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The PS5 Is A Big Console For A Good Reason

According to some recent details, the size is due to an increased need for cooling, among possible other reasons.

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When it was revealed last month, many people were surprised by the striking design of the PS5, which abandons the black box design of recent console generations for bold curves and a striking black-and-white color scheme. While it didn't take long for players to start making memes about the appearance of the console, others have noted its increased size over its predecessors, the PS4 and even the original "fat" PS3. That giant size is, according to one Sony employee, because the console generates an enormous amount of heat. With that much power comes a need to keep the system cool, and a huge case was necessary.

When one commenter asked on LinkedIn why the console is so bulky--as spotted by VG247--PlayStation's vice president of UX design Matt MacLaurin replied: "Thermals. This gen is little supercomputers. While the 7nm process delivers amazing heat performance for the power, the power is very extreme."

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However, there might be other reasons for the large size. A leaked patent seems to suggest that Sony is building a cartridge that might work with the PS5. Some observers have speculated that it's an external solid-state drive that will slot into the console for memory management, but there's no official word if that's the case. We still don't know how much the PS5 will cost, or the PS5's full line-up of games, but odds are likely that more details will come out over the coming weeks. Most of its announced first-party games are also not going to be ready for launch. However, it should receive plenty of third-party support out of the gate. This includes sports games like Madden and NBA 2K, and presumably the Call of Duty series. Some of these will be cross-generational releases, and certain publishers are also allowing players to upgrade for free when the newer version becomes available.

The Xbox Series X is also a huge console, but it sports a PC-like form factor that is more familiar to players. The console, like the PS5, can be placed horizontally or vertically. It doesn't look like it will require a stand to do so, however.

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Too bad Sony doesn’t wise up and force developers to add native keyboard and mouse support for all PS5 games, or at least for first-person games. For that very reason, I’ll be building a new gaming PC this year and I won’t be buying a PS5 until 2023 at the earliest.

With keyboard and mouse support, I’d never waste my time building another gaming PC again.

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@jsprunk: That's interesting because I feel the exact opposite. I couldn't get into PC gaming until the last several years because of how non-existent controller support was. I can see the value in mouse accuracy, but a keyboard is a terrible way to control a game.

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@skyhighgam3r: non-existent controller support? What controller doesn't work with the PC?

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@gunnyninja: Nowadays, everything does. It wasn't so long ago you needed a specific PC controller, and had to hope the game you were playing would support it. Now you just connect whatever you want and it goes.

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@skyhighgam3r: I've been using an Xbox One S controller for years. PS4 controller has worked with PC as well. What non PC controllers were you trying to use? And why?

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@gunnyninja: Exactly what Clockwork said, we didn't start to see the kind of support we have now until the X360 era, and even then it wasn't until the 2010's that it was more common than not for a game to have this kind of support.

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@skyhighgam3r: What are you talking about? 360 came out 15 years ago. you said, "I couldn't get into PC gaming until the last several years" I have been gaming a lot longer than that still have controllers that are older than the 360 that worked fine with the PC. This sounds more like someone who JUST started getting into PC gaming. No one has yet given an example of a controller that was hard to use on PC.

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@gunnyninja: Do you not read?
"and even then it wasn't until the 2010's that it was more common than not"
2010 was 10 years ago - so yeah in the last several years is only when I've been able to get into PC gaming. It's not like X360 hit in 2005 and suddenly PC had this perfect utopia of controller support that we have now.

I don't know if you're only like 20 or something, but it was not common nor straight-forward to have controller support on PC games during the 90's and 00's. Even a game as recent and big named as F.E.A.R has 0 controller support.

I don't know what your hangup is on a "specific controller" but it kind of illustrates how you don't seem to get it. You didn't have this kind of universal setup like we do now where everything is USB or Bluetooth. You wouldn't be trying to hookup your Dreamcast or Genesis controller to the PC.

You usually had to get some PC-specific thing from logitech, or some gravis product and there was a time when USB wasn't common yet either, and maybe your PC didn't have a parallel port at all - but again it was an absolute roll of the dice as to what a game would even support the controller you had.

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@skyhighgam3r: Do YOU read? I said In my DECADES of gaming I have never had a controller not work with any PC. Seems that would make me a a good bit older than 20. I've been flying sims since the original Sublogic Flight Simulator was released on Atari. I've been building my own PC's since 1990. I still have PC controllers from that era. They didn't even use USB back then much less Bluetooth. Serial ports. There is a HUGE difference between a controller not working and a game not having controller support. You are blaming the wrong thing. Talk to Devs about including support for a game.

