Come on Sony another charge! This should just be a update not another charge on top of Plus. Another monthly cost!! Sorry Sony this doesn't smooth over well for me at all.
hmm yet another reason why PS 4 is the machine to get. seems every day we hear something good about about PS 4 and something bad about the other machine/machines
I was expecting it to be linked to PS Plus. I think we all were! Renting old games... I was expecting more for some reason.
Very interesting! Backwards compatibility is nice. But hey, if the X1 reveals cloud computing, Sony fanboys go "meh". Now Sony announced cloud computing, they rather go "yay!". LOL
so now the dumb people finally know what cloud gaming really is? and who really has a cloud gaming infrastructure?
Could be good, but it's obviously going to depend a lot on the compression, latency, and price. Still a lot of variables for them to nail down.
This is cool but not exactly big news.
It's a shame that its not going to have much success on portable devices since its WiFi stream only.
Poor internet infrastructures are going to be the biggest obstacle for this. I mean who'll want to play a game that's potentially going to lag and buffer all the time? A good solution would be to let you download the game but put an expiration date on it just like they do with rental movies on the PlayStation Store.
But then I suppose Sony would've wasted $381 million on a streaming service.
Ach, whatever. I don't care. I probably won't make use of it anyway.
emulation question for 1337s
ok, say. i used to have a ps3 with backwards compatibility until a friend desperately asked me for me to sell it to him. i now have a ps3 slim, which actually emulates ps2/psone titles.
wasn't better to emulate the thing? i mean rental for streaming of 56gb games on 2mb/s connections?
wasn't ps4 supposed to be 10 times more powerful than ps3? so why streaming instead of emulating? if it coud be done on a difficult-to-develop system why not on a x86 architecture?
at least ps2/psone/psp/psvita could be emulated with ease i think.
id' go for a reason: it's the rental thing. they want to squeeze every penny out of your pocket.
There is much speculation about how this is going to be deployed. However, from a business pov I believe they don't want to get rid of the PS3 just yet (it would be a kick in the balls for developers). Because of this, I don't think one will be capable of downloading complete games to the PS4, only pure streaming which in my opinion sucks, it FORCES people to be connected in order to play. However there are reports that say you can either buy games individually or pay a subscription to receive a whole library among other benefits, this is actually clever although it has not been confirmed. Now, what about the games we already paid for SONY??? and I mean the digital ones (It would be awesome if we could import the disc games but it is out of the question lol) Can we play or download the digital games we own on the PS3 into the PS4 ????
Not good news for Gamestop if Sony is the only source for backward compatible content for the PS4. M$ is likely to offer the same eventually. Physical media is going the way of the dinosaur. Visit Gamestop's latest location inside the LaBrea tar pits...
So if the subscription fee is, say, $1.00 per year, Sony has at least 4.2 million + in the bag PER YEAR?
This is a great service either way because there are tons of ps1 and ps2 games that are way too expensive to warrant buying to the average gamer, Tomba! is a great example. I don't own it simply because it's so expensive, but I would be happy to play it on the rental service.
Sooo we just read the title and hit the forums to bitch and complain... I get it, that's how this works now.
This is essentially Sony's version of Onlive. For a monthly fee you'll have unlimited access to an entire library of old PS games from PS1-PS3. Sony has been looking into this for years and they purchased Gaikai whose streaming technology provided much better quality than Onlive's.
So, basically if I own a game for my PS3, I still have to buy or rent it through PS Now. So, another reason to hold on to my PS3.
Paying for games that have been out since the late 1990's ........ I support you Sony, but I need further clarification on this one......
This is a good thing. When there was only one system to be backwards compatible with (PS2 to PS1), hardware emulation was viable. With two systems (PS3 to PS2 and PS1), it got more difficult and became too expensive to keep on as a novelty item. With three systems (PS4 to PS1, 2, and 3), hardware emulation became out of the question within reasonable cost.
Solution: independent (from the user) hardware and streaming controls one way and standard video the other. That is a superb move for most games. Twitchy multiplayer games still need to be run locally, but it's a good step forward.
Hopefully services like this will cause consumers to put pressure on their ISP to provide better internet.
This doesn't, by the sound of it, cover their claim that it's a substitute for backwards compatibility. Having to rent old games you've already bought isn't good enough.
Let people play any of their already downloaded ps3 games and have it so it recognises the PS3 disk you put in and grants you access to that game streamed.
