham Asylum's mode.

I'll give you that one, but any future next gen beatem ups had better have an arena mode. It'll make for a glaring omission, any one that doesn't.

Is it your assertion that they lifted the overall game design and even "borrowed" the challenge rooms but that the combat is an entirely unique product?

With respect, that doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense.

Grammaton-Cleric

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Jbul"]

I don't know what the f*** is going on with this Captain America/Batman debate, but I will say that the few reviews I've watched for Captain America have all called out MASSIVE similarities to Batman: AA/AC.

Jbul

Dude, why waste the energy on it? The game's got a f***ing 60 on Metacritic. Come on now.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

The striking is the same.

striking is altogether different. Batman starts a combo and then knocks every opponent down in one hit for as long as the combo keeps up. Cap hits every basic thug 4x to put him on the ground.

The evasion is the same.

evasion is more of an offensive technique in Captain America, as you can use it to launch off of walls to attack, or use it to push an enemy into another enemy's attack.

The countering is the same.

Not so. Countering renders Batman invulnerable to incoming attacks and raises your combo multiplier and is therefore the preferred method of avoiding damage. Captain America is vulnerable during counter animations, and so favors the maneuverability approach.

The way enemies attack is the same.

not at all. The thugs in Arkham Asylum only ever attack one at a time, where in Captain America the attack randomly(this is more easily observed on Hard mode)

The overall flow of combat is the same.

I don't see that at all. Batman focuses on combos to keep as many enemies down at the same time as possible. Cap just keeps slugging away at them until they stop getting up.

Even the challenge rooms are a direct rip-off of Arkham Asylum's mode.

I'll give you that one, but any future next gen beatem ups had better have an arena mode. It'll make for a glaring omission, any one that doesn't.

Is it your assertion that they lifted the overall game design and even "borrowed" the challenge rooms but that the combat is an entirely unique product?

With respect, that doesn't make even the slightest bit of sense.

El_Zo1212o

But that's a different assertion than your earlier claims.You made it seem as though the combat was 100% the work of the CA developers.

They clearly were inspired to mimic the foundation of Arkham Asylum's combat and then threw some of their own twists and modifications into the mix.

Had they not modified the game and made it unique, I wouldn't have enjoyed it so much.

But clearly they predicated the combat on AA. That's not meant as derision because frankly, the AA/AC?s combat is among the best out there.

[QUOTE="Jbul"]

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] The similarities in the overworld structure and campaign progression do reflect Arkham Asylum, but combatwise, any similarity between the two really ends with the counter button and the groundpound finisher.El_Zo1212o

Dude, why waste the energy on it? The game's got a f***ing 60 on Metacritic. Come on now.

I actually think Captain America is one of the better movie games in years and it would easily rank in my top 10 for comic book adaptations.

It is a damn fine game and was unfairly maligned for no good reason.

I'll probably snag it up at my local rental store, rent it for a good five days, and see how it is. I am not going to buy it.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"] That is my assertion(for the most part). The combat isn't *entirely* unique, but nor was it lifted wholesale from Arkham Asylum.Grammaton-Cleric

But that's a different assertion than your earlier claims.You made it seem as though the combat was 100% the work of the CA developers.

They clearly were inspired to mimic the foundation of Arkham Asylum's combat and then threw some of their own twists and modifications into the mix.

Had they not modified the game and made it unique, I wouldn't have enjoyed it so much.

But clearly they predicated the combat on AA. That's not meant as derision because frankly, the AA/AC?s combat is among the best out there.

I actually think Captain America is one of the better movie games in years and it would easily rank in my top 10 for comic book adaptations.Grammaton-Cleric

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Jbul"]

Dude, why waste the energy on it? The game's got a f***ing 60 on Metacritic. Come on now.

Grammaton-Cleric

I actually think Captain America is one of the better movie games in years and it would easily rank in my top 10 for comic book adaptations.

It is a damn fine game and was unfairly maligned for no good reason.

I believe you. Why do you think it was unfairly critisized, then? What I mean to say is, what qualities of the game do you think made critics rate it rather averagely?

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] Due mainly to the general phobia of movie licensed games. It was an excellent game in almost every way. I love this game, and I hate to see it constantly looked-down upon as an inferior version of the Arkham games.Jbul

I actually think Captain America is one of the better movie games in years and it would easily rank in my top 10 for comic book adaptations.

It is a damn fine game and was unfairly maligned for no good reason.

I believe you. Why do you think it was unfairly critisized, then? What I mean to say is, what qualities of the game do you think made critics rate it rather averagely?

The game definitely feels a bit rushed in terms of length and scope and the platforming is brain dead and very unsatisfying.

However, the combat, while clearly cribbed from AA, was good enough to buoy the game and the overall production values and quality easily surpass most other film tie-ins. The game also enjoys some very solid boss encounters and overall emulates the look and feel of the character as he appears in the film and comics.

