Microsoft Says It's Not Shutting Down Games for Windows Live

@Blk_Mage_Ctype Nobody likes GFWL? For your information I love GFWL and I love it a hell of a lot more than that Steam rubbish.

@Blk_Mage_Ctype Uh some games were going to die for sure if GFWL went down so whatever.

@funkerazmain Yep. DRM only hurts the honest consumer. Pirates will ALWAYS find a way around it.

@Heshertonfist Where's the good news?

@DragonessAthena Forgive me if I'm wrong but doesn't Dark Souls on PC require being signed into GfWL to be able to save it?

@DragonessAthena Cuz Steam is non invasive DRM that functions in a store setting that makes sense. But then they add UPlay and GFWL on top of it, for pretty much no reason other than to screw legal gamers further. Why do I have to make two accounts to play a game I bought for single player? Why do I have to register with M$? I hate that company and M$ sure as heck didn't make Batman Arkham Asylum or have anything to do with it.

@DragonessAthena Exactly. It's been that way for 11 years. Some games literally will not let you play offline because they will insist on checking for an update once offline for more than a week - like Rome TW 2.

@DragonessAthena GFWL ruined all game that I have with it. I prefer to have full control of my games (GOG for example). DRM sucks in every aspect.

@DragonessAthena GFWL is junk. And if you think otherwise, then you haven't had to use it very much. Constant login issues, disables saving if you can't sign in to their servers, frequently drops/kicks you mid game for no apparent reason, its crash prone, adds an unnecessary layer of DRM to Steam (which is DRM, yes), as well as a multitude of other technical issues too.

@xlord121

Huh? You mean you're able to change your Steam user-name? Last time I checked (a year ago), it was not possible. Same goes for the region locking. Is this a country specific thing? i mean...do they only allow users of certain countries to change their user names or share their games outside their country?

I agree that Valve is an amazing game developer and also did a lot to uplift PC gaming through Steam, when consoles were attempting to flush out PC gaming. But I lost a bit of respect for Valve when they abandoned the Half-life franchise after ending the last game on a cliff-hanger. Of course, they aren't obliged to make more Half-Life games. But I think they at least owe to provide loyal Half-Life fans with a graphic novel or something to conclude Half-Life's amazing story.

@bernard978 "So much worse than it was" Excuse me ?

-GFWL charged you to play online

-GFWL was abandoned by MS in a terrible and buggy state because people wouldn't pay a subscription.

-They left gamers and developers using GFWL in the cold

-GFWL was not launched in so many countries, making lots of games that use GFWL unplayable for people there

-GFWL caused crashes, disconnects, bugs, making peoples games not work

Comparing GFWL to Steam is like comparing Hitler to Jesus

@bernard978

I'm beginning to get really irritated with Steam now. It imposes too many restrictions like region locks and inability to change username. The interface seems really intimidating for some reason. Steam sales now are not what they used to be. And worst of all, Steam doesn't give refunds.

I don't understand why people hate Origin so much. It doesn't have any of the problems which i mentioned above, regarding Steam. I'm not an EA 'fanboy', but I gotta admit that in general, right now Origin is better than Steam in all aspects except for the games library. Don't have much experience with GWFL, although I haven't really found it to be as horrible as people make it out to be.

@bernard978 Compared to GfWL, Steam is saintly.

@bernard978 It's super intrusive. It has a terrible patching system. The saves are encrypted. Many regions can't buy games with GFWL (I know a fair bit of Europe can't). It LOVES to break randomly. I haven't had too much issue with it personally but I have friends who can't even play games with it just because it refuses to work. It's arguably the worst DRM ever made right next to Starforce.

@Too-DementeD kid you sure don't know what pc gaming is

so look around you then talk

@Soap2k11 Yet you use their Directx and operating system? unless you're one of them basement dwellers who use Linux for something other than servers.

@Soap2k11 All I want from them is age of empires IV. As do lots of people.

They can keep their Halos, Gearses and Forzas on console for all I care.