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@gunnyninja: He means longer ago than that, and I agree that it doesn't seem so long ago.

With the introduction of the xbox 360, microsoft started adding xbox 360 controller support to their design language so that most games on PC began to adopt the full controller experience. Before that time, PC controllers sucked and had no degree of consistency in the user experience.

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@clockworkengine: In my entire time using controllers on PC, and it's been decades, I've never had issues like you are describing.

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@gunnyninja: Cool story bro. Not relevant though. A consistent, plug and play solution only became available at the start of the 360 console generation. By consistent I mean designed to function exactly like consoles complete with button indicators onscreen that exactly matched the controller you were using.

That didn't exist before. Before that you had to configure each game for the specific controller you were using, including mapping the buttons individually, and the buttons would be labeled with numbers, and each number/button position would vary between controllers/games, to say nothing of the fact that analog sticks pretty much never worked right.

Of course, there were exceptions, like when you bought a flight sim game that was designed to work with/ bundled with a flight stick, that sort of thing. I mention this because you come off as an elitist who will use the exception as the rule because you think every conversation is a contest, and I'm trying to cover all the bases here. But for the norm, a numerically labeled, inconsistent clustereff.

Now it's plug and play, and that's the difference being described here. I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make. Maybe your controllers worked consistently by chance, or because you're smarter or keener than everyone else. Who knows?

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@clockworkengine: This is a ridiculous conversation. Now 15 years ago counts as a "few"? Give me a break. The entire premise that PC gaming was such a chore until recently is laughable. Don't need to be elitist to understand that. Especially since you can't even agree what recent is...

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@gunnyninja: No one said pc gaming was a chore. We said pc controllers weren't consistent and didn't follow specific design language prior to the 360 console generation. The reason this conversation is blowing your mind is because you keep trying to redefine what's being said with unrelated statements such as "pc gaming was such a chore". Just go home man, there's nothing left to say here.

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@clockworkengine: "I couldn't get into PC gaming until the last several years because of how non-existent controller support was." Once again, how is 15 years ago the last several years? "several" is defined as more than two but not many. 15 is definitely many. I still have the original Microsoft Sidewinder controllers that predate 360 by at least 10 years. This whole argument is a fallacy. And most people use mouse and keyboard on PC's so it must be a very limited selection of games that would keep one away. Lastly only a limited selection of games did not have adequate mapping of ANY generic controller. The idea that a game had to have an image of the exact controller is ludicrous. If you can't figure out button mapping, it's not the PC, it's you...

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@gunnyninja: Once again, you're on your own tangent. You don't have to map buttons anymore. If you weren't still playing on a win 98 computer you'd understand this discussion, which you have still yet to participate in. You could at least buy a computer or an xbox 360 at a thrift store. You know, step it up a few generations.

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@clockworkengine: "You don't have to map buttons anymore" Yeah because I want someone else to choose what I use. Don't waste your energy on insults, what I own is pretty sufficient. My NAS costs more than your console. Nice try though, Ok Sparky...?

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@gunnyninja: I'm not trying to insult you. You just don't seem to understand how modern pcs work. My bad. At least educate yourself then.

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@clockworkengine: Yes you were. And you were bad at it. I build my own PC's and have for 30 years. You are making a lame attempt to make the least important thing about PC gaming relevant. Controller use for non sim games on PC is not common much less difficult. Hasn't ever been. Your petty "You could at least buy a computer or an xbox 360 at a thrift store" would be hilarious to people who know what I have in my house. Separate PC's for gaming and VR. Another PC just for auto diagnostics. 2017 5K Imac just for music and video editing in a dedicated home studio. Plus a PS4 and XB1S I don't even use. I'd be willing to bet that I've spent more on hard drives alone than you have on the entirety of whatever you game on. Leave it be and don't try to be superior to people you don't know.

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@gunnyninja: Actually, I wanted to make you prove that you were an elitist and I have just done that. This conversation was about how microsoft added controller support to their design language and you tried to make it about your superiority. For the record, you are most likely lying about your gear loadout because that's what narcissistic people do.