I'd argue it's the only Captain America game to actually make the player feel like Captain America.

As to the lukewarm critical response, in a nutshell I think gaming journalism is a joke and I sincerely believe that smaller games get lower ratings because they are treated as perfunctory nuances while the big stuff gets the front page treatment.

There is also, as El Zo mentioned, a persistent stigma as it relates to licensed games.

Take at look at something like 007 Bloodstone, which is a fantastic Bond games, and it too was largely greeted with indifference because there was no real hype generated by the publisher. I think games with large advertising budgets and copious media coverage are going to be rated with a more focused approach than something like CA:SS, which was instantly viewed as another cheap cash grab.

To be honest with you, I don't trust critics beyond their ability to identify the obvious AAA titles. Once you get into smaller games with more nuanced elements and uneven production values, anything goes. (See Gamespot's Sniper Elite review as a recent example of this)

The game definitely feels a bit rushed in terms of length and scope and the platforming is brain dead and very unsatisfying.

Grammaton-Cleric

You should expect that for every movie-to-game transition though; not all of them will hit the mark. Only a few movie-to-game tie-ins happened, one of them being Goldeneye 007 on the N64.

BTW, much props to you for loving Bloodstone. That Bond game is awesome and is one of the better Bond games today.

... the platforming is brain dead and very unsatisfying.

between the system in place and a standard jump>grab ledge>repeat alternative, I'd prefer this system. Although it did bug me that even stringing together perfect moves didn't prevent you from catching sniper bullets. I think it would have been truer to the character if you could block incoming fire while platforming. The comics often have Cap blocking enemy fire while pulling off sweet acrobatics. I guess they thought it would make platforming too busy to look awesome.

However, the combat, while clearly cribbed from AA...

If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were tweaking my nose a'purpose...

I'd argue it's the only Captain America game to actually make the player feel like Captain America.

That I can agree with

... as El Zo mentioned...

My friends call me Zorro

Grammaton-Cleric

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

The game definitely feels a bit rushed in terms of length and scope and the platforming is brain dead and very unsatisfying.

Metamania

You should expect that for every movie-to-game transition though; not all of them will hit the mark. Only a few movie-to-game tie-ins happened, one of them being Goldeneye 007 on the N64.

BTW, much props to you for loving Bloodstone. That Bond game is awesome and is one of the better Bond games today.

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

The game definitely feels a bit rushed in terms of length and scope and the platforming is brain dead and very unsatisfying.

El_Zo1212o

You should expect that for every movie-to-game transition though; not all of them will hit the mark. Only a few movie-to-game tie-ins happened, one of them being Goldeneye 007 on the N64.

BTW, much props to you for loving Bloodstone. That Bond game is awesome and is one of the better Bond games today.

I'm playing through Quantam just to get the achievement for beating the game on 007 and I swear, that cover system is really bad and VERY faulty. When you are behind a wall or something, you should be protected by bullets and in Quantam, that's not the case at all. I find it ridiculous that Bond also just doesn't stay in cover in some spots, even when you tell him to, and he dies very quickly. QoS is one of the worst Bond games I've played. Goldeneye 007 Reloaded has very poor A.I., but I loved the game's campaign nevertheless.

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"][QUOTE="Metamania"]

You should expect that for every movie-to-game transition though; not all of them will hit the mark. Only a few movie-to-game tie-ins happened, one of them being Goldeneye 007 on the N64.

BTW, much props to you for loving Bloodstone. That Bond game is awesome and is one of the better Bond games today.

Metamania

I'm playing through Quantam just to get the achievement for beating the game on 007 and I swear, that cover system is really bad and VERY faulty. When you are behind a wall or something, you should be protected by bullets and in Quantam, that's not the case at all. I find it ridiculous that Bond also just doesn't stay in cover in some spots, even when you tell him to, and he dies very quickly. QoS is one of the worst Bond games I've played. Goldeneye 007 Reloaded has very poor A.I., but I loved the game's campaign nevertheless.

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="El_Zo1212o"] the only Bond games I've played since Goldeneye 007 were Rogue Agent, Quantum of Solace, Goldeneye Reloaded and Bloodstone. I played tham all on DS(except I also played Rogue Agent on 360). Of those(surprisingly), QoS was the best. It was a top down cover shooter with a really interesting stat boosting mechanic- you collected playing cards off of your enemies and built poker hands to boost your stats. Bloodstone was cool, too, but Goldeneye Reloaded was a huge letdown. I would have much preferred a direct port of the original.El_Zo1212o

I'm playing through Quantam just to get the achievement for beating the game on 007 and I swear, that cover system is really bad and VERY faulty. When you are behind a wall or something, you should be protected by bullets and in Quantam, that's not the case at all. I find it ridiculous that Bond also just doesn't stay in cover in some spots, even when you tell him to, and he dies very quickly. QoS is one of the worst Bond games I've played. Goldeneye 007 Reloaded has very poor A.I., but I loved the game's campaign nevertheless.