This feels like a cop-out after what they promised. I hope they fix it.
lol, but still its only letting people rent the games, people might still want to own those older games out right. Plus people may need to get new hardware fast. Or they might not want to wait to play a certain new game ( mailing process). Some people just prefer boxes, and the new game smell.
@angeloti83Not with that lag Playstation Now has. The prices is really going to be the biggest news for this.
@JORGE_JOCKER your nick confuses me. i used to be jorge_da_joker
@nayce54 on their standpoint, they rather charge 100 per year. 420 million in the bag per year.
@StarsiderSajun i have it. it's a good game, actually but i only played it a couple of days.
@IAMTYLERDURDENI'd rather avoid the monthly fee and just be able to play the dozens of PS1, PS2, and PS3 games I already own.
@kelt321 You will have access to an entire library of games with a subscription, the old games you own will be available to play but so will plenty of games you never played. A great chance to play any ps3 games you may have missed.
@Alpha_Wolf30 Some PS3 games will be available through the service as well.
@masfima1 Doesn't seem like people are understanding how this service works.
@masfima1 If they like it enough, they will pay ...
@Nev3rtimeThat is a good idea. They claim old games won't work because of new CPU architecture...but the PS4 for damn sure can identify a PS3 disc. They need to go that route, use your physical disc as a verification. Fair for Sony, not really an inconvenience at all for consumers. Let people rent or subscribe to play the game who don't own it, but let people who own it stream for free. That's fair.
@Nev3rtime it is no different that re-buying (downloading) an old game that you already own a disc of though. the whole idea behind this is, they don't need specific hardware to run and emulate the old games and makes the process easier from a technical level. a streaming service is what they promised last year so it has always been in the cards. i'm not a fan of it either, but to say it is a cop-out is untrue.
Lag what you talking about??There will only be lag when you try to stream next gen games with uber high graphics.
However theres a streaming service for PC, and thats awesome it works great and thats been out for a while although iit only does sgames thats been out for a while. So i think its safe to assume that this PS now thing wont have much lag as its only streaming old games.
Of Course if you have rubbish internet gere gonna be lag but then thats your fault .
@saint311 I'm the same way. I already own a bazillion ps1 and ps2 games, but sadly not everyone does, and a feature like this would be accessible to way more people. So despite what you feel, it is a good thing.
@saint311 It's not about what we like. It's about what Sony likes.
@IAMTYLERDURDEN So basically you will have access to games you don't wanted to play. But to play the games which you previously purchased and want to play you'll have to pay again. You'll also lose all in-game progresses.
@Nev3rtimeAnother thing I call BS on is that they claim the PS4 can't run PS3 games, but if you stream it and play it...it's running code written for the past gen CPU. I think the whole thing reeks of cop-out.
@max-hit @IAMTYLERDURDEN well it looks like there will be plenty of value here for people who didn't get to buy every single game they wanted through the past 20 years. I know there's at least 20-25 games ill be glad to try out here. worth at least a few months sub...except....there's no price yet. That's my only issue with releasing this news now. But perhaps they want to gauge fan reaction (Value) before putting a price to the product to further gain favor.
@crunchb3rry @Nev3rtime I'm calling out ignorance on this one. I just graduated with a degree in computer science, so hopefully you'll take my word for it. I read this article for background: http://www.clickonline.com/games/heres-what-happens-if-you-put-a-ps3-game-in-a-ps4/21373/
In a nutshell, recognizing the format of the disk is very different than being able to execute the code on that disk. Both PS3 and PS4 disks are on blu-ray, so the hardware of the disks is the same, but the APIs used to make the binary code are very different, and the resultant binary on the disk is totally alien except for a few standard headers here and there that identify the disk type. My guess is that the PS4 can identify the PS3 disk because of some little function in the PS4 OS that was able to read some header information on the disk's format to print out a happy message instead of say that it didn't know what you had just put in the drive. Notice that the OS did not seem to be able to identify the disk's title. It didn't even get that far.
And this streaming service is streaming video resulting from your commands, not streaming code, which is why it can run on many devices. Look here: http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/7/5284294/sony-announces-playstation-now-cloud-gaming
Thus, there will be input lag, which will be fine for many games like adventure and RPGs, especially classic JRPGs (Xenogears, anyone?), but not for twichy multiplayer games.
Does that clear things up?