All that stuff you named though, if you really do have that stuff, get with me because I can help you. You do not need all those computers drawing energy and providing redundant functionality. With a little bit of modern tech understanding you could centralize the computing for all your gaming nodes such as your vr kit. Don't try to spout a bunch of tech and sound impressive, especially since having all that makes you look ignorant, like you just throw money at everything instead of learning something and having a decent tech setup. All you're doing with all that crap is costing yourself tons of money by comparison on energy use, not to mention all the space you're taking up in your home. Also, ditch the mac because it would suck even if it wasn't ancient. Not that you have any of that in the first place. If you wanna be elitist, at least know what you're talking about.

Anyway, they added xbox 360 controller libraries to windows sdks awhile back. If you want to argue that, do it to a wall.

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@clockworkengine: You sound like an idiot, you really should just stop talking. I say this because only an idiot would call a 2017 imac ancient which proves you shouldn't keep exposing yourself this way. I don't need to centralize anything because I have different rooms for each purpose. Why would I want VR in my office when there is a desk in here? And my house is over 3000 sq ft. I think I have enough space. I could pretty easily prove all of it to you. Why waste my time to make you look sillier than you do? And if I was going to lie, wouldn't I have said it was brand new? You want to call me elitist after telling me to go to a thrift store? You can't have it both ways sparky. Don't worry about my electric bill, I'm good. Elitist? I drive a ford. lol. Ok, ok, I do have a corvette in my garage that I am also lying about...what a maroon...

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@gunnyninja: I just noticed this. Outside of our goofy argument last week, centralizing a setup doesn't mean putting it all in the same room. You can keep everything where it is while centralizing using wireless or ethernet and have all the speed, performance, and functionality while keeping all your entertainment in its respective rooms for a fraction of the cost of all those systems. There is literally no downside.

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@clockworkengine: Why won't you go away? Are you lonely? I was willing to let you fade back into obscurity. I already shut you up about the thrift shop, but you really must need a friend. Should I also use my car when I go to Home Depot to pick up plywood, when I have a pickup truck? You ARE a clown. You couldn't teach me the alphabet. I don't need to explain to you why I have multiple computers. But I will. The same reason a dog licks his balls. Because he can...

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@gunnyninja: I was enjoying it too. But damn, why the hell do you need all those DAWs? You know, nevermind lol. We seem to have fundamentally different philosophies when it comes to setups. I'm into keeping it simple and thoroughly using the features of fewer programs and devices rather than using a million different things. Cubase has all the functionality of those other DAWs so it's all I need. In the end you save money, energy, time etc. I know you don't care about any of that but I do.

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@clockworkengine: I'm not jammed up. I use Cubase too. And Logic. And Pro Tools. I just decided to make you put up or shut up. I told you, I was enjoying this. I have nothing to prove, But doesn't mean I won't if I feel like it.

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@gunnyninja: Lol, I never doubted that you had that stuff. I just wanted to see how long you'd spend trying to prove it haha. Sorry, I wouldn't have trolled you if you hadn't been so insistent on arguing with me and the other guys on a point that we weren't even talking about.

As for ableton, I don't know because I use cubase.

It's funny, while you're arguing with me you're jammed up configuring ableton and while I'm arguing with you I'm jammed up configuring Android SDKs so that I can compile my software projects for android. I guess we're both rather similar people, creators who enjoy a good ugly pointless argument.

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@clockworkengine: You do know how notifications work, right? I'm actually enjoying this watching you twist yourself into knots hoping I'm waiting for you to respond. I'll get to you when I get to you. I had left you alone but you wanted this. I don't mind. I can multitask. I took some photos to shut you up. Anyone looking at them will know they are real. I don't really care beyond that. You sure aren't worth faking pics for. How exactly would that affect my life? I called you how you act. Since you SO badly want to help me, I'm setting up a new midi controller in Ableton Live. Tell me how to map the pads on a KeyLab MK II to the scenes. Oh BTW, since you think I faked it, tell me what to write and I'll take the pic right now since you think my photoshop skills are that good. Have it up in 60 seconds. No? Aww that would have been fun...

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@gunnyninja: See what I mean? You just can't help but respond, haha

What's really funny is that you think calling someone a little boy is an insult. All that really does is shows your capacity for intelligent thought. As for "you know that's not a photoshop" don't make me laugh. Is that your weak idea of proof?

Now hurry up and call me a little boy or some other weak low-brow insult again, lol.

Like I said, staring at your screen waiting for another chance to convince me. I take it back; you are pathetic haha

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@clockworkengine: Lol. You know better. You know that's not any damned photoshop, you just aren't man enough to admit when you are wrong. You have a vivid imagination. Use that knowledge you claim to have to get a life and leave me be. Never contact me again and we're good. Sad little boy.