Not in Quantam. The cover system flat-out sucks ASS.

I could get this on steam and the half price sale is tempting, but I'm going to wait until the GOTY version is released and get it on the PS3.BranKetra

That's a good decision, since you'll get all the previous DLC, the game, and the new DLC, all for a good price of $50. Which is a good deal, IMO.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I could get this on steam and the half price sale is tempting, but I'm going to wait until the GOTY version is released and get it on the PS3.Metamania

That's a good decision, since you'll get all the previous DLC, the game, and the new DLC, all for a good price of $50. Which is a good deal, IMO.

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I could get this on steam and the half price sale is tempting, but I'm going to wait until the GOTY version is released and get it on the PS3.Metamania

That's a good decision, since you'll get all the previous DLC, the game, and the new DLC, all for a good price of $50. Which is a good deal, IMO.

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I could get this on steam and the half price sale is tempting, but I'm going to wait until the GOTY version is released and get it on the PS3.El_Zo1212o

That's a good decision, since you'll get all the previous DLC, the game, and the new DLC, all for a good price of $50. Which is a good deal, IMO.

Kinda weird if that happens, doesn't it?

[QUOTE="Metamania"]

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]I could get this on steam and the half price sale is tempting, but I'm going to wait until the GOTY version is released and get it on the PS3.BranKetra

That's a good decision, since you'll get all the previous DLC, the game, and the new DLC, all for a good price of $50. Which is a good deal, IMO.

You're welcome. That's what I did. I don't have my original copy anymore, but that's fine. It's only four weeks until it's out, so I can hold out until then. Asylum will keep me company in the meantime. :)

[QUOTE="Jbul"]

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

I actually think Captain America is one of the better movie games in years and it would easily rank in my top 10 for comic book adaptations.

It is a damn fine game and was unfairly maligned for no good reason.

Grammaton-Cleric

I believe you. Why do you think it was unfairly critisized, then? What I mean to say is, what qualities of the game do you think made critics rate it rather averagely?

The game definitely feels a bit rushed in terms of length and scope and the platforming is brain dead and very unsatisfying.

However, the combat, while clearly cribbed from AA, was good enough to buoy the game and the overall production values and quality easily surpass most other film tie-ins. The game also enjoys some very solid boss encounters and overall emulates the look and feel of the character as he appears in the film and comics.

I'd argue it's the only Captain America game to actually make the player feel like Captain America.

As to the lukewarm critical response, in a nutshell I think gaming journalism is a joke and I sincerely believe that smaller games get lower ratings because they are treated as perfunctory nuances while the big stuff gets the front page treatment.

There is also, as El Zo mentioned, a persistent stigma as it relates to licensed games.

Take at look at something like 007 Bloodstone, which is a fantastic Bond games, and it too was largely greeted with indifference because there was no real hype generated by the publisher. I think games with large advertising budgets and copious media coverage are going to be rated with a more focused approach than something like CA:SS, which was instantly viewed as another cheap cash grab.

To be honest with you, I don't trust critics beyond their ability to identify the obvious AAA titles. Once you get into smaller games with more nuanced elements and uneven production values, anything goes. (See Gamespot's Sniper Elite review as a recent example of this)

Cool. I appreciate your opinion on the matter -- I'll definitely check out Captain America when I get a chance. I love action/brawler games, well the good ones, at least.

[QUOTE="Grammaton-Cleric"]

[QUOTE="Jbul"]

I believe you. Why do you think it was unfairly critisized, then? What I mean to say is, what qualities of the game do you think made critics rate it rather averagely?

Jbul

The game definitely feels a bit rushed in terms of length and scope and the platforming is brain dead and very unsatisfying.

However, the combat, while clearly cribbed from AA, was good enough to buoy the game and the overall production values and quality easily surpass most other film tie-ins. The game also enjoys some very solid boss encounters and overall emulates the look and feel of the character as he appears in the film and comics.

I'd argue it's the only Captain America game to actually make the player feel like Captain America.

As to the lukewarm critical response, in a nutshell I think gaming journalism is a joke and I sincerely believe that smaller games get lower ratings because they are treated as perfunctory nuances while the big stuff gets the front page treatment.

There is also, as El Zo mentioned, a persistent stigma as it relates to licensed games.

Take at look at something like 007 Bloodstone, which is a fantastic Bond games, and it too was largely greeted with indifference because there was no real hype generated by the publisher. I think games with large advertising budgets and copious media coverage are going to be rated with a more focused approach than something like CA:SS, which was instantly viewed as another cheap cash grab.

To be honest with you, I don't trust critics beyond their ability to identify the obvious AAA titles. Once you get into smaller games with more nuanced elements and uneven production values, anything goes. (See Gamespot's Sniper Elite review as a recent example of this)

Cool. I appreciate your opinion on the matter -- I'll definitely check out Captain America when I get a chance. I love action/brawler games, well the good ones, at least.

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