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@gunnyninja: Look at you, staring at your screen waiting for replies. You can't stand the fact that I know that you're a liar. I'm done here. Bye bye! Let me know if you want and I'll send you some money.

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@gunnyninja: Can't fake photos with your name on them? Hahaha, yeah right.

Photoshop. I can't believe you don't think I would know that.

Find someone else to desperately convince. You're not pathetic, you're just nothing.

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@clockworkengine: Yeah, but can anyone post fake photos with YOUR name in them? lol. You are a clown. You are sad and pathetic. I believe you went. I left the page up just for you. I only wish I could see your face when you looked at the photos. You wanted to help me. that's good. Keep wanting. And if you wanted to be left alone, you should have stayed gone. I didn't reply after your last little "conundrum", but you couldn't live without me. Now you want to be left alone after being made to look like a fool. Again. Too bad.

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@gunnyninja: Yeah I didn't go to the page. Anyone can post some fake photos of other people's gear. And yeah, you need help. No amount of feigned superiority complex behavior is going to convince me. Seriously, hit that thrift store. Now please leave me alone, because I was only trying to help a poor man out. I'm still not sure why you're so desperate to lie about possessions; they're not that important.

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@clockworkengine: I didn't make a list. I told you to go to my IG page. Go see how jealous I am of you. lol. You. Help me? LMAO. Moron.

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@gunnyninja: Well that time I was actually trying to help you. Figures you'd explode into the jealous rage I'm used to from you.

And you have multiple computers because you didn't know any better. I tried to help explain it to you but the concept was so far over your head that you became angry yet again.

Actually, I nearly forgot that you don't own shit, you're just pathetically trying to make a list to pretend you do and you're so devoid of knowledge that you listed a bunch of bunk ancient computers. I thought I'd turn things around by being helpful today but apparently you can't handle that. I'll leave it alone now, you're dismissed.

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@gunnyninja: Calm down, it's not that important that people think you have things. Whether you do or don't, you are certainly desperate to send the message that you do. Seriously, hit that thrift store.

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@clockworkengine: You just won't stop will you? Again with the thrift store. I get it. Tell you what, find me on IG, I left something for you...and then, go away.

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@gunnyninja: Now, I'll permit you to have the last word if you want it. And I know you want it. But you might not after all, just to prove me wrong. Lol, conundrums.

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@gunnyninja: Like I said, let me know if you need someone to show you how to setup your home electronics without several redundant devices and excessive power consumption.

I don't care what you do or don't have, because regardless you don't know how to properly use any of it.

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@skyhighgam3r: I agree. Keyboards are pretty sucky. I only really want the mouse accuracy for 1st person type games. I think the best matchup would really be a mouse with 4-5 buttons in one hand, and something like the Wii nunchuck controller in your other hand with a stick and 3-4 buttons.

Keyboards still offer more options though with all those keys at your disposal.

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I know this is tough for the console folks but its really not revolutionary. Its got PCIe 4.0 because the processor they bought from AMD (last years model btw) supports PCIe 4.0.

Its a moderately speced 2019 gaming PC. Late 2020 early 2021 mid spec gaming PCs will significantly outpace it and the new (terribly named) xbox. Current high spec PCs from 2018-2019 already outpace both of them.

But you dont buy a console anymore because its the most powerful gaming machine because they haven't been for well over a decade and likely won't ever be again (its a simple costs issue). You buy it because you don't want to deal with a PC, cant afford a PC, all your friends play on (insert console name here) or you want a specific game that comes from a studio owned by the console maker (because almost no 3rd party studios make exclusives anymore. Why give up 70%+ of your market?!).

Hopefully sony sees the smarts in microsofts plan and keeps releasing their exclusives a year/two later on PC. They double their income from their studios and keep their exclusives arriving first on the PS system (like they are doing with zero dawn).

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@flatovercrest:

"You buy it because you don't want to deal with a PC, cant afford a PC"

My nephews want a gaming PC for Fortnite since they love using the keyboard and mouse. Dell has an Alien R8 PC for $800 and that's just the tower. Throw in a monitor and keyboard and speakers and it's close $1,000. My mom bought it for them though I plan on using it as I always wanted a gaming PC since I have hundreds of games on Steam throughout the years. I always been a console gamer though wanted to dive into PC gaming. Though couldn't imagine investing $1000 on a gaming PC. Seems too pricey compared to a console which is half the price. I hope the PC is worth it when it arrives next month.

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@flatovercrest: "You buy it because you don't want to deal with a PC" - you hit the nail on the head there. I loved being able to run everything at 60fps this generation on my PC since the X1 and PS4 couldn't manage it... but now that it won't be an issue I'm going back to consoles this year.

It's such a massive headache sometimes to play on PC. I have an extremely straight-forward frontend based setup and still... I swear to god it's always SOMETHING... usually because of Windows lol but there's always some ini to tweak, or some driver issue to deal with, or some stupid store-front issue from steam, or epic, or origin, or uplay.... makes me want to SCREAM!

Really made me miss the X360 days when I just put a game in and didn't worry about making it work right lol

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@rickjamesia: Yeah, wait until you see the price tag. Especially since they have to be Sony certified SSD's. The price is going to be huge whenever they finally come out.

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@bdrtfm: I'm fine with that, just give me a pre-packaged product and quote me a price. I hate having to research what drives will fit or are fast enough, etc etc.

Buying an HDD for the X360 was so much less hassle than for the PS3, for example.

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Exciting time to be a Sony fan getting a brand new UI, and an obviously thoroughly designed PS5 this fall, hopefully it’s quiet and reliable.

Series X can take its extra 1.7tflops and some memory bandwidth advantage over the massive storage tech advantage Sony will have out of the gate, potentially 2x the I/O throughput with PCIe 4.0. 9GB/s compressed data is insane speeds, I would expect to pay $599 potentially for the full PS5. i’m hoping it’s $499 but it has a lot of new tech in it compared to PS4/Pro launch.

I just hope microsoft studios can make some amazing games, I’d love that as a PC gamer as well, tough competition is best for us consumers. PS5 is a day one purchase IMO.

I hope Series X performs to spec too without problems, as it is also a nice piece of gaming engineering, although much more understated. If it pulls through on performance, this will be the best generation in a long time I think.

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It could always be worst…I mean, it could look like the Xbox…

I’m not a console hoarder either so I’ll have the perfect little spot to showcase this bad boy.. it deserves its own pedestal.

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@tingtong: "I’m not a console hoarder either so I’ll have the perfect little spot to showcase this bad boy.. it deserves its own pedestal."

I'm afraid you'll need a perfect BIG spot, and it actually NEEDS a pedestal to stand it up...in fact it needs two.

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@sealionact: damn man did he trigger you by saying it looks better than xbox

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@gamerforlife96: Did he? I mean, was that a question or a statement?

Doesn't look like I gave him a triggered response after he gave his opinion that it looked better than an xsx...kinda just gave him mine. Nope, a triggered response would more likely start of with the word "Damn"

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Does the unsightliness come on account of extreme powah too? I wonder. Hopefully they can manage to have a consistently responsive UI on these lil' supercomputers of theirs. Or at least consistently unresponsive, like in olden times. Anything beats inconsistent unresponsiveness, I guess. I put the whole of mine trust on Matt and the UX team. 🙏🐍

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I get that it needs better cooling but I never thought I'd see a console bigger than the phat PS3 a.k.a. the George Foreman Grill. These guys might want to think about liquid cooling after this next gen if they want to keep stuffing high heat producing components into little cases. I've seen wafer thin laptops with i9 processors that are 1/2 the size of a PS5 that manage to stay cool and quiet. Of course they cost over two grand....

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@bdrtfm: Liquid cooling would be a hell to manage. And there's no need to: you can cool any PC with a big air intake, a big air outtake and a decent heatpipe/vapor chamber system, just like the Xbox Series X.

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@gts-r288: Yes, there are cheaper and easier ways to manage heat without the need for a massive case. As I said, I've seen systems that produce far more heat in far thinner cases. Which makes me wonder why they had to make the PS5 so huge. I mean, they obviously designed it around a huge case for a reason. I guess we'll have to wait to see a tear down of it and see what they have in there. I guess they figured since you're not going to be lugging it around, they may as well go with a larger case and simpler/cheaper but bulkier cooling system. But man, that thing is huge.

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@bdrtfm: My guess is: form-factor. They wanted to retain the typical console form factor (albeit with a weird shape), so they couldn't do what Microsoft did.

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If it plays games well, has a great UI and doesn't sound like a turbine engine when running i could care less how big it is or what it looks like